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#1 ·
Ok, like my 2017 just fine, but need push button start. Anyone have one installed, and if so, any issues? I did a search but could not find anything.
 
#19 ·
Let me ask you this...
If you had started a thread entitled "Looking for a place to get my rims powdercoated black" and I responded back with "Why would you powder coat your rims black, that's stupid", that would not offend you? even just a little bit?
:wink:

I'm not "full of animosity" and would be the first person to offer up help for someone in need of assistance, but I just don't get the need to disparage someone's choice of something.
 
#24 ·
Nobody technically said it was stupid.

I didn't know much about the Sonata - I knew the Elantra Limited had it and didn't know the price difference between a Sonata 2.0T sport and 2.0T Limited (somewhere around $6K).

avisitor said he didn't like them and posted a video where Scotty Kilmer said it was stupid, but that isn't quite the same as saying your idea is stupid.

And there are times that is SHOULD be pointed out that an idea is stupid - for example, a thread where someone wanted to replace the steering wheel with a Grant or similar wheel, which was really popular before cars had airbags and a really bad idea now. (And at that, the forum just explained it was a bad idea from legal liability and personal safety concerns and didn't say not to do it ...)
 
#29 ·
So, if I were to post a video saying why someone else thinks that using a generic seat cover is stupid that is different than me saying it is stupid?

And for the record, I did not find your post negative at all. I even put the :laugh: at the end of my post to indicate that. However, avisitor posts "I don't like them" and then links to a video whose title is "WHY KEYLESS CARS ARE STUPID" is insulting.
 
#26 ·
I haven't had any warranty claims, but I think the Hyundai paranoia is a bit overblown.

The cases I've heard about:

- One guy installed HID's and fried his ECM, but there was no factory fuse between the HID wiring and the ECM, so that was probably legitimate.
- One guy had taillights melted and they wanted to make sure they were OEM taillight bulbs - they were. (I understand 55W bulbs possibly melting the taillights, but LED's shouldn't matter).
- One guy removed all the mufflers and installed a K&N intake and the engine seized and he got a new engine.

Now - what I think could/would happen with this, is if you had a faulty starter under warranty, Hyundai would possibly/likely make you disconnect all the wiring to the advancedkeys system and re-splice any of the OEM wires back together before they worked on the car, then you would have to re-connect it when you got it back.

Something to think about ...
 
#27 · (Edited)
I have a key for all my vehicles except the Genesis which is PB and I thought they were cool at first but after having it, to me PB or key is irrelevant and both are fine.
If you are determined to have a PB start and the dealer can't fix you up let search be your friend and try here:
http://www.hyundai-forums.com/car-a...-please-post-correct-forum-your-model/127164-aftermarket-push-button-start.html
here:
http://www.hyundai-forums.com/2016-...s.com/2016-tucson-ix35-models/440201-problem-dealer-installed-remote-start.html
here:
http://www.hyundai-forums.com/md-2011-2016-elantra-sedan-coupe/128988-push-button-remote-start.html
and a YouTube here:
As far as troubleshooting if it malfunctions or any voided factory warranty on a 2017 vehicle is concerned, you're on your own and will need to discuss that with the prospective parties.
 
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#34 ·
Just curious, what is the advantage of a "push to start" button? As I understand it, the Blue Link feature on my 2017 Sonata Sport 2.0T will accomplish many of the same functions....remote start, temp control, lock/unlock doors and probably a host of other features I'm not aware of.

Unless there is something I'm missing, it seems the monthly fee for connecting your smartphone to the blue link system might be more practical and less expensive than having an aftermarket system installed.
 
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#51 ·
Tiger-Heli said:
Reply 26 pretty much covers how I would expect warranty to play out with this.

They can't legally deny an ECU issue unless they can prove the PTS caused the ECU failure.

Now fighting them in court if they say that it did ....
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Yes, they hold all the cards in that game. If they say the aftermarket component caused the failure they deny the claim for that repair. Is the average owner in a position to hire experts and take it to court? I have no experience with Hyundai but I have been on the Ford & Ram diesel truck boards for years and have seen many such scenarios of denied claims due to aftermarket parts. Right or wrong, at the end of the day the manufacturer determines what is covered and what is not.
 
#47 ·
I think the OP should just stop whining and pony up the $1,000 to have the factory unit installed. That would cover everything.

Here's a video to go with it

 
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#52 ·
I think it was a satirical comment. You have made some enemies here (not me, but ...)

