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First Snow With New Santy?

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#1 ·
I'm curious to hear others impressions if this is their first snow with their Santy.

I had about an inch and initially felt confident but then started slipping a bit. I felt a bit too easily.
MOSTLY, my concern was with the ABS. Wow is it LOUD! Grind/crunch sound VERY loud. I've never heard anything like it before in any of our cars.
I also felt when employed, it was slower to stop than my prior car. I actually wanted to turn it off because I started to feel braking would be a shorter distance without it.

I'm wondering if others feel the ABS is super loud also or if mine are messed up. I really have no room in the garage to store snow tires, etc.
Wondering how everyone with a new Santy is fareing in the snow.
 
#2 ·
Am still waiting for "a big one", but in light snow as we have now, mine behaves fine. The ABS is pretty loud, but I'd come to expect that from my last vehicle, too, so it was no big surprise. Stopping distances have been as good as I'd expect with the Bridgestones that came with the vehicle. The tread isn't all that aggressive. When the time comes, I'll find something I like better. Wish to heck they made my old Traction T/A series in just the right size. One thing for sure -- it stops dead straight. That's always good.

The ESC has been very good in restarts, too. No squirrely action, even when I jump on it just a bit.

Still need to see some REAL snow. Haven't had a proper dump since I bought the thing last March. I doubt I've tried it in more than about 4" of the stuff, and then, only long enough to make it up our side street and out to where the plows had already made it a non-challenge.
 
#3 ·
hey there..... i've had my 07 santy since brand new, and where i live we tend to get quite bit snow , i take my santy on offroading missions, and i'll tell ya, it handles very well, even in deep snow, the key i find it to keep your momentum and you should be fine... i have good winter tires, no studs but good ice tires and steel rims.. far as the esc and abs goes i feel your pain it is very loud and sounds like something is wrong eh, lol. but all is good, you will get used to it. the abs is tied into the esc, you get that noise when your rig is sliding sideways usually... disabling the esc via the button won't affect your awd , it should give you a little more wheel spin though which can sometimes help.. i've had mine in deep snow, deep mud, deep water, all over the place, yet to let me down, love my santa fe!!!!
 
#4 ·
I had good luck with my vehicle last year in the snow, but didn't drive in too many storms. We had a pretty good storm in the northeast yesterday, and driving in slush definitely gave it a workout. My biggest problem was ecs cutting power to the engine when I was starting to slide off the road. I wanted to increase power and steer out of the ditch, but it seemed to want me to slowly slide to the right. I ended up recovering before getting too close, was still annoying though.
 
#5 ·
QUOTE (ehkewley @ Dec 10 2009, 12:19 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=283823
I had good luck with my vehicle last year in the snow, but didn't drive in too many storms. We had a pretty good storm in the northeast yesterday, and driving in slush definitely gave it a workout. My biggest problem was ecs cutting power to the engine when I was starting to slide off the road. I wanted to increase power and steer out of the ditch, but it seemed to want me to slowly slide to the right. I ended up recovering before getting too close, was still annoying though.

Unless I'm totally off base.. all ESC does is apply braking and has nothing to do with the engine.
 
#6 ·
well yes and no, esc is mostly to do with your breaks , but i seems to limit wheel spin also, if you get stuck you'll notice , ecs will only allow your wheels to move very slowly mostly applying tourque, will not allow wheel spin, but , alteast from my experience, if you disable it via the button, you can spin your tires and dig yourself as big a hole as you want, lol, most times tire spin is not a good thing but once in a while it will allow you to get unstuck. my santa fe should have a trail rated emblem with everything i've taken it through , lol.... happy trails people.
 
#10 ·
QUOTE (Pinto_Siftbean @ Dec 10 2009, 02:06 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=283871
Yes!! It saves us from idiots who can't drive in snow!!!! :D
Yeah, well... I'm still looking for a car that provides manual control over the rotation of each wheel separately, and a driver talented enough to control all four of them separately when he can't see which one (ones) is (are) spinning. To my mind, there's something to be said for traction control like this for any driver.

There have been only a few times when it (and anything else) would have been defeated by my immediate conditions. One that comes to mind is when I was sitting idle in traffic on a banked section of I-70 near Exit 244 just west of Denver -- the infamous Floyd Hill patch -- and suddenly found myself slowly sliding sideways on the ice to the right shoulder. Not much to be done for that. Fortunately, that's as far as I got.
 
