[1209122]

The NEW API SP / ILSAC GF6A, is a game changer if the 7 news tests results suggest,

Previous oils have lost 9.5%-12.6% in ASTM Volitility test % loss 1 hr @ 250C. In a 5 qt engine that’s 1/2 qt in 1 hr at 250C. (Source PQIA Tested Oil Data), much higher Zinc caused O2 sensor shorting and Cat getting fouled. These lead to LSPI - Low Speed Pre-Ignition (detonation).

Yawn...

 

[Oleg S.]

The dealership that maintained her car also have several other vehicles over 300K-700K.

The freeway speed is 70mph. 1million / (5yrs x 300 days) = 666 miles/day. 10-11 hours per 24 hours. Hot Shot drivers drive at night and sleep during rush hours. Assume 2-3 hours to drive home and 2-3 hours for breaks. Very possible to get those miles. Just look at interstate truck drivers, They get 750K - 1 million miles in 5 yrs all the time. She’s not an urban driver.

My neighbor has 300K miles in 2015 Sonata and 200K miles on 2017 on engine recalls. He only put 50K-60K per year.

Other cars (maintained by dealership, owned by your neighbor, you, me, etc.) have nothing to do with this lady and her car.

She delivers auto parts - this was mentioned in one of these videos. How can it be "not an urban driver"? "Drive at night and sleep during rush hours" - most body shops and dealership service departments open during the day. Well, may be things are different in Australia...

Interstate truck drivers are a good example. I know some of those who made 200 K miles (and ever a little more to be honest) in one year. They practically live in the truck all year around. Most of their driving (you absolutely right) is interstate and service intervals on big trucks are much longer than service interval for Elantra. And - most important - EVERYONE of them has a partner, so we talking about two drivers there, not one...

Both - she and dealership - do not provide any details other than this magic number "1 million miles in 5 years". No doubt it is an excellent advertisement for Hyundai, but...

 

[skippy2235]

1 million Kilometers is very possible. vs 1 million miles.

 

[RAYMUND155]

1 million Kilometers is very possible. vs 1 million miles.

The lady drove 1 million miles in a 2013-14 Elantra. 1,609,344 Kilometers on original engine and transmission.

 

[RAYMUND155]

Other cars (maintained by dealership, owned by your neighbor, you, me, etc.) have nothing to do with this lady and her car.

She delivers auto parts - this was mentioned in one of these videos. How can it be "not an urban driver"? "Drive at night and sleep during rush hours" - most body shops and dealership service departments open during the day. Well, may be things are different in Australia...

Interstate truck drivers are a good example. I know some of those who made 200 K miles (and ever a little more to be honest) in one year. They practically live in the truck all year around. Most of their driving (you absolutely right) is interstate and service intervals on big trucks are much longer than service interval for Elantra. And - most important - EVERYONE of them has a partner, so we talking about two drivers there, not one...

Both - she and dealership - do not provide any details other than this magic number "1 million miles in 5 years". No doubt it is an excellent advertisement for Hyundai, but...

It has every thing to do with my neighbors cars and my cars. The news networks that carried the story reviewed her maintenance and outlined the services performed. The engine and transmission are original from the factory.

They stated the car’s maintenance, recorded on CARFAX because the maintenance was done by Hyundai Dealership service.

Oil changes every two weeks at est. 7,000 miles.
Tires est. 60K miles
Brakes and flushes est. 100K miles
Water pumps Alternator est. 2 yrs, 200K miles
Automatic Transmission flushes every 6 months, 50K-60K miles
Acc. Belts , est annual,100K miles
Air Conditioner pump needed replacement 3 yrs, 300K miles
Radiator Flush, est. annual, 100K miles
CarFax only listed the Tune-up, est annual (assume spark-plugs)

The car was purchased by a Chevy Dealer, who used it as advertisement and verified the service maintenance (CarFax) and original engine transmission claim. This is also on YouTube.

Remove spark plugs, used a borescope, and found the original factory marking on standard size piston top. The engine was never opened.

 

[MR1Kingsbury]

I have faith and trust in Elantra as much, in fact more the the rest, but 200,000 miles per year is not believable. Sorry, if the story on the internet says its true but I do not believe.... Every service interval would have to be like a race car pit stop, getting the work done in minutes instead of days that is normal for dealerships..... Then to drive 600+ miles a day for 300 days a year by one person is not only illegal in US and AU but is downright not conceivable. OK, so the speed limit is 70mph... Average speed cannot be more than 60, assuming 1) stops for fuel every 5 hours, stops for traffic control, slows for traffic, tire failure. stop for an oil change twice a month, stops for rehydration, or dehydration.. I am not convinced... Not in 5 years... Maybe 5 years and 360 days. or maybe 2 or 3 full time drivers to swap out every tankful. But not 4500 miles/week, every week, every month, for 60 months. I would need more evidence....

