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P0170 & p0174

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#1 · (Edited)
I am completely stumped by these codes and, frankly, so is the dealer. I bought my 05 Tucson, second owner, two years ago and thankfully got the extended warranty.

Back Story:
Within two months after buying it, I was coming back home on the interstate and got stuck in bumper to bumper traffic that had the freeway backed up for at least 3 hours going up a mountain grade due to an accident. When I got going, I had a really bad misfire and couldn't go faster than 30 MPH uphill. I had truckers passing me. When I got to the top, I pulled over and the engine was shaking bad. Being an hour from home, I waited at the rest area for about 30 minutes. I restarted it and the misfire was gone but the CEL was on. I called the dealer and took it in the next day. Bank 1 & 2 Front O2 Sensors were replaced and plug/wires replaced. Everything is peachy, no issues.

About 3 months ago, CEL came back on: Codes P0170 and P0174. Took it to the dealer, they replaced the MAF sensor, the downpipe O2 sensors. A month later, CEL came back, same codes. The dealer found a large vacuum leak in the intake and replaced all vacuum lines, upper intake manifold, gaskets, and another tank (can't remember the name of it). Within two weeks after that, engine light came back, same codes. Dealer was stumped. They called Hyundai and they did the diagnostic and found there was ethanol corrosion in the fuel lines, fuel rail, and injectors clogged. All of the items replaced under warranty.

Last week, after my extended warranty expired the CEL came back on again.
I did some research and it says to check for clogged injectors, dirty MAF and air filter, or intake leak. At this point, everything that points to fixing the CEL codes have all been fixed.

The weird thing is that if I drive a 70 mile a day commute, I get no CEL. I leave town to go to Phoenix or Flagstaff (much lower and higher elevations) and it pops the codes. I just replaced the air filter last week and cleaned the MAF with MAF cleaner, ran through some seafoam in the gas and the engine and I still get the code when changing elevations. I am at wits end with fixing it. I am not suffering fuel economy as I am getting around 20-21 MPG verified through my OBDII scanner and monitoring it manually (EPA lists 05 2.7 4WD Auto combined economy as 19). I did get a cutout at around 5500RPM before the engine up-shifts during heavy acceleration, no issues otherwise and seems to have gone away after I seafoamed it.

Any ideas? I leave on Friday for a 2500 mile trip to NY.
 
#2 ·
Check fuel pressure under load... or just out and stand on accell pedal,,, does it briefly pull good and start to fall on it face ??

there was a TSB for inspect of air box for cone being installed inside with wrong engine,, 1 engine used the cone, other engine did not.. But I be leaning more on a fuel pump that cant keep up, and engine run low on pressure and lean out.. look at black boot between MAF and throttle body, make sure it not aged - baked to point it has open cracks in the bellows
 
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Check fuel pressure under load... or just out and stand on accell pedal,,, does it briefly pull good and start to fall on it face ??
It pulls nice and hard about 80% of the time throughout the power band. The other 20%, it pulls at full power and then acts like I slightly took my foot off the pedal at around 5000 RPM right before it shifts to the next gear but then has full power. It usually happens during a heavy red light start or when I mash it to pass on the highway.

But I be leaning more on a fuel pump that cant keep up, and engine run low on pressure and lean out.. look at black boot between MAF and throttle body, make sure it not aged - baked to point it has open cracks in the bellows.
The black boot between the MAF and throttle body was replaced with the MAF. Every bit of the intake and fuel system (sans the filter and pump) is brand new, replaced in the last 5,000 miles or so. I just came up on 100,000 miles on the car, so it isn't driven very often. Leak tests on the intake were performed last time it was in for service to verify that they weren't dealing with another leak, hence the call to Hyundai service. Should I just bite the bullet and order a new fuel pump and filter to rule out that possibility?
 
#3 ·
I think sbr711's suggestion is sound advice but checking fuel pressure on a Hyundai is a bit of a PITA. Since you have an OBD scan tool, I'd suggest checking the upstream O2 voltages and long term fuel trims during a test drive to see if the O2s and fuel trims show lean during full throttle acceleration. If they do then you defo have a fuel delivery problem.

Regards.
Scottie.
 
#4 ·
Thanks for the advice. I was checking the upstream O2 voltages and long term fuel trims yesterday and data logged them. The last freeze frame I got on the car was this morning. I will attach the results of it from my scanner.
 

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After I get off work today, I will put a 60 second data monitor on it from my scanner and post the graph under hard acceleration from 0-60 and then I will do a freeway acceleration from 30-70.

Any specific PID values I should record to help in diagnosis? I can record up to 4 simultaneously.
 
#9 ·
Here are my most recent logs. I did the idle test. The long term trim values were at 14% at idle. I steadily increased the RPM and they never moved from the 14%. I did a 0-75mph test and a 60-80mph test also reflected in the logs captures
 

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