#12 ·
Well we got dumped on pretty good here in the Ottawa area, when I got home from work I took the SF (wife's vehicle) to pick the kids up @ the babysitters. I've got steel rims w/Michelin XIce winter tires and all I can say is HOLY CRAP! :grin: I gotta say that this thing handled anything I threw at it, pulled like crazy through the deep snow and as others would know, when you have all wheel just point the wheel and punch it! LOL Extremely impressed as this was the 1st time I've had the SF in any snow at all. Definately can't agree with others that argue snow tires aren't worth it as I've tried it over the years and I'm a firm believer in having 2 full sets of wheels. I sure feel comfortable now knowing how well this vehicle handles the conditions having it being my wife's DD.
 
#14 ·
The Santa Fe is a tank in the snow. I actually look forward to blizzards now :)

Yes, the ABS is quite loud. Even the ESC can make itself felt when you get sideways... almost like hitting a curb to bump you back into line. It's all good though.

SantaFe_BG, I can't deny the overall performance superiority of snow tires. But as I've said in another post, some light-truck all-seasons do a pretty good job in the white stuff too... certainly much better than the OEM Bridgestone. http://www.hyundai-forums.com/t37321-st-20...nce-in-snow.htm
 
#16 ·
QUOTE (Turk12 @ Dec 10 2009, 11:20 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=283940
Well we got dumped on pretty good here in the Ottawa area, when I got home from work I took the SF (wife's vehicle) to pick the kids up @ the babysitters. I've got steel rims w/Michelin XIce winter tires and all I can say is HOLY CRAP! :grin: I gotta say that this thing handled anything I threw at it, pulled like crazy through the deep snow and as others would know, when you have all wheel just point the wheel and punch it! LOL Extremely impressed as this was the 1st time I've had the SF in any snow at all. Definately can't agree with others that argue snow tires aren't worth it as I've tried it over the years and I'm a firm believer in having 2 full sets of wheels. I sure feel comfortable now knowing how well this vehicle handles the conditions having it being my wife's DD.
Those who say snow tires aren't worth it don't live in Ottawa...

I have the same car and the same tires (08, and brand new XIce tires!) - problem is, i stayed home when the snow was bad and now all the roads are dry. I need to go to a parking lot next time and go for a real test drive!!!
 
#17 ·
QUOTE (canderson @ Dec 10 2009, 05:18 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=283888
... -- and suddenly found myself slowly sliding sideways on the ice to the right shoulder. Not much to be done for that. Fortunately, that's as far as I got.
This comment brought back a funny memory I was in Corner Brook NFLD in 1991-92 that place gets crazy amounts of snow. Walking back to my now brother in-laws apt from just down the corner store it was a pretty steep hill and it had been freezing raining all day. I watched no less then 3 parked cars just let go and start sliding down the hill either into the bank or each other. It was insane to watch, and a funny memory to think back on.
 
#18 ·
QUOTE (Don67 @ Dec 11 2009, 06:10 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=283981
The Santa Fe is a tank in the snow. I actually look forward to blizzards now :)

Wow is that a fact! We got a bit over 2ft of snow yesterday. A horrible storm. My 2008 GLS 2.7L AWD gets unbelievable traction w/ the Uniroyal Laredos i've got on it. I dunno if AWD even kicked in, but if it did it's seamless. My Honda Odyssey is still stuck at a 45deg angle about 1/3 of the way up my driveway. That sucker is horrendous in the snow with the stock tires. The slightest incline and you're going nowhere w/ the Ody.

Joel
 
#19 ·
I do not know which exactly post to comment – there are too many related threads here. So I am posting my comments in this thread.

