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Hyundai: The George Steinbrenner Of Autos
Jerry Flint, 05.08.07, 6:00 AM ET

If you wanted one word to describe Hyundai, the Korean carmaker, I would suggest "impatient." Or maybe "impetuous," or "impulsive."

The world's sixth-largest automaker does not show patience in building its business. It is drive, drive, drive, all the time. Win at any cost.

Hyundai's growth in the U.S. has been spectacular. Its quality image has moved from terrible to good. Business doubled here in five years. Many automakers would be happy with a fraction of that increase, but not Hyundai. Last year, it fired the American head of the company. Rumor had it that back in Korea, they wanted more gains.

Then later last year, sales in the tough U.S. market stalled at 455,000. Rather than coast for a bit, Hyundai is just pushing harder to try to rack up more wins.

It recently fired its long-time advertising agency and replaced it with Goodby, Silverstein & Partners, which used to represent General Motors' (nyse: GM - news - people ) Saturn division. One estimate pegs this as a $300 million account, with Hyundai dealers spending a similar amount on local advertising.

The speed at which the company produces models is amazing--the Azera sedan, the Entourage minivan and the made-in-the-U.S. Sonata sedan. Hyundai pumps out new stuff much faster than Detroit and even the Japanese. It has promised a diesel in a couple of years, and you can bet it will be coming up with hybrids, plug-ins, fuel cells and whatever it takes.

Hyundai is continuing its relentless onslaught of new models, the latest being its three-passenger row Veracruz "crossover" sport utility vehicle, a model that is a likely candidate for the upcoming diesel. The company is also trying to move up-market. A luxurious rear-drive sedan is coming next year. The car will offer a V-8 engine option, probably pushing it into the $35,000 to $40,000 range, which is a leap from the $12,000 to $25,000 cars and SUVs Hyundai has been selling. The company even considered but ultimately rejected setting up a separate luxury division, like Lexus, for this new sedan.

Maybe you have seen Hyundai TV ads recently, comparing its cars to BMWs and other high rollers. Hyundai wants to get people to think of it that way, not just as a company known for building cheapie cars with lots of options as standard. I think it will take more than advertising to change such perceptions.

Nor is the company ignoring the low end. Hyundai just said it would add a five-door wagon to its low-end Elantra line early next year and market it as a small SUV.

Hyundai announced from Korea that this year the American unit would sell 550,000 cars and trucks--which, frankly, is unlikely. The Americans at Hyundai said they are shooting for 500,000 sales this year. So if they do not make the target set by the bosses overseas, will the company fire more people? Oh yeah, Hyundai wants 700,000 sales here by 2010, a 54% increase in four years.

Hyundai says that 50 of its dealers are underachievers in customer service, and it has given these laggards six months to improve their performance or face the consequences. That is tough talk considering how well state authorities protect auto dealers.

Factory capacity is another indicator of Hyundai's relentless drive. It can build 300,000 units a year at its new (but underutilized) Alabama plant, so it may add a third vehicle to keep it running full. Now Kia Motors, the sister company, which Hyundai controls in Korea, is building its first U.S. plant, in Georgia. Also in the works is Hyundai's second engine plant, in Alabama. Within a few years, the company is going to have an enormous amount of U.S. manufacturing capacity--maybe too much.

How good are Hyundais? Well, certainly better than those first cars years ago, which had a terrible reputation. I recall a Hyundai sales manager getting in front of a press conference and saying:

"We sell more cars in Cleveland than in all California. Know why?"

Then, with a big laugh, he answered himself: "Because we never sold cars in Cleveland before."

That was years ago, and Hyundai has since rebuilt its reputation with a 100,000-mile warranty to show owners that it seriously improved quality. Consumer Reports puts its "recommended" label on the Sonata sedan (made here), the Tucson small crossover SUV, the Entourage minivan and the Azera upscale sedan. Car testers often say nice things, too, but I notice that in long-term tests, after 20,000 miles more, some reports on Hyundais are not as pleasant.

Despite all the gains in quality and image, Hyundai is having a hard time moving its sales to the next level. In the first four months of 2007, it sold 143,342 vehicles, down 3.5% from the 147,013 of the year before. Sales of that Sonata sedan built in Alabama are down 31%, to 40,000.