 

[Oleg S.]

Come on, mr. MR1Kingsbury. We should not be so selfish and must respect other opinions, even if they are illogical and implausible.

Mister RAYMUND155 (with his neighbor’s cars) already put shame on us.

Yes, 600 mile per day is a lot. Yes, 4500 miles per week sounds crazy. Yes, most bodyshop’s and dealer service departments work from 8 am to 5 pm (well, some of them from 9 to 6) and work only 5 days per week. Yes, “part’s delivery” job there in US assume many stops, city driving with speed limits, traffic etc. etc. Yes, Australia use kilometers instead of miles, and (accordingly to my buddy from Australia) common speed limit is 50 km/h (31 mile per hour) for city streets and 100 km/h (62 miles per hour) on highways (with some exceptions, of course).

However, what we know about Australia? What if this lady (with all my respect) is the only single person in Australia and delivering part to all body shops and dealers on whole continent? Maybe their body shops/parts department work 24/7 all year around? Maybe this fancy grille guard on her Elantra made her invisible to police radars? Who knows?

Australia is unique country. They not only drive on the wrong side of the road, they also walk upside down there!

Oh, sorry mr. RAYMUND155 – if you one of these people who believe in flat Earth, just discard my last sentence…

 

[RAYMUND155]

I live in NW USA. In 20 minutes you can go from Sea-level to 6,000 ft Alpental ski slopes. Trust me the Earth is not flat. From the top of Mt. Rainer (Paradise n Crystal Mt. Ski Resort) you can see the curvature of the earth.

Update. Finished performing 2nd oil change on 3 cars with API SP ILSAC GF6A. The full synthetic oil were from Costco Kirkland 5w-20 and Walmart Supertech 5w-30. The oil filter was Hyundai with new Al crush washer.

Observations and Tech.
The cold weather performance on my vehicles have noticeably improved, Faster cold starts, less initial knocking or vibration at cold idle, smoother cold weather running, better observed MPG at cold weather neighborhood driving, and smoother engine on 650 mile trip over the Cascade Mountains. PQIA test report show these oils have much lower viscosity at cold crank test, -30, protecting engines during cold start. I change my oils/filters between 3K-4K, the oils are much cleaner. I borescope the Al engines. They are still bright Al to no sludge or carbon deposit.

 

[BlueSLX]

I'm glad got some more mileage to look forward too. My elantra is a 2002 GLS auto and its is just rolled over on 176,200 miles and until recently we havent done pretty much anything maintenance wise to it other than oil changes, filters and every once in a while brake pads. So far this thing has been a trooper being left in a field for 1.5 years because the shift solenoids went out. Replaced the solenoids and it drove from Tennessee to Florida and has been driving around town since July.

I've done some research and found numerous places claiming that the Beta 1 and Beta 2 (2.0L) has a life expectancy of about 300,000km (~186,000mi).

https://www.motorreviewer.com/engine.php?engine_id=63

While some sources such as: G4GR - двигатель Хендай 1.6 литра | Otoba.ru claims even less at 250,000km (155,000mi).

Finally a screenshot from Wikipedia:
View attachment 454119

My Beta 1 has currently 177,xxx miles and I keep up well with maintenance and I've always been told/heard.that these 4-cylinder were very reliable. But I guess everybody has a different perspective of reliability...

