[ST_Master]

Finally got my Calligraphy today and put over 100 miles on it driving home from dealer. Sat in a lot of traffic. Pretty much what you would expect from a DCT. Lightning quick shifts and throttle response. In traffic I did my best to wait for car in front to create some space so I could actually hit gas to accelerate instead of inching with the brake. In these situations it expectedly stumbles from time to time, and it can also get confused on light acceleration from a stop. But these are minor cons when compared to the many pros this transmission provides.

 

[Dickwol]

Finally got my Calligraphy today and put over 100 miles on it driving home from dealer. Sat in a lot of traffic. Pretty much what you would expect from a DCT. Lightning quick shifts and throttle response. In traffic I did my best to wait for car in front to create some space so I could actually hit gas to accelerate instead of inching with the brake. In these situations it expectedly stumbles from time to time, and it can also get confused on light acceleration from a stop. But these are minor cons when compared to the many pros this transmission provides.

Thanks for updating with your 100 mile experience. Yes, lightening fast shifts and sporty driving are highlights of a DCT but to say that "stumbling" is expected from time to time and "getting confused" on light acceleration from a stop is not a confidence booster, in my opinion. I fully understand the inherent nature of a DCT but inconsistent confusion on take off, I struggle with a bit. Consistent DCT type behavior starting from a stop I can understand. I really do want the extra power from the turbo so I think when I get ready to buy I will absolutely test drive the **** out of it under different driving conditions so I experience and understand first hand how it behaves. Hyundai is no stranger to DCT's and although they never had a fiasco like Ford did with it's DCT it did have enough issues with it's dry clutch DCT to warrant class action payouts and yes hopefully Hyundai has learned from its mistakes when they designed the wet clutch version.

DCT Settlement

Got a proposed class action settlement letter today. There are about 5 different options you can choose. I still have the car and didn't have any out of pocket expenses so picked the option for multiple visit reimbursement. Found 5 receipts for transmission related visits ranging from 2016 to...

www.hyundai-forums.com

I did enjoy the Aussie torture test review in the following and he raises many positive points, especially with regard to overheating:

 

[av1191]

Thanks for updating with your 100 mile experience. Yes, lightening fast shifts and sporty driving are highlights of a DCT but to say that that "stumbling" is expected from time to time and "getting confused" on light acceleration from a stop is not a confidence booster, in my opinion. I fully understand the inherent nature of a DCT but inconsistent confusion on take off, I struggle with a bit. Consistent DCT type behavior starting from a stop I can understand. I really do want the extra power from the turbo so I think when I get ready to buy I will absolutely test drive the **** out of it under different driving conditions so I experience and understand first hand how it behaves. Hyundai is no stranger to DCT's and although they never had a fiasco like Ford did with it's DCT it did have enough issues with it's dry clutch DCT to warrant class action payouts and yes hopefully Hyundai has learned from its mistakes when they designed the wet clutch version.

DCT Settlement

Got a proposed class action settlement letter today. There are about 5 different options you can choose. I still have the car and didn't have any out of pocket expenses so picked the option for multiple visit reimbursement. Found 5 receipts for transmission related visits ranging from 2016 to...

www.hyundai-forums.com

I did enjoy the Aussie torture test review in the following and he raises many positive points, especially with regard to overheating:

I love the 2.5 LT power train , you have to test it in both mode , Confort and Sport , because there is really a big difference in the behaviour of the power train.

 

[4wheelpilot]

Please go into the pros snd cons of each mode from your experience. Thanks

 

[ST_Master]

Thanks for updating with your 100 mile experience. Yes, lightening fast shifts and sporty driving are highlights of a DCT but to say that "stumbling" is expected from time to time and "getting confused" on light acceleration from a stop is not a confidence booster, in my opinion. I fully understand the inherent nature of a DCT but inconsistent confusion on take off, I struggle with a bit. Consistent DCT type behavior starting from a stop I can understand. I really do want the extra power from the turbo so I think when I get ready to buy I will absolutely test drive the **** out of it under different driving conditions so I experience and understand first hand how it behaves. Hyundai is no stranger to DCT's and although they never had a fiasco like Ford did with it's DCT it did have enough issues with it's dry clutch DCT to warrant class action payouts and yes hopefully Hyundai has learned from its mistakes when they designed the wet clutch version.

