Well, if someone posts on the internet it must be true. All you need to do is to find the subject matter you are interested in. I am assuming this forum has a search option. You can also use Google and plug in your problem and it will probably direct you back here.

As to the substance of your question, that is how Hyundai chooses to package the options. There is no sinister motive involved. Every automaker does this. My own personal opinion on all cars is to just bite the bullet and get the vehicle fully decked out. To try to retrofit is a fantasy and beyond the ability of virtually everyone.

 

I agree that some members tend to get off topic or offer opinions instead of answers. But that being said, there are many members that are very knowledgeable and offer great ideas and insight.

This forum is public and just like any other public place, there is the potential that you will encounter some people that are useless and not worth your time.

You can choose to ignore them, or let them bother you...I generally choose the latter.

 

Well, you asked for It...

But seriously, I understand where you're coming from. When someone asks a question or starts a topic in which they're specifically trying to start a discussion regarding a topic, I'd expect and be OK with a little OT and some opinions finding their way in.

However if a post is looking for an answer to a problem, then it's kind of a bad move to then opine as to whether the OP made a smart move in doing what they wanted in the first place.

 

1 - Hyundai is not alone with "option packages". They all do it now. I'm 50 years old. I remember when there were no option packages. You want a sunroof? Cruise control ? Tilt wheel ? They were all individually listed and priced. Now, you want heated seats? Ok, well you have to get the "$5000 Luxury Package" which is leather, heated seats, sunroof and titanium muffler bearings. They all do it for their own ease of production and don't care what we really want in a car.

2 - Yes it is the internet so we are ALL engineers and all knowing lol. I am no engineer but I've been a car guy since my teens, worked as a mechanic - held 5 of the 8 ASE certifications at one time, been both a service advisor and service manager. Even with all that, I too have been "called out" by the internet engineers. In 2003 when I got my Passat W8 6 speed, the factory claimed it had special wiz bang break-in oil (actually had a greenish tinge to it wiping the dip stick with a paper towel) and DO NOT change the oil until 5000 miles then every 10,000 thereafter. Well I listened to that with my 2001 V6 GLX and it burned a quart between changes. I decided to resume maintaining my cars MY way. I checked the oil on delivery and it was fine. I checked it again at 600 miles and it was a quart low (9 quart capacity). I topped it off with Mobil 1 5W40 and checked it again at 1200 miles. All was well. I changed the oil at 1300 miles. I posted that on the forum and all the internet engineers berated me. "You ruined your engine" "You voided your warranty" "Stupid"... On and on.. At the advice of one of the moderators who is a chemical engineer, I sent that "special" oil to A/V Lubes for analysis. By the time I got it back, the thread was nearly three pages of "opinions". Once I posted the PDF of the analysis it all changed. "Copper level high. Nickel level high. Oxidation high. RECOMMENDATION: Change if not already changed and check at normal intervals". As I stated when I changed the oil on the Sonata at 900 miles, that's where all your "break-in" filings are going to be floating around the engine. I'm not leaving it there for 5-7000 miles. Get it out ASAP. I had that car for 80,000 miles and didn't have any of the common clogged chain tensioner issues that most others had long before that. Opinion? fact? Was I wrong and everyone else right ? Who knows... Now take a deep breath

 

1 - Hyundai is not alone with "option packages". They all do it now. I'm 50 years old. I remember when there were no option packages. You want a sunroof? Cruise control ? Tilt wheel ? They were all individually listed and priced. Now, you want heated seats? Ok, well you have to get the "$5000 Luxury Package" which is leather, heated seats, sunroof and titanium muffler bearings. They all do it for their own ease of production and don't care what we really want in a car.

Hee hee...I was busy typing my 80 page dissertation while you were offering this up.

 

So, why do you bother to log on?

 

What mean, "Get off topic" Kemosabe...?

I know I tend to go off on a tangent at times...just the way I am I guess.

As far as picking a package to get what you want, that's the way the world is now. It all started with the Japanese and the increase in European imports in the 70's and 80's. The logistics in building a custom and sending it to the rightplace somewhere in the world is a nightmare for a foreign manufacturer, so they offered "packages". There were only a few packages available in the early days, because there were not so many options. Then there was, and still is, Port Installed Option (PIO) or Dealer Installed Option (DIO). But since some things are tied together if you want just (A) then you have to get (B) and (C) as well, both in terms of functionality and because since we're in there already...