Hello EricRaptorMan, I've got a 2007 Hyundai i30 with a Beta 2 CVVT (G4GC) and I bought it fairly cheap by the standards of over here with 315,000 km (about 195,000 miles) up in 2019. It was a bit tappety on start up but it soon settled down once the engine was running and it still does this. Probably due to the solid bucket tappets that the Beta 2 has. That was back in October 2019. Right now in late July 2022 it's just gone past 350,000 km (about 217,000 miles) and it's always a bit surprising but certainly also gratifying that the bloody thing still runs like a champion, pulls pretty hard for a 2 litre 4 cylinder and gets about 7.4 litres/100km average fuel consumption, in a mix of urban, open road and occasional stop start for roadworks and stuff. That's about 32 mpg US. It feels like it's still got a lot to give and apart from being a bit noisy and raucous if revved over 3500-4000 rpm it's a pretty decent engine to drive behind. I mean these Betas are basically derived from the Mitsubishi 4G63 or Sirius engine which dates back to around 1980, so I don't really expect super smooth quiet operation. It's a car I took a punt on because in this country, paying $3400 bucks for a car with 300,000 + kays isn't always guaranteed to give a good result. But give the basic robustness of the body and chassis itself credit (and the car does actually drive and handle really well for a 2007 model) and the gearbox (5 speed manual) and of course the Beta 2 motor seem strong enough that my initial misgivings that I might only get a year or so out of the car, have been replaced by a, lets see how long it can go before shitting itself sort of outlook. For a bit of perspective a bloke I know, his Uncle had one (i30 with the Beta 2) and his job was as a fire safety officer traveling all over the state doing fire safety courses at businesses, and from what I understand his Uncle flogged the F**K out of it everywhere and did not give a **** how he drove it although he kept it serviced. And the story is that one day out on the highway at speed a rod went through the side of the block and that was game over. But it was running perfectly well until that point. Which I believe was about 400,000 kays or so (nearly 250,000 miles). His Uncle really liked the car, said it drove well, reliable, economical, cheap for servicing and that he only bought it because Hyundai's have generally been a bit of a cheap-**** brand over here in the past (although that has definitely changed in the last 10 years or so) and he thought what the ****, buy it brand new and just drive it until it blows up. Which is pretty much what he did. One day I'll have to ask the guy if he can ask his UNcle just at what mileage the motor **** itself. For a comparison, this same Uncle had the same basic outcome with a Corolla, but at more like 800,000 km (nearly 500,000 miles. Still, the i30 was definitely cheaper as a new car and the Uncle said he liked driving the Hyundai way more than the Toyota. I'm of the basic feeling that maybe that 300,000 figure quoted so often isn't in Km but actually in miles! That's the real problem with he internet. One piece of information that isn't necessarily completely true just gets copied and pasted from site to site and before you know it, the info has become an internet 'truth'. The internet is still a pretty **** place for decent accurate facts that some guy hasn't pulled out of his ass. But for my money even if it isn't 'true' I reckon the service life of a Beta 1 or 2 could easily approach and exceed 300,000 - miles. Which is approaching 500,000 km. Based on nothing much really except the evidence of the car I drive myself and the experiences I read about on Hyundai forums and the experiences of people such as the dudes Uncle I referred to before. This is only empirical I know, but in the absence of Hyundai's with this engine magically failing at 300,000 km I think I'll pay credence to what's actually happening around me. Sorry for gatecrashing an old thread.

 

[BlueSLX]

I've done some research and found numerous places claiming that the Beta 1 and Beta 2 (2.0L) has a life expectancy of about 300,000km (~186,000mi).

https://www.motorreviewer.com/engine.php?engine_id=63

While some sources such as: G4GR - двигатель Хендай 1.6 литра | Otoba.ru claims even less at 250,000km (155,000mi).

Finally a screenshot from Wikipedia:
View attachment 454119

My Beta 1 has currently 177,xxx miles and I keep up well with maintenance and I've always been told/heard.that these 4-cylinder were very reliable. But I guess everybody has a different perspective of reliability...

 

[BlueSLX]

Hello EricRaptorMan, I ended up checking with my friend, whose Uncle had a Beta 2 powered i30 he drove to engine failure (rod through the block).
I thought the engine had died at about 400,000 km or so but the friend said it was up around 700,000 km (about 440,000 miles) when the engine finally cried enough.
Just to give some perspective from actual cars out on the road.

 

[vladhed]

I've read in a couple of places that for the 2.0l Beta II, "Adjustment of valve backlash is required every 90,000 km."

I've taken my 2010 Elantra Touring to the dealership for years and no one every said anything about doing stuff like this. At 335000km (mostly highway) it's a little noisy before it warms up, and loses about 500ml of oil between changes (8000km), but otherwise runs like new!

 

[Geo2009elantra]

I have 2009 elantra gl sedan g4gc 325k km 5 speed was leaking a bit of oil but fixed leak from valve covers still going Strong sometimes I drive a like a race car driver a few times a week and get 38 mpg when I puppy.. it's been on the road since new from February 2009 to this day of 2024 December and still going every day it's seen every winter with salted roads in Ontario canada and barely any rust there Just a little surface rust.
On the passenger side but i'm fixing that it's not even right through it has a 1 inch above the rear tire n tiny bit underneath good car also I still need to do the valve adjustment. The dealer never did it once just like Comment above me I don't Understand why don't they don't follow the There are maintenance intervals where it gets to a hundred thousand k or 60000m