The advanced keys system is $350. I'm sure you could get someone to install it for $650. Not sure if a dealer would - I doubt it, but that might help with future warranty issues.

As far as I know, there is not factory unit - other than finding the parts from a Limited and installing them - and even then, you might need to flash the BCM to make it work and that might not be possible.

(You can't install OEM fog lights in a Gen III Ford Focus and have them work properly without flashing the BCM with FOCCCUS hacked software).

I know we aren't talking about the Focus, but I'm saying it may not be nearly as simple as buying $1000 worth of black boxes and plugging them in.
 
#54 ·
Yeah, I keep going back the advanced keys one too. When I asked the dealer if they could install a factory one (no warranty issues) they said no. Push button start also allows remote starting from bluelink so I would ASSume there is programming to be done there too, (if even possible)
 
#55 ·
You need to decide what you really want ...

The advanced keys system looks really close to what you were asking for (and is the only way I know of to add it), and in some ways (no buttons on the door handle) looks better than the OEM system.

If you want remote start also, the advanced keys system includes that.

If you want remote start from a cel-phone, Viper, Directed, or others offer that for an annual fee. I don't know if the Advanced Keys system has that capability or if it can control a Viper remote start, or if you would have to install a Viper remote start in addition (and possibly more troubleshooting finger-pointing). You could ask Advanced Keys tech support.

If you want the Hyundai system from the Limited where you can set the A/C temperature from your smartphone, I think you are back to trading your car on a limited as I don't know of any aftermarket system to do that or any way to add the factory Limited system to your car.
 
#56 ·
Tiger-Heli said:
You need to decide what you really want ...

The advanced keys system looks really close to what you were asking for (and is the only way I know of to add it), and in some ways (no buttons on the door handle) looks better than the OEM system.

If you want remote start also, the advanced keys system includes that.

If you want remote start from a cel-phone, Viper, Directed, or others offer that for an annual fee. I don't know if the Advanced Keys system has that capability or if it can control a Viper remote start, or if you would have to install a Viper remote start in addition (and possibly more troubleshooting finger-pointing). You could ask Advanced Keys tech support.

If you want the Hyundai system from the Limited where you can set the A/C temperature from your smartphone, I think you are back to trading your car on a limited as I don't know of any aftermarket system to do that or any way to add the factory Limited system to your car.
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WHY would someone want to fidget with a Smartphone when the temperature control is well within arm's reach?!?!?! That has to be one of the dumbest features I've heard of yet! But, I'm sure someone would think it was "COOL!" while running down a kid changing the temp with a phone. :rolleyes:

(Of course, I get it's so you can remote start and warm or cool the car while the engine warms up, but some geeneeus will do it while driving...)
 
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#62 ·
Are you going to self install it?

I didn't look at the AK-105S earlier, but there are two things I don't like about it (not that you asked ...)

- Basically, the AK-105S has a knob that you make from the end of your key blade. I don't know that anyone knows how the system works, but if they do, it is basically (well, exactly) the same as leaving your key in the ignition - i.e. anyone that wants to and break your window and open the door and drive your car off. I "think" the AK-105B won't start unless it senses the fob is present, but I could be wrong about that.

- For lack of a better term, the AK-105B looks factory and the AK-105S looks cheap. I.e., you could sell the car with the AK-105B and other than the fob being flat and long, anyone would assume you somehow had a Sonata Sport with factory PTS. (OTOH, I think with the AK-105S, you could just remove the "knob", and say you lost one of the spare keys ...
 
#63 ·
Car will not start without the fob...they can break the window but they won;t be able to drive away. Reasoning to go with the turn style version is less install time and easy removability..and no, not going to install it myself.
I do not believe our key fobs have chips in them, but would need to check...
 
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#64 · (Edited)
I use to hear stories of thieves who were very well educated in the art of stealing cars
First, they don't break windows. They pop the lock with a slim jim.
Then they know exactly which wires must be bypassed.

With needing keys to start engine, they would stick a screw driver in the ignition and force it to turn
Breaking the ignition lock and freeing the steering column lock.

With keyless PTS buttons, I am not sure how they would do it
But, the thieves would know.

Heck, I heard of stories where the owner would take the wire, from the coil to the distributor, home with him
The thieves still stole his car. Guessing they carried an extra wire.

My neighbor (when I lived in the New York City) parked his car one day
and the next day could not start his car.
He spent the next few days trying to figure out what was wrong with it.
Next day, his car was gone. Apparently the thieves know how to fix cars too.
Either that or they towed his car away.