Year Hyundai's Annual U.S. Sales
1998 90,217
1999 164,190
2000 244,391
2001 346,235
2002 375,119
2003 400,221
2004 416,615
2005 455,012
2006 455,520
Source: Automotive News

Hyundai is not doing that well in Europe either, but most Asian nameplates had a weak first quarter. In the first three months of 2007, Hyundai sold 81,196 units in Europe, a decline of 7% from 87,153 in the first quarter of 2006.

The risk to Hyundai is that in its drive to be No. 1 in the world, it will overreach. It is a mistake to underestimate the competition, fire good people who don't meet foolish sales targets set in Korea, overbuild factories in the U.S. before the market is ready to absorb such volume, and then dump cars to keep the factories going. The Koreans, including Hyundai, have made similar mistakes in the past. Hyundai survived a late 1990s meltdown, but it was close. Kia floundered and Hyundai gained control; General Motors ended up with the remnants of bankrupt Daewoo, and Renault took over Samsung.

Maybe it's time for the managers in Korea to learn the words of that song, "The Gambler."

"You've got to know when to hold them, know when to fold them, know when to walk away, know when to run."

http://www.forbes.com/columnists/2007/05/0..._0508flint.html
 
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Hyundai says that 50 of its dealers are underachievers in customer service, and it has given these laggards six months to improve their performance or face the consequences. That is tough talk considering how well state authorities protect auto dealers.

--That's interesting for us too... Does it mean improve SALES only or also their SERVICE DEPARTMENT...
What can a car manufacturer do to a lagging dealership? Fire them?
 
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Originally posted by mamamia@May 9 2007, 03:35 PM

The risk to Hyundai is that in its drive to be No. 1 in the world, it will overreach. It is a mistake to underestimate the competition, fire good people who don't meet foolish sales targets set in Korea, overbuild factories in the U.S. before the market is ready to absorb such volume, and then dump cars to keep the factories going. The Koreans, including Hyundai, have made similar mistakes in the past. Hyundai survived a late 1990s meltdown, but it was close. Kia floundered and Hyundai gained control; General Motors ended up with the remnants of bankrupt Daewoo, and Renault took over Samsung.

http://www.forbes.com/columnists/2007/05/0..._0508flint.html
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good article :)

It sounds like the columnist is making a statement that all Korean car makers made mistakes due to overstretching back in late 1990s.
Well, due to Asian fianancal crisis or IMF crisis back in late 1990s, almost ALL Korean companies suffered. A lot of businesses went down back in 1997. Samsung started car business in 1994 and Samsung wasn't even making their own cars. You wouldn't be able to see samsung cars back in 1990s. It was impossible. It was either Hyundai or Kia. Now samsung is selling cars bought from renault/nissan.
 
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Hyundai: The George Steinbrenner Of Autos
Jerry Flint, 05.08.07, 6:00 AM ET
Hyundai says that 50 of its dealers are underachievers in customer service, and it has given these laggards six months to improve their performance or face the consequences. That is tough talk considering how well state authorities protect auto dealers.


I think I could name one of those 50 dealerships
 
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Failure to match production capacity to market demand is one of the big reasons The Big Three are foundering.

The strategy of, "If you build it, they will buy" works, but only up to a point.
 
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Originally posted by mamamia@May 9 2007, 04:48 PM
--That's interesting for us too... Does it mean improve SALES only or also their SERVICE DEPARTMENT...
What can a car manufacturer do to a lagging dealership? Fire them?
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What can they do? Take away the franchise. That's a big investment. Dealers spend a lot of $$$$ to train people AND buy specialized equipment for the service dept. No performance...no franchise. No franchise....loss of investment. Kinda like us, no results....no job. No job.....loss of $$$

They won't shut you down for bad CSI ratings in the service dept. but it's a trickle down theory. Sell the car, great CSI rating. Service gets ahold of that customer and gets a bad CSI rating...again one person tells ten and those ten tell ten more. Eventually sales will suffer and then what happens? No tickee...no laundry.

I tried to talk our owners into buying a KIA franchise but they shied away. Something about costs to buy equipment, etc and it's their $$. They have dealt with the GM franchise ticket and know better. I still think it would have been a great investment four years ago. Instead of us selling 150-200 cars a month in beautiful Great Falls we could be selling 300+. Not a Kia dealer within hours/miles of us. Look at the quality now.
 