ABS and ESC – General Note: Try to do without them, and you will never complain again. Most of us tend to overestimate and overstate our driving skills and abilities… and overstate the length of some other male organ (better state it in millimeters: “It is 305 mm long, baby!”). I could understand if you lived in Russia or Ukraine (or Latin America or Egypt) – every driver here thinks that he is better than Schumacher (suffering from acute cases of machism or spermotoxicosis respectively – all related diseases caused by testosterone poisoning of somebody’s brain – see note below). Automatic transmission – for chicks, terrible performance and fuel efficiency; ABS – you can modulate brakes with your foot better than this; air conditioning – not needed: one less thing to break, you can open windows; power windows – not needed: another less thing to break; power seats – nobody needs them: you adjust your seat only once, do not let anybody else drive your car – your car is your castle; not to mention power heated seats, and so on. There are also drivers (especially cab drivers) that do not turn the headlights on at night (and have their windows tinted deeply into the illegal zone): Are you blind? – Street lights provide enough light! Most of this misconceptions in my part of the world come from the Soviet times: the quality of cars was poor, they were severely underpowered, traffic was far from intense (so you can do practically anything on the road without risking of hitting another car; however, most old-school drivers – who started to drive in the 1940s-1970s – strictly adhere to the traffic rules – these rules are almost sacred to them). But now, we are pushing driving to the limit. We drive 100 kph (62 mph) in dense city traffic – no dedicated highways here. In rain and snow! Who could have imagined it 25 years ago? Now you ask why you need HID lights? Just because without them, you will hit a pedestrian before you see him! Or ABS? So you can drive around this pedestrian or open manhole or avoid another road hazard! Do you know when the guy in front of you will hit the brakes? Or some woman decides to make a U-turn from the right lane? No chance for error in conditions like that! Of course, there is no better safety feature than careful driving and correct judgment, sound reasoning and thinking… Unfortunately not all models of humans are equipped with it.

Note: Just for the purposes of objectivity, I must note that the author of this post also suffers from the same disease – testosterone poisoning – only not in its severe form.

Show me a driver who can get better fuel efficiency than modern ATs achieve? Do you all know when to shift? Outperform ABS? You can count them on one hand.

ABS helps you to stop – no matter what! At least it prevents a car from spinning out of control. When you complain that “the ABS just did ‘boom-boom-boom’ and the car kept going forward – I could have stopped faster without that”, think what could have happened without it. On a dry surface – you could; in this case – you could not… unless you had some special training in extreme driving (“Wheels lock up – pulse the brake pedal!”). Most likely, your car would have sinned out of control without ABS – that’s all.

So you don’t like all the new smart features? Disconnect them and prepare $X you paid for your Santa Fe. Start driving and, if it rains or snows, count minutes to your major accident. Try to drive in freezing rain – 0 C (32 F).

And probably one most important feature about these smart systems is that they start working before you even recognize that there is a problem! How long will it take you to realize that your wheels are locked up? A second? 28 m (91 ft) at 100 kph (62 mph)! BANG!!!

I realized all the advantages of these technologies for the first time on December 31, 1996 – January 1, 1997 in Des Moines, IA, in my 1986 Audi 5000CS Turbo. Unlike many other cars that turned into piles of metal that night, my car made it to – not without a dangerous encounter – to Lamoni, IA. Well, I landed into a ditch on the way home – a managed crash landing – a better choice than crossing the grass strip and hitting the oncoming traffic on the other side of I-35. The problem was partly tires (worn on the back), partly my incorrect judgment of safe speed – I was going about 50-55 mph, when everybody was going 40-45 mph. Of course, ABS, snow tires in front – I thought I was equal to gods! Mistaken I was: 55 mph has become a terminal velocity. So it is a mixed example: On one hand, it proves that technology is useful; on the other, it supports my statement above that no technology is substitute for sound judgment. So every technology has its limitations.

Another example from my life – the same period of time, also in Iowa: I am visiting my friend in Ames. He just bought a 1983 Mercury Zephyr – thrifty Bulgarians. (Dino, please don’t take it personally, if you are reading these lines: Bulgarians are actually very good people! I was almost married to a Bulgarian girl. In case you have questions why ‘almost’: I had to go back home, and she got a job in Dallas, TX.) Well, we were all poor International students then: He started his Ph.D., and I deferred my admission to Baylor MBA for a year and decided to earn some money before I would become very poor again. I was lucky that my first car – 1987 Chevrolet Cavalier – was written off after it was rear-ended in Independence, MO. So I bought an Audi. What a difference! So my friend drives his Mercury in front of my, about an inch of snow, the traffic light turns red, he steps on the brakes… the car starts to fishtail (skid). The rear tire hits the curb, which makes his car to stop. Luckily no damage, only a little bit of shock in his and his wife’s eyes. I was able to safely stop – that’s all the difference. Even if the distance had not been sufficient to safely stop behind his car, I could easily go to the left of his car.

So next topic is…

Winter Tires: Those of us who drive AWD (4WD) believe that we are invincible! Mistakenly so… Quite mistakenly! AWD will get you going on any surface… but what will make you stop? Tires and only tires. If there is no traction – nothing can stop you: no ABS, no ESP, no engine… Maybe, a curb, a wall, a tree, a light pole… or another car. Not a good way to stop. So if you live where it snows – think about buying a set.