DCT Settlement

Got a proposed class action settlement letter today. There are about 5 different options you can choose. I still have the car and didn't have any out of pocket expenses so picked the option for multiple visit reimbursement. Found 5 receipts for transmission related visits ranging from 2016 to...

www.hyundai-forums.com

I did enjoy the Aussie torture test review in the following and he raises many positive points, especially with regard to overheating:

Cool, take a 1000 mile test drive to make sure its absolutely perfect. LOL, slipping from a DCT on light acceleration from a stop and while sitting in traffic is common. Not sure why you had to be so aggressive in your response. In my opinion it's to be expected with this transmission. If you dont like it then dont buy it!

 

[Dickwol]

Cool, take a 1000 mile test drive to make sure its absolutely perfect. LOL, slipping from a DCT on light acceleration from a stop and while sitting in traffic is common. Not sure why you had to be so aggressive in your response. In my opinion it's to be expected with this transmission. If you dont like it then dont buy it!

No worries and no aggressive intents! When one uses terms such as "getting confused" and "stumbling", by definition you are implying possible mechanical issues or otherwise. Yes, you can believe I will do as much test driving as I can. You wouldn't believe how many people come to these forums after buying a new vehicle and start complaining about how uncomfortable the seating position is, how under powered the vehicle seems and on and on. If only they took the time to properly test drive, they may have saved themselves some grief.
Congrats on your new Caligraphy!

 

[ChuckH0308]

The only time I've really noticed much that would resemble stumbling or clumsiness, or anything of that sort is if the autostart is starting the engine when I push the gas. I have adjusted now so that I let up on the brake and let the engine finish starting before I press the accelerator, and then it takes off fine for me. I would think it wouldn't be much different with the automatic, in that sense.

 

[HokieMatt]

Does anyone have a good source for the actual gear and final drive ratios for the 2021 Santa Fe DCT? My understanding is that all of the DCT's use 2 final drive ratios, but I can't find anything definitive that makes any sense.

 

[av1191]

Does anyone have a good source for the actual gear and final drive ratios for the 2021 Santa Fe DCT? My understanding is that all of the DCT's use 2 final drive ratios, but I can't find anything definitive that makes any sense.

2.5 LT AWD

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[av1191]

Reference to the precedent post

 

[HokieMatt]

Thank you for that. Unfortunately it still doesn't tell the whole story - I'm assuming 3.316 is the final drive ratio used for some combination of gears including 8th, but there has to be a 2nd final drive ratio for that list of gear ratios to make sense - 2nd and 3rd are obviously not identical, and 7th is not an overall higher numerical ratio than 6th. Just running all the numbers and using Hyundai Transys' claim of a 767% gear spread, I conclude that gears 1,2,5,and 6 use a final drive of 4.843 while 3,4,7, and 8 use the advertised 3.316. This produces relatively even steps from 1-8 as well as the aforementioned 767% spread. Do we have any other engineering geeks in here who can either confirm that conclusion, or tell me where I made a mistake?

Can I ask where that came from? I'm pretty sure that information is not in the USA English version of the owner's manual.

 

[Bob999]

Thank you for that. Unfortunately it still doesn't tell the whole story - I'm assuming 3.316 is the final drive ratio used for some combination of gears including 8th, but there has to be a 2nd final drive ratio for that list of gear ratios to make sense - 2nd and 3rd are obviously not identical, and 7th is not an overall higher numerical ratio than 6th. Just running all the numbers and using Hyundai Transys' claim of a 767% gear spread, I conclude that gears 1,2,5,and 6 use a final drive of 4.843 while 3,4,7, and 8 use the advertised 3.316. This produces relatively even steps from 1-8 as well as the aforementioned 767% spread. Do we have any other engineering geeks in here who can either confirm that conclusion, or tell me where I made a mistake?