Also, most of the time those who want (A) usually order ( B ) and (C) anyway.

THEN,,,Detroit said, "what a way to save/MAKE money!" and started doing packages as well, even though for domestic delivery it's much easier. But, the way they see it, you want (A) and that's X dollars, ( B ) is XX dollars, an (C) is the JACKPOT!!!

That's the way the automotive industry is now.

One thing I have noticed about this forum in particular is we all like to brag about our cars, and a lot of us like to mod our cars. Me, personally, I have no need for LED logo cupholder LEDs. In fact, I spill so much crap in the cupholders I'd probably short out the electrical system and be rendered with an unrepairable car.

As far as hard knowledge, there are a few people who know how to do things, and can supply tech materials when needed.

My favourite tech question is becoming "Will you be paying by cash or credit?" I'm getting tired of working on cars. Depending. I will do the HG on my Supra because they want stupid money for a 4 hour procedure. So it takes me 12. Big deal.

So, in answer to your question, Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus.


Oops...wrong publication...

 

What mean, "Get off topic" Kemosabe...?

I know I tend to go off on a tangent at times...just the way I am I guess.

So, in answer to your question, Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus.

Oops...wrong publication...

Hate to say this, but us "off-topic" folk are the ones here all hours of the day or night to help someone out while many don't know jack-$hit about how a car works or what a coin-holder is, or wants to put a 3 ton hydraulic jack underneath an aluminum tranny to support the entire car, or even how to change a tire correctly. So, IMHO, if ANYONE needs help, we're here to do just that - HELP. There's just a tad bit of foolishness that goes with it. >

 

PS: Muffler Bearing...

 

Number 1 favorite question asked as a service advisor: DOESN'T MY LEASE COVER THAT ?!?!?! :laugh:

 

You all seem to have missed my point - What I was trying to say was why do you some people complain about options that are in a package when you purchased the package to get what you wanted. Example, of a post that a guy does not like the cool seats. If you wanted the SCC then why complain about the cool seats?

 

indeed. That's why I mentioned PACKAGES. You CAN'T get one without the other. It's the way the industry is. and some people do have legitimate gripes with some aspects of the car driving itself, but that option couldn't be deleted because it's part of a package.

It SUCKS, but that's the way it is. I don't like having certain things installed in my cars by default, but if you want (A) you have to take ( B ) whether you want it or not.

I used to just disable stuff I didn't like, but now with the CANBUS controlling everything that's a bit harder.

 

Still yet to find the Back Seat Driver option on any car. LOL

 

They come hardwired as "standard equipment" if you're married. It's the "MOTHER-IN-LAW" option....connects straight into the CANBUS. :surprise:

 

Also, make posts with personal opinions set forth as fact.

So you make a post with your personal opinion to complain about other personal opinions? :grin2::surprise: Didn't you just do what you don't like?

Pot, meet kettle.

 

What is my personal opinion?

Nope what I mean by personal opinions are posts that say you will not have a problem using after market oil filters. Or because you have driven a car for 30 years you know all about when to change oil and how to maintain a 2015 auto. Or buy the cheapest air filter because they are all the same. Or dealers are honest. How about posters who continue to post pictures. Why?

I could go on and on.

 

I'll be the first to admit that I'm here just for the gas gauge threads >

 

 

I sometimes wonder about people who join forums and then wonder about the usefulness of the forum by posting on the forum and I then wonder about the usefulness of their post about the usefulness of the forum.

Sometimes...

but not often.

 

Don't ask me how I ran across this...

 

come on ladies, lets play nice. It's Friday, and the weather is amazing here in NYC. Let's leave the sandy vaginas on the beach.

Edit: Not sure what the weather in NYC has anything to do with this lol.

 

Where are you that it's nice? I just walked from Penn Station to 54th & Madison, overcast skies and lovely smells.

 

Does anyone else think this forum is turning into FACEBOOK??

More about slapping each other on the back than about the car.

How about a Moderator weighing in. Maybe one could PM me.

 

Does anyone else think this forum is turning into FACEBOOK??

More about slapping each other on the back than about the car.

How about a Moderator weighing in. Maybe one could PM me.

This thread isn't particularly about the car either so, if you're trying to get something out of this thread other than everyone being random/chatting it up, then it wasn't communicated properly in your original post.