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The strategy of, "If you build it, they will buy" works, but only up to a point.
Hyundai seems to be taking a LOT of chances here.

They are investing many millions of Dollars in new assembly lines, mew models, new technology, new design.

They are throwing in a lot of money in marketing/advertising (and good advertising), they sponsor a lot of sports programs, their PR efforts are impressive.

But they also are deeply discounting their products. DUMPING may be the right word, what the Japanese used to do in the 70s. We're all witnessing where they are today.

Let's hope their daring strategies will bring great success.

'Cause otherwise, we're all screwed.
 
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Dumping. I remember that with Japanese motorcycles around 1982. You'd buy one, and then go to trade it in a year or two later, and the saleman would tell you that he still has that same model in crates, brand new!! What was your 2 year old bike worth?? About half price! Harley Davidson smartened up, and said that if we can sell 10 bikes, we'll build 7. Talk about resale value!!!!
 
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WE'RE not going to suffer Mamma. We're driving a great car for the buck thanks to Hyundai. Those who might/will suffer are those who trade every 12 months and roll over negative equity. They will pay the price....eventually. Not me.

BTW all "affordable" manufacturers dump on occasion. It's a fact of survival.
 
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I'm not surprised by what some people call hyundai's overstretching strategy.

With FTA kicking in, Hyundai may be left with huge stock piles of cars in the future if they do not sell more gradually.

Through FTA, Hyundai and Kia will get tax free for their cars so it's very likely that more hyundais and kias will be imported.
 
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Originally posted by motd@May 10 2007, 12:55 AM
Dumping. I remember that with Japanese motorcycles around 1982. You'd buy one, and then go to trade it in a year or two later, and the saleman would tell you that he still has that same model in crates, brand new!! What was your 2 year old bike worth?? About half price! Harley Davidson smartened up, and said that if we can sell 10 bikes, we'll build 7. Talk about resale value!!!!
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MOTD you can still buy bikes a few years old in crates from the dealer. Check out your ads in your local big city paper. I'd like to find an 04 Kawasaki KLR650 in a crate. $5000.00 new then, what $3000-$3500.00 now? That's a bargain.
 
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Originally posted by mamamia@May 9 2007, 11:51 PM
Hyundai seems to be taking a LOT of chances here.

They are investing many millions of Dollars in new assembly lines, new models, new technology, new design.

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Hyundai apparently believes they have found the formula, and are determined to stick to it.

They believe there are millions of buyers that want to buy Camry, Accord, and Altima, but can't quite afford the note. Hyundai believes that if they reasonably prove their quality, performance, features, and aesthetics are very close to the above for >$5K less, they believe they can sell them.

I have a sneaky feeling that Hyundai's goal is to reach "critical mass" in the market. That means 1. Teaching buyers how to pronounce "Hyundai", and become comfortable saying the name; 2. Make buyers repeat the mantra "Hyundai is as good as the competition for $1000's less; 3. Put enough sharp looking Hyundais on the road and on TV to achieve eye recognition and a comfort/acceptance level.

It's starting to work. People are learning to pronounce "Hyundai" correctly.
 
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Originally posted by error666@May 10 2007, 08:39 AM
Stupid question:
What do you call "dumping"? 2k discount? I wouldn't call a 23k price on a 25k car "dumping". And I never saw a 25k sonata sold for .. say 12k.
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"Dumping" has a very narrow definition. It's simply selling at a loss to take sales away from the (mainly) domestic competition.

Still, it's hard to pin down. Manufacturers can sell at a loss for other reasons and not be guilty of dumping.
 
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WE'RE not going to suffer Mamma.

No, I'm not living in fear. Obviously Hyundai has taken a huge risk, and they are taking a very AGGRESSIVE approach in "spreading the word"...

BUT ISN'T THAT THE AMERICAN WAY OF DOING BUSINESS?

...And just as bobad said, Hyundai needs to shed the bad reputation that their early products had earned them (and justifiably so). But the older ones among us here sure remember how BAD were Japanese cars in the early-mid 70s...

But, as in any business, you better be careful, calculate your next step -- AND YOU ALSO NEED LUCK!...

