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2013 Accent horn problem

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#1 · (Edited)
The horn hasn’t worked since I got the car from my grandfather. The fuse is good, the relay clicks and when I swap relays it still doesn’t work. So I took off the bumper, see that there is one horn only (no second horn on the passenger side) and the connector isn’t corroded. I wiggled it and had my son push on the switch with the car on and nothing. So I unplugged it, turned the car on, used a test light on the positive and negative side of the connector to see if power is getting to the horn (two wire connector) with the other end clamped to the negative, then positive post of the batttery, respectively. The test probe doesn’t light up for either positive or negative. I noticed that there is another wire cable that stems from the one connected to the single horn, and it is wrapped up and taped off. I’m wondering if there were two horns initially and after an accident, a mechanic removed one horn and taped off its cable and maybe the single horn remaining needs to be grounded? There is no separate ground wire and idk if there should be. I’m a dummy when it comes to electric and don’t know what to do next, but suggestions are appreciated. I have the horn and will test it when I get test leads.

Thanks
 
#3 ·
So I unplugged it, turned the car on, used a test light on the positive and negative side of the connector to see if power is getting to the horn (two wire connector) with the other end clamped to the negative, then positive post of the batttery, respectively.
The above is hard to understand.

You want to check if the ground side of the EGG50 connector (locations posted to your other thread) has continuity to the battery ground. If not, you want to check if the EGG50 is grounded to location GGG50.

After confirming the negative side has continuity to ground, you want to check if 12v is reaching the positive side of the EGG50 connector.

If both are true, then you need a new horn. You can get the FIAMM 74100 "El Grande" for a 70s big-car sound (instead of the meep-meep nobody pays attention to). See
 
#4 ·
The test probe doesn’t light up for either positive or negative.
From that it sounds to me like the horn ground is bad. Connecting the test light clip to battery positive and probing the black wire's terminal on the horn connector should cause the test light to illuminate.

Connecting the test light clip to battery negative and probing the red wire's terminal wouldn't illuminate the test light, because there wouldn't be any power being supplied to the horn's red wire unless the horn switch is being pushed, or you temporarily bypass the relay while testing.

Horn ground location below...
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#5 ·
From that it sounds to me like the horn ground is bad. Connecting the test light clip to battery positive and probing the black wire's terminal on the horn connector should cause the test light to illuminate.

Connecting the test light clip to battery negative and probing the red wire's terminal wouldn't illuminate the test light, because there wouldn't be any power being supplied to the horn's red wire unless the horn switch is being pushed, or you temporarily bypass the relay while testing.

Horn ground location below...
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My son was pushing on the horn (switch) with the car on while I had the clamp on the battery negative and the probe in the red wire’s terminal.
 
#7 ·
“You want to check if the ground side of the EGG50 connector (locations posted to your other thread) has continuity to the battery ground. If not, you want to check if the EGG50 is grounded to location GGG50”

i put the positive test light clamp on battery positive and the probe in the ground side of the EGG50 connector with the car on and it didn’t light up. I also put the test light negative clamp on battery negative and out the probe in the positive side of the connector with my son pushing on the horn and that didn’t light up either. I took the horn off and home with me and am waiting for test leads to arrive via Amazon tomorrow. I will then test the horn using my car battery tomorrow.
 
#9 ·
i put the positive test light clamp on battery positive and the probe in the ground side of the EGG50 connector with the car on and it didn’t light up.
You've probably got this correct, but the EGG50 horn connector should have a red and black wire. Red is 12v from the relay. Black is grounded to the GGG01 ground location. (If you were touching the wrong pin in the connector, that could explain why the test light didn't work.).

If it were me, I would test for continuity from the EGG50 black pin to the GGG01 end of the wire where it grounds. I.e., make sure that part of the wiring harness isn't broken. If you get zero ohms touching those two ends of the wire, then test if you get zero ohms touching EGG50's black pin and any bare metal (including the battery negative post). This would verify that GGG01 is making contact with metal (common ground). There have been assertions that Hyundai's grounding isn't very good. Plus, you mentioned a spare wire hanging loose. Maybe that's GGG01?

Maybe you can accomplish that with the test light. I don't have a test light. Maybe I'm just unfamiliar with how to use one. To me, a multi-meter to test continuity would be clearer.

I also put the test light negative clamp on battery negative and out the probe in the positive side of the connector with my son pushing on the horn and that didn’t light up either.
Did you check the 10amp horn fuse under the dash? That was mentioned in your other thread. I know you're confident that the relay is being energized. But, maybe you're hearing something else?

You can also pull the relay and test it's pinout to see that 12v is reaching the relay when the horn is pushed. This is the relay socket:
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You want to check both pin 1 & 5. (#1 energizes the relay's coil. #5 passes through the relay's contact to the horn via #2). 1 & 5 should have 12v when the horn is pressed.

So far, what you're describing is a wiring harness problem. This shows the harness from the relay box to the horn (and to the ground point):

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I could understand a broken harness in the sense of the ground not having continuity. Or, the positive wire being broken. The odds of both being broken (which is what you're describing) seems unlikely. That's why I would go further back to the relay and make sure it's really getting 12v, passing 12v.

Checking/fixing the ground from the horn's connector should be easy. That's all right there near the horn location.

You can unwrap the branch of the wiring harness to expose the individual wires. Use a sewing pin to push through the insulation of a specific wire, and test for 12v (and ground continuity) there. That would eliminate whether the EGG50 connector is bad. (Same thing with the GGG01. Unwrap it back a little, test if you have continuity from the EGG50's black pin to the wire terminating at GGG01. If you do, but don't have continuity at the lug, then something's wrong with that GGG01 connector. Like I said above: the next thing would be to ensure GGG01 is making contact with metal -- has continuity to any bare metal or the batter negative post.).

You need to rule things in and out. It's just confusing because you apparently have not just a power or ground problem. You have both. You need to focus on one at a time, and narrow down where the failure is happening.

I took the horn off and home with me and am waiting for test leads to arrive via Amazon tomorrow. I will then test the horn using my car battery tomorrow.
Personally, I wouldn't waste my time testing the horn if you're not getting 12v to the EGG50 connector, nor ground from that connector. It wouldn't hurt to test it. But, the odds of having a broken horn on top of not getting power to the horn (and, on top of not having a ground) seems very unlikely. I think it's very unlikely to have both the no-power and no-ground problems together.

Now that you've got your bumper off, I would seriously consider buying that Fiamm El Grande horn. It's a polyphonic (two-horn) sound. People hear that and they think it's a full-size Chrysler from 1973. There's videos on YouTube showing what it sounds like. I've wanted to do it to my Accent, but haven't been motivated to remove the bumper. If I had to remove the bumper for something else, I'd definitely do it.
 
#11 ·
Just wondering, ...
Did you try swapping horn relay??
Test connector with volt meter for power (remember relay must be turned on)
Check power to relay socket in fuse box
Check fuse
Clean ground points

Good luck

Note: Computer safe test lights do not load the test circuit due to the use of LEDs
This can complicate testing if there is a factor of high resistance or corrosion in the circuit.
 
#12 ·
I did take out the horn relay and swap in the starter relay with the car ignition on (obviously not started) and the horn didn’t work when pressed The relay does click though.

The 10 amp horn fuse is good. I may have to get a volt meter, and didn’t realize that about the computer safe test lights (LEDs).
Thanks!