Can I ask where that came from? I'm pretty sure that information is not in the USA English version of the owner's manual.

Here is a possible source and slightly different set of data. List of Hyundai transmissions - Wikipedia Search for D8LF1/D8F48W on the page.

 

[tobidog]

We bought a 2018 Kona 1.6 L turbo with the 7 speed DCT only 2 months after their debut. Every single magazine review complained about the DCT. I loved it, and I still love it after 12,000 miles. The best transmission I've ever experienced. 22 years as Honda Master tech, plus 2 years in Germany working for a car dealer. I drove thousands of cars all different makes and models in my long life, and the turbo Kona is my favorite next to the VW GTI with their DSG.
The only difference is that getting out from the garage to the street on a very steep driveway our 2015 Santa Fe with the six speed auto goes out on idle speed, but with the Kona I must feather the gas pedal a bit. On level ground the Kona would creep forward without gas like the Santa Fe.
In heavy traffic I switch to manual, 1st gear, forward with slight gas, stop, neutral, then rinse and repeat.
My wife is 76 and she couldn't learn to drive a conventional manual car to save her own life ( don't ask me how I know that) but she drives our Kona like anything else we had before.

 

[Well foot]

I moved to a limited after my Q5 was totalled by a runaway trailer. The limited is comfortable and has an upscale interior, but Hyundai is lagging behind in refinement in both the drivability and powertrain. My limited is very light in the steering on the highway and requires a lot more driver input than the Q5 (it was actually out of alignment from the factory, and an alignment helped a little.) The transmission is very unrefined and nowhere as good as the Audi. The turbo, while powerful, is also unrefined in its ability. I had a check engine light because of a problem with the turbo at 2,000 mi. Like to never have gotten the parts to fix it. You cannot find a trailer hitch for the current model year...one of the reasons I bought it was for trips. And one of the biggest gripes is the driver side headlight. There is a blind spot in it. The dealer was unaware so I filed a complaint with Hyundai. It turns out they are aware of it but say it's "normal." Try driving on extremely dark roads in a rural area and you'll think normal. I also filed a complaint about the DCT transmission shudder from first to second gear on hard acceleration. Maybe they will come out with some software updates to correct the transmission roughness. Some days it's fairly smooth and I like it okay, on other days it doesn't shift well according to throttle input and is not smooth. I'm glad Motortrend noted those things in their review. I just wished I had paid attention to them before purchasing. I was waiting for the hybrid but became impatient.

 

[4wheelpilot]

I moved to a limited after my Q5 was totalled by a runaway trailer. The limited is comfortable and has an upscale interior, but Hyundai is lagging behind in refinement in both the drivability and powertrain. My limited is very light in the steering on the highway and requires a lot more driver input than the Q5 (it was actually out of alignment from the factory, and an alignment helped a little.) The transmission is very unrefined and nowhere as good as the Audi. The turbo, while powerful, is also unrefined in its ability. I had a check engine light because of a problem with the turbo at 2,000 mi. Like to never have gotten the parts to fix it. You cannot find a trailer hitch for the current model year...one of the reasons I bought it was for trips. And one of the biggest gripes is the driver side headlight. There is a blind spot in it. The dealer was unaware so I filed a complaint with Hyundai. It turns out they are aware of it but say it's "normal." Try driving on extremely dark roads in a rural area and you'll think normal. I also filed a complaint about the DCT transmission shudder from first to second gear on hard acceleration. Maybe they will come out with some software updates to correct the transmission roughness. Some days it's fairly smooth and I like it okay, on other days it doesn't shift well according to throttle input and is not smooth. I'm glad Motortrend noted those things in their review. I just wished I had paid attention to them before purchasing. I was waiting for the hybrid but became impatient.