And BTW, what's this remark he makes "Car testers often say nice things, too, but I notice that in long-term tests, after 20,000 miles more, some reports on Hyundais are not as pleasant." -- I wonder where is that guy getting it all from... Maybe he just needed an EXCUSE to JUSTIFY his "concerns"?
 
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Dumping to me means when you can buy a brand new 06 Azera/Ultimate for less than you can buy an 07 Sonata LS (Much less)...............Like I did......And still 06 Azeras sitting on the lot.
Vehicle Information Mileage Price
Photo
2006
Hyundai AZERA LTD/ULT PKG
Automatic, Aubergine, Beige, V-6, 3.8 ... more
Stock #: 131094
VIN : KMHFC46F46A131094
Warranty: Yes

Automatic, Aubergine, Beige, V-6, 3.8 $30,080.00
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2006
Hyundai AZERA LTD/ULT PKG
Automatic, Golden Beige, Beige, V-6, 3.8 ... more
Stock #: 132646
VIN : KMHFC46F06A132646
Warranty: Yes

Automatic, Golden Beige, Beige, V-6, 3.8 $30,085.00

http://www.cartersvillehyundai.com/newinv/...e_inventory.dsp

And I traded my 69 Mustang for a 77 Toyota Celica <~~ One of the best cars I ever had.......Out of VERY many.
 
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I don't know what you're showing here, Brazzel (comparing two '06 Azeras?) but I don't really think the $30,000 price tag for an '06 Azera is less ("Much less" as you claim) than an '07 Sonata, be it LS or whatever...

...Hmmmm... unless there is super extra fancy trim called "LS" (oh, I know, it stands for "Low Speed"!) version of the Sonata which you know, but we don't?...

Maybe a special appreciation trim made for those rich, yet slow locals in Alabama?

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
 
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That would be what they are asking.....and before the rebates........And fishing for someone who would be foolish enough to pay that for them......Read between the lines Mama...........................................................................................................................Nice Bama slam there too....(While I breath in the fresh clean air)

Also.......Don't forget that it is us slow Alabama folks who are building that Sonata.
LOL :bwekk:
And the Santa Fe.....And the Honda Odyssey & Pilot......And the Mercedes S Class. And Toyota engines......Oh and don't forget all those slow NASA folks in Huntsville.

Sweet home Alabama

Hummmm...And I just wonder what slow people will be building this baby too (Genesis)
 
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Well, hmmm... If the '06 Azera has a $30,000 price tag, and the '07 Sonata Limited (not an ultra fancy LS, after all) has a price tag of $23,500... Selling me the story that one can end up getting an '06 Azera for less than an '07 Sonata is kind of a hard sale...

Wait, why would your guy ask for LAST YEAR'S Azera almost $30,100, when the official MSRP for a NEW top-of-the-line Azera is $27,135...
http://www.hyundaiusa.com/vehicle/azera/azera.aspx

Am I missing somethin' here? Did I fall asleep? Am I alive? Or is this heaven?
 
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Originally posted by Brazzel@May 10 2007, 03:21 PM
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I guess dumping means many things to many people... but we just won't go there. ;)

WRT the auto industry, dumping has a very specific definition, and it's illegal. Dumping is normally done at the manufacturer level, not the dealer level.
 
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Maybe this dealer thinks that the people of Alabama are kind of slow thinkers and are unaware of the official MSRP of these cars? You have a better explanation to this?

And I have nothing to prove to you. I paid less than this $23,500

A. Why can't you tell us how much you ACTUALLY paid for your '06 (NEW?) Azera.

B. You take in consideration that just as you paid less than MSRP, so does anybody (well, the smart ones who know the art of haggling) buying a new Sonata...

But than maybe in good old Bama, things are different...
 
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Jeeze dude !! I think I just did. And you want to call us slow !

And for the record.....If you go to the site you will see it's in Georgia.
[attachmentid=3676] <~~ But I bought this........Even smarter.

I don't know what your problem with me is Mama.....But I really don't care to respond to any more of your nonsense.
 
#25 ·
We all notice how you make a special effort NOT to tell us the amount you ACTUALLY PAID for your Azera.

Maybe it was HIGHER than what posters here paid for their '07 Sonata, after all?

Oh well, we would never know.

And that's OK.
 
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