Even an earlier example – early snowfall in Kansas City, MO, in October 1996: I was going down a ramp (branching to the right from the highway and going then under it) on a multilevel intersection in my 1987 Cavalier. I decided to slow down – unsuccessfully. The wheels locked up. The centrifugal force pushed me to the right side of the ramp – my front right tire hit the curb, and this is how I stopped. No ABS. No winter tires. Luckily no damage.

Deep Snow vs. Light Snow vs. Ice: I will be talking about my experience with winter tires, which have deeper tread pattern. I believe that ice is the greatest danger of winter driving. There is no more treacherous danger than that – you cannot see it (especially when it is thin), it comes unexpectedly. Packed (dense, settled) snow is similar to ice, but at least you can see it. Slightly better traction that on ice – your tires can push through it – yet barely – to get at least some grip. Light snow by itself is not extremely dangerous, yet can be very slippery when wet and hide ice below it. Light snow, or crushed ice, mixed with water is referred to as slush, and winter and all-season tires are often rated in their ability to resist slushplaning (a term similar to hydroplaning (aquaplaning)). Why light snow is usually better? Because tires have better chance of getting through it to the hard surface. At least 1 of the 4 does… For me, deep snow is the least of all winter dangers. Why? Because it is soft enough to be compressed to form a pattern (mirrored to the tire tread pattern) that provides traction. Plus you really cannot drive fast in deep snow – a built-in safety feature. Do you want to test my theory safely? Try walking on ice? You can’t? So what makes you to believe that you car can? It has 4 wheels? OK, it helps, but really does not solve the problem. Now go to the packed snow. Better, but still difficult – slippery, low traction. Now go into the deep snow. Difficult – too much resistance, but walkable – decent traction. You can try light snow now, without my guidance…

Santa Fe and Its Driving Stability: Both ABS and ESP are very good. ESP helps you to regain control faster than you notice. Some complain that “the car started to fishtail on snow, I heard breaks go ‘boom-boom-boom’, and the ESP sign lit up (started to flash) on the dashboard”. Now think what would have happed without it. Yep, that’s right – in the best case you hit the curb with a rear tire; in the worst – a tree with a side of your car (the worst kind of damage: the cars are mostly designed for front and rear collisions). Or imaging rolling over in your Santa Fe. With EPS, all it takes to regain control is ‘boom-boom-boom’ (less than a second) – and note that your rear tires deviated by (just!) no more than 10 cm (4 in… OK, maybe 15 cm (6 in)) from the projected trajectory before you got back on track. Santa Fe’s ABS works as on any other car equipped with such system – no louder, no quieter.

To see specifically how Santa Fe behaves on snow and ice, I took my Santa Fe for a test in January of this year. Driving in Kiev in some days of winter is an extreme experience by itself: Road services are not fast enough to plow snow: light snow, slush, deep snow – I experienced them all. Driveways do not get cleaned at all: ice and packed snow. The difference was that I took my Santa Fe on a suburban road that has never seen snow plowing and surrounded by snow covered lawns on both sides. So I could do some crazy things with the car without risking hitting something – I really wanted to see how ESP works and have a moment long enough to actually notice how the ESP sign lights up on the dashboard. I got what I wanted – but no matter what I did to my car it performed very well.

Hopefully, I did not bore you to death with my stories… I hope that my experience saves some costly ‘experiments’ to somebody who read this. Have a safe ride!
 
#20 ·
QUOTE (McLarrick @ Dec 11 2009, 05:52 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=284092
Even an earlier example – early snowfall in Kansas City, MO, in October 1996: I was going down a ramp (branching to the right from the highway and going then under it) on a multilevel intersection in my 1987 Cavalier. I decided to slow down – unsuccessfully. The wheels locked up. The centrifugal force pushed me to the right side of the ramp – my front right tire hit the curb, and this is how I stopped. No ABS. No winter tires. Luckily no damage.
I can picture several of those just west of the downtown KC area. Lewis and Clark Viaduct across the river to Fairfax was one of my least favorites, especially with ice. Or the 23rd St. Viaduct westbound over the river - first turn. KC used to have lots of places you did NOT want to be with snow and ice. That's one thing I do NOT miss out here in Colorado - ice storms like we used to get back there.
 