They come hardwired as "standard equipment" if you're married. It's the "MOTHER-IN-LAW" option....connects straight into the CANBUS. :surprise:

Well... It looks like our family car is going to have 3x this feature... Lol!

 

I'm having a BBQ on Sunday

 

Are we invited? I'm assuming Snow_Left won't be on the guest list.

 

Its pretty god damned useless, just like the admins.

 

Egads...he's crazier than I am...

Finally...someone to admire!:wub:

BTW, was there supposed to be sound with the video clip?

I didn't think of the flashers. Now I gotta take a new pic.

 

Ah yes, I got caught up looking up wedding cake decorations that I forgot to mention, at the top left of the video clip, there's a sound icon, click it and the sound will play

Yes! I'm finally loved!

Now, I'm gonna spend the day having a photo shoot with my gauge cluster

"Alright, show me some hip, yeah yeah shake it shake it now show me that trip meter yeah now flaunt that flaunt that gas gauge perfect oh yeah, I like what you did with the temp gauge, do that again now flash those turn signals!"

My next post is going to be all pictures of my gauge cluster in every position possible

 

Not sure the exact point of this thread, so I'll post some of my impressions and pet peeves with forums in general ...

Number one pet peeve for me is posting dangerous or inaccurate information - not this forum, but ... Shop flush or flush myself with a solution? - Toyota Nation Forum : Toyota Car and Truck Forums - The posts saying "You know, ethylene glycol can't be toxic b/c glucose is sugar and it's non-toxic and glycerin is non-toxic, so why would antifreeze be toxic."

We get off-track fairly often on here, but most of the time when someones asks a question, we tend to answer it.

than the YF/i45 Sonata and bad mouth options that are part of the choice made as to packages they purchased.

Not sure where you are going here - if the guy didn't care about the cooled seats, but they aren't working, that is a valid thing to ask about. If he's just pissed that he had to pay for cooled seats to get something else he wanted, that's fairly obvious, but okay to post too.

I watched that thread sit for days while more than 130+ people read it but no one dared reply, so I took the plunge to try to help. The minute I did, all of a sudden people were coming out of the woodwork with "ideas." How convenient. The funny thing is, the OP never bothered to even answer my question about what he/she used on the seats, so it was as if it was a complete waste of my time, but I continue to do it because of my passion for cars and for helping others with the knowledge I have accumulated over the past 35+ years.

I agree it's frustrating when the OP never replies back. As far as the 130+ people. I get that. Often, I'll read a thread and have some possible ideas, but I'm not sure, but I don't want to reply with "Heck if I know" so I wait, but when someone else comments, it makes me think of other possible solutions.

Nope what I mean by personal opinions are posts that say you will not have a problem using after market oil filters. Or because you have driven a car for 30 years you know all about when to change oil and how to maintain a 2015 auto. Or buy the cheapest air filter because they are all the same. Or dealers are honest.

Along with not posting inaccurate opinions, I try to clearly say whether I am posting facts, suppositions, or opinions - example:

Hyundai filters are 90% effective at 50 microns - I didn't look that up, but if I got it from an accurate source, that is a fact.

When my alternator died, the car did exactly the same thing your car is doing - you should have someone check the alternator. That is a supposition, but a pretty good one.

I've never been crazy about K&N Air Filters - that's basically an opinion, but it could be helpful.

And some things should be qualified. You will have no problem running aftermaket oil filters might be inaccurate. I've run aftermarket oil filters on my 2002 Focus for 60K miles is accurate, but doesn't mean your LF Sonata will be fine with them. Now if I say "I have an LF Sonata with 150K miles on it and I've used Fram XG, Fram TG, Purolator Basic, Purolator Pure One, Supertech, Microgard, and Wix filters with it with no issues, but I haven't tried Mann, but the filters above will probably work fine with your car with the same engine." It's still and opinion and it could be wrong, but it is a lot less likely to be wrong than the other comments.

 

Not sure the exact point of this thread, so I'll post some of my impressions and pet peeves with forums in general ...

Thanks for you post. Your pet peeves are the same as mine and what I was trying to say when I started this forum. I have to admit you did a much better job of explaining.

Over half of the posts in this forum have nothing to do with our Sonata's. It seems to me this forum has been taken over by a bunch of people that just want to fill the pages with useless posts. Pictures and personal conversations that have nothing do with asking questions or giving answers.