I am not sure but does the push buttons to start the engine also release the steering column lock?
Or doesn't those cars have a steering column lock??
 
#65 ·
avisitor said:
I am not sure but does the push buttons to start the engine also release the steering column lock?
Or doesn't those cars have a steering column lock??
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The AK-105S, basically you put a knob on the end of the OEM key so turning the knob turns the key and releases the steering lock.

The AK-105B and the OEM PTS systems have an interlock or bypass module that disengages the column lock when the button is pressed.
 
#74 ·
@OC - I like where you went with that, but the main point of the idea is having the car unlock without taking your keys out - not replacing the ignition system with a button, but your system does half of it.

Packard8 said:
Are you saying that you disassemble one of your OEM fobs, leave the key portion with the knob sticking out in the ignition?....and to start the car you must turn the knob to release the column lock?
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Almost - it is the head of the key that is cut, not the fob that is disassembled - he doesn't have the factory PTS system.

Again, what I don't like about the AK-105S is you are basically always leaving the key in the ignition. The system will auto-lock and auto-unlock the car with the smart fob, but anyone that gains access to the car can turn the key (knob) and drive away. (I'm also not sure how insurance will view it - i.e. if I report my car stolen, but tell them I left the key in the ignition but locked the door with my second key - but I think I would likely be covered if I left it unlocked with the engine running - it does basically cover stupidity.

With either the OEM or the AK-105B system, you can't start the car without the fob present. Yes, the are vulnerable to range extenders, but you can't just jimmy the door open and drive the car away.
 
#76 · (Edited)
Tiger-Heli said:
@OC - I like where you went with that, but the main point of the idea is having the car unlock without taking your keys out - not replacing the ignition system with a button, but your system does half of it.



Almost - it is the head of the key that is cut, not the fob that is disassembled - he doesn't have the factory PTS system.

Again, what I don't like about the AK-105S is you are basically always leaving the key in the ignition. The system will auto-lock and auto-unlock the car with the smart fob, but anyone that gains access to the car can turn the key (knob) and drive away. (I'm also not sure how insurance will view it - i.e. if I report my car stolen, but tell them I left the key in the ignition but locked the door with my second key - but I think I would likely be covered if I left it unlocked with the engine running - it does basically cover stupidity.

With either the OEM or the AK-105B system, you can't start the car without the fob present. Yes, the are vulnerable to range extenders, but you can't just jimmy the door open and drive the car away.
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Tiger, the above bolded part is incorrect. If the advanced key fob is not in range of the of the car the car can NOT be started. No different than the factory push to start. If your factory remote is out of range of the car and you push the button, what happens? Nothing, same as if you were to break into the car with TTS and turned the key...nothing...at least that is how it was explained to me.
 
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#72 ·
Use to have the same problem with the old type cell phones.
The ones that looked like someone was carrying a brick around their ears.
That was solved by using digital technology and encoding a revolving digital password.

Have seen thieves try to use the readers on credit card RF chips.
Some work and some do not. Not sure about it presently.
Have been out of touch with the new digital tech.

Oh back to topic, so the up grade to push to start button requires a key remnant to release the column lock?
Sounds like the upgrade only solves half the issue??

And from the point of view of mechanics which have to fix cars with after market items installed
They are nightmares.
Mechanics just usually rip them out in their effort to fix the cars.
 
#73 · (Edited)
You guys are all getting way too fancy with this.

Here's the way to do it:

Get one of these:



It's a 2-stage push-button. One push turns ACC on if you want to sit and listen to the radio, etc. The second push turns the ignition ON. Hide it somewhere out of sight but convenient.

Hack out the igntion and connect the ACC wire to stage 1, and the ON wire to stage 2.

Then get one of these:

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And wire it to the START wire. All set. If the hole in the steering column bugs you, stuff it with a big rubber stopper.

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Simple and efficient.

Not knowing where the hidden switch is, some idiots will sit there for hours pushing the start button attempting to steal the car. You can wire it up to a relay so that when the first, hidden switch is not energized first, it will blow the horn and flash the lights, or any function you like.

Total cost: ~$35
 
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#77 ·
Okay, so the AK-105S does have an interlock if the fob is not present to prevent the car from starting?

In that case, I feel better about it. I still think the AK-105B looks more professional/factory, but it is more expensive and more complex.

Let us know how it works out. (And don't forget to post an unrelated video for @Old's Cool!!!)
 
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