#21 ·
This article isn't exactly "on topic" but does give a good layman's description of how the SF works in slippery & off-road conditions. I was looking to see if there were any suppliers of rear differential lockers for the 2G SF (this, along with the low speed center diff locker would give great traction in extreme conditions) - I found none.

One thing to keep in mind in slippery conditions is that 2wd, 4wd, and AWD cars with equal tires & braking systems have roughly equal stopping characteristics. Extra traction to get going doesn't mean extra traction in stopping. Tires built for prevailing conditions and electro-mechanical improvements such as ABS etc are what I look for when considering stopping safety. The 4wd and AWD is important to me to get me out of, or keep me out of adverse driving conditions.

When I travel somewhere in the winter, I like to take some added "insurance" with me, such as enough warm clothing and compact winter camping/survival packs (contain thermal blanket etc). I also carry some DIY "get unstuck" gear like shovel, tow line, as well as tire chains (even though we can't use them full-time on our roads in southern Ontario - if needed to get me out of a difficult situation, I'll use the chains & take the ticket should there be any constabulary around to hand them out). Much of this gear doesn't take up a lot of room & shouldn't impede your normal carrying capacity.
 
#22 ·
Well I have to say that my 09 Santa Fe is better than a 2WD vehicle in the snow but I'm not impressed. I've always owned 4WD or AWD vehicles and this is the worst. I have 4 brand new Toyo Open Country G02plus which are great, but I wish the car would make up it's mind as to what it wants to do. Between the ECS, AWD and ABS, the car does not move. The only way to get this thing going is to turn off the ECS and lock the 4WD which isn't actually full 4WD. When you step on it, instead of engaging the rear wheels it cuts power to the wheels. Why not send power to the rear before cutting out?

I've been a mechanic for years and this is my first Hyundai. I've driven quite a few different vehicles and this is the only one that behaves like this.

Overall it's a good car but they need to fine tune it a little more.
 
#24 ·
QUOTE (Normbo @ Dec 17 2009, 07:28 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=285265
I have 4 brand new Toyo Open Country G02plus which are great, but I wish the car would make up it's mind as to what it wants to do. Between the ECS, AWD and ABS, the car does not move.
The TCS is what kills forward motion when there is wheel slippage. But it should rarely happen. Either your Toyos lack grip, or something is messed up and you should see your dealer.
 
#25 ·
QUOTE (skanji @ Dec 11 2009, 12:34 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=284015
Those who say snow tires aren't worth it don't live in Ottawa...
Skanji, I live in Ottawa and have been using winter tires for over 20 years. But with all-wheel-drive and the Michelin XC light-truck all-seasons I wrote about earlier, I don't miss winter tires one bit.

What people forget about winter tires is that performance degrades rapidly with mileage. We brag about our Blizzaks when they are new, but then spend the next 30,000 kilometers driving around with significantly less grip than we'd like to admit after spending all that money. We also forget that, even in Ottawa, 90% of our winter driving is spent on wet pavement, not howling blizzards or barren ice fields. Under those conditions, a good all-season tire offers superior handling and control compared to a winter tire.

Dedicated snow tires and summer tires are indeed best at the extremes (which is what we tend to notice most), but there's more to it than that.
 
#26 ·
QUOTE (Don67 @ Dec 18 2009, 04:56 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=285343
Skanji, I live in Ottawa and have been using winter tires for over 20 years. But with all-wheel-drive and the Michelin XC light-truck all-seasons I wrote about earlier, I don't miss winter tires one bit.

What people forget about winter tires is that performance degrades rapidly with mileage. We brag about our Blizzaks when they are new, but then spend the next 30,000 kilometers driving around with significantly less grip than we'd like to admit after spending all that money. We also forget that, even in Ottawa, 90% of our winter driving is spent on wet pavement, not howling blizzards or barren ice fields. Under those conditions, a good all-season tire offers superior handling and control compared to a winter tire.

Dedicated snow tires and summer tires are indeed best at the extremes (which is what we tend to notice most), but there's more to it than that.

I agree, I live over in cold, baren Edmonton (hehe) and winter here is pretty harsh on the cold, snowy, dry winter kind of way. I have had no issues with my Michelin XIce tires and I think they perform admirably in the snow. I have a 2010 and was on the Kumho All Seasons for a little while but it just didn't cut it, so put the winter tires on and the difference was instant gratification. =)