I’ve owned/leased etc a lot of cars over the years. Had a 2014 Audi S4, just came out of a Stinger GT1 lease and considered a pre owned Audi SQ5. I really liked the SQ5 but didn’t want the extra expense if either an extended warranty or out of pocket repairs. Decided on the SF Calligraphy (only 300 miles so far) because of value, utility, features, solid performance and the long warranty. It’s not quite apples to apples and the SQ5 had superior technology in several areas but the original sticker on the SQ5 was $69k! I decided that the SF Calligraphy will be my apple for many years to come. Thanks for being experienced enough to get on Hyundai to step it up and hopefully benefit the rest of us.

 

[FishRamLion]

I moved to a limited after my Q5 was totalled by a runaway trailer. The limited is comfortable and has an upscale interior, but Hyundai is lagging behind in refinement in both the drivability and powertrain. My limited is very light in the steering on the highway and requires a lot more driver input than the Q5 (it was actually out of alignment from the factory, and an alignment helped a little.) The transmission is very unrefined and nowhere as good as the Audi. The turbo, while powerful, is also unrefined in its ability. I had a check engine light because of a problem with the turbo at 2,000 mi. Like to never have gotten the parts to fix it. You cannot find a trailer hitch for the current model year...one of the reasons I bought it was for trips. And one of the biggest gripes is the driver side headlight. There is a blind spot in it. The dealer was unaware so I filed a complaint with Hyundai. It turns out they are aware of it but say it's "normal." Try driving on extremely dark roads in a rural area and you'll think normal. I also filed a complaint about the DCT transmission shudder from first to second gear on hard acceleration. Maybe they will come out with some software updates to correct the transmission roughness. Some days it's fairly smooth and I like it okay, on other days it doesn't shift well according to throttle input and is not smooth. I'm glad Motortrend noted those things in their review. I just wished I had paid attention to them before purchasing. I was waiting for the hybrid but became impatient.

I would have to agree with Hyundai's driveability. I think they aren't as good as other Manufacturers in knowing how to put power to the ground. Their numbers look good on paper, but almost always seem to perform a hair slower...

That being said, A Santa Fe compared to a Q5 isn't really Apples to Apples....Q5 is luxury so I would expect to be more refined.....Genesis GV80 is more in line with the Q5. They use the standard 8sp auto in the Genesis.

 

[ST_Master]

I would have to agree with Hyundai's driveability. I think they aren't as good as other Manufacturers in knowing how to put power to the ground.

Maybe it's just me, but a 0-60 time of 6 seconds is pretty good for a 4,000 pound SUV. And that's not just on paper. I've had my Calligraphy for 3 weeks and can confirm it is that fast.

 

[FishRamLion]

Maybe it's just me, but a 0-60 time of 6 seconds is pretty good for a 4,000 pound SUV. And that's not just on paper. I've had my Calligraphy for 3 weeks and can confirm it is that fast.

I don't think anyone is saying that it's not quick...It is....just that other manufacturers do a little bit better at power delivery and putting power to the ground.

 

[ST_Master]

I don't think anyone is saying that it's not quick...It is....just that other manufacturers do a little bit better at power delivery and putting power to the ground.

If the DCT wasn't good at putting power down it wouldn't be that fast. That's the point.... 42HP and 51LB FT of torque increases over 2020. 0-60 time decreased by 1.6 seconds.Those are decent increases but no way do those numbers alone contribute to a huge decrease like that. The DCT puts the power down.

 

[FishRamLion]

If the DCT wasn't good at putting power down it wouldn't be that fast. That's the point.... 42HP and 51LB FT of torque increases over 2020. 0-60 time decreased by 1.6 seconds.Those are decent increases but no way do those numbers alone contribute to a huge decrease like that. The DCT puts the power down.

Well when you compare it to other manufacturers that use DCTs, turbo 4s...it's slower...The Audi Q5 for example with a smaller engine (less HP and torque), is quicker. The Alfa Stelvio also with a 2.0T and and conventional 8sp is quicker....Of course these are performance oriented luxury cars, but they do more with less....

Hyundai just has a little more to learn when it comes to powertrain and driveline optimization.