It just seems to me that if you want to converse about where you live in New York or have a bunch of old pictures you want to show off I would like to suggest you do it on FaceBook.

 

And not one single solidary time was made mention of singing "Kumbaya" by the campfire. That's it. I'm out. Go marinate your clusters in the baked beans.

 

I really have no issues with this forum.

And actually, I have no problems with conversing on where you live in New York, but it probably should be in the water cooler forum and titled "Here's my NY apartment" so those that don't care can avoid it.

It isn't cool to go to someones thread where they are trying to replace their water pump and say "Look at the new dining room table I just bought.", but I rarely see that happening. I do see the OP in the water pump thread saying - "Hey, what part of NY are you in?" and then the thread goes off-track, but to me that is different ...

 

If I had to guess, I think he is joking and pledge might eat plastic and windex is fine, but I don't know.

 

Of course, it could be viewed this way: Taking a thread and turning it into a Free-For-All IS a legitmate complaint, but when the original thread was a btchfest about another member btching about a complaint in the first place then the whole thing is invalid.

Let's go have a drink.

 

If you were to read my posts I never once complained about having to buy a package to get the options I wanted. My comment was - don't complain about having to buy a package to get a wanted option. I have posted many answers to questions and ask and got responses many times. Maybe if you checked my posts before you make responses like you did you would get the correct information.

This coming from someone who says he does not own a Sonata and if you read the rules on the opening page does not belong in this forum. For some reason, you must feel like this forum belongs to you and I give a crap what you have to say and want to see you pictures.

Seems like you have way too much time on your hands if you can spend so much time on a forum for a car that you do not have. My suggestion you move over to FaceBook and see if you can find someone interested in what you have to say or pictures you have!

You might be old but you are not COOL!

 

If you were to read my posts I never once complained about having to buy a package to get the options I wanted. My comment was - don't complain about having to buy a package to get a wanted option. I have posted many answers to questions and ask and got responses many times. Maybe if you checked my posts before you make responses like you did you would get the correct information.

This coming from someone who says he does not own a Sonata and if you read the rules on the opening page does not belong in this forum. For some reason, you must feel like this forum belongs to you and I give a crap what you have to say and want to see you pictures.

Seems like you have way too much time on your hands if you can spend so much time on a forum for a car that you do not have. My suggestion you move over to FaceBook and see if you can find someone interested in what you have to say or pictures you have!

You might be old but you are not COOL!

I'll try to be polite here. Why the heck SHOULDN'T someone complain about being forced to buy $3,000 worth of options to get the ONE option he wanted, and then, to top it off, one of the options he DIDN'T want turned into an Albatross???

I'd be plenty pifsed off! and if he wants to vent his spleen about it, SO WHAT???

I don't know what your particular formula for the forum is, but I come here to talk about cars, get useful information, and yeah, crack a joke or two. With that out of the way, what difference does it make which model I own? Right now I have 5 cars from 1986 to 2009, and a couple of them would leave your Sonata crying like a little girl if we ran for pinks. Stock! A car is 4 tires, and engine, a transmission, and a body stuffed with a varying degree of standard and optional equipment. Doesn't matter if it's a Sonata or a Skyline, the basic underpinnings are all the same.

And in my case, right off the bat I took exception at your starting a thread about another member complaining about having to spend XXX dollars to get one option. I view it as a legitimate complaint, as I have had to settle for a lower standard of optional equipment to afford a car I really wanted. If I had paid the extra ducats, and THEN had something blow up or not operate as intended, you BET I'd be miffed!

 

Owning a Hyundai product, or having owned one should be good enough IMO.

Maybe he has friends or family with a Sonata and has worked on them; which is my category more or less.

Sometimes people just lurk in forums to scope out what they are going to buy next; educate themselves and practice their kvetching.

 

Well, I have a hard time understanding what a 2006 and 2007 Hyundai has to do with a 2015 or 2016 Hyundai I'm sure many more differences than likeness. If people want to lurk I have no problem with that. My problem is when they post opinions and answers to questions that have not been proven correct.

Another unsubstantiated opinion even thought you did say IMO. Would in not be better if we only had Sonata owners if this forum? I personally have 58 years of maintaining my cars and I am sure there are other owners with more. Do we really want a Toyota owner telling us how his Scion works? What does this possibly matter to us?

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