I have just purchased a new hyundai i10, and it has problems recognising the national speed limit, its fine in town but as soon as you get on duel carriageway or motorway it still thinks in town, and has an annoying bleeding. My dealer says Hyundai head office has still not given them any instructions, as to how to fix it, has anyone else been told what to do!?
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Recent Hyundai cars have hidden Dealer and Engineering Modes accessed through the information display (GOOGLE-search on hyundai cars engineering mode for more on this.)
This capability may well allow a Hyundai dealership to turn off the audible warning element of a current i10's speed-limit warning system fairly easily, but it won't address the system's apparent inability to recognise the UK's 'national speed limit applies' road sign.
When a recent Hyundai car has 'navigation', my understanding of that system is that (when navigation is selected) speed limits shown on the car's instrument-cluster will be derived from the camera on the windscreen AND from the data-base mapping that navigation uses. Both speed limit values will be displayed on the cluster, but the speed-limit identified by the camera will take precedence where over-speed warnings are concerned. There's no persuasive reason to think that the system in a current i10 with navigation would behave significantly differently to that of a current i10 without navigation if the with-navigation car's system were also unable to recognise the UK's 'national speed limit applies' road sign. (As nobody participating on this forum appears to own (or have driven) the latest i10 that has the navigation option, there's no way of knowing how that system behaves.)
As I've said before, my 2021 i20's speed-limit warning system works after a fashion, is semi-useful and is not intrusive enough for me to switch it off. On the other hand, my i20's over-speed warning system does not encourage me to drive within prevailing speed limits, probably would not meet the latest EU legislation requirements and (except for being able to recognise the UK's 'national speed limit applies' road sign) has exactly the same limitations of a single-camera system that are being complained about in the related discussions on this forum.
This capability may well allow a Hyundai dealership to turn off the audible warning element of a current i10's speed-limit warning system fairly easily, but it won't address the system's apparent inability to recognise the UK's 'national speed limit applies' road sign.
When a recent Hyundai car has 'navigation', my understanding of that system is that (when navigation is selected) speed limits shown on the car's instrument-cluster will be derived from the camera on the windscreen AND from the data-base mapping that navigation uses. Both speed limit values will be displayed on the cluster, but the speed-limit identified by the camera will take precedence where over-speed warnings are concerned. There's no persuasive reason to think that the system in a current i10 with navigation would behave significantly differently to that of a current i10 without navigation if the with-navigation car's system were also unable to recognise the UK's 'national speed limit applies' road sign. (As nobody participating on this forum appears to own (or have driven) the latest i10 that has the navigation option, there's no way of knowing how that system behaves.)
As I've said before, my 2021 i20's speed-limit warning system works after a fashion, is semi-useful and is not intrusive enough for me to switch it off. On the other hand, my i20's over-speed warning system does not encourage me to drive within prevailing speed limits, probably would not meet the latest EU legislation requirements and (except for being able to recognise the UK's 'national speed limit applies' road sign) has exactly the same limitations of a single-camera system that are being complained about in the related discussions on this forum.
I have recently purchased the i-20 facelift. I have the same annoying issue with the unwanted sounds of the speed limiter. I will speak with the local dealership to see if they have a way to turn the sound off.
Until then I have found in another solution that makes things a little bit less annoying. I live in Greece and here we have kilometers in our metric system , so I went to the speed limiters options and I changed the country to United Kingdom and they have miles in their metric system. So for example when I pass by a sign that says 60 the car thinks the speed limit is 60 mph but the car convert that into kilometers so in the screen of the car says 90.
So in that case I can go over the speed limit by 30 km/h without the annoying beeping.
Until then I have found in another solution that makes things a little bit less annoying. I live in Greece and here we have kilometers in our metric system , so I went to the speed limiters options and I changed the country to United Kingdom and they have miles in their metric system. So for example when I pass by a sign that says 60 the car thinks the speed limit is 60 mph but the car convert that into kilometers so in the screen of the car says 90.
So in that case I can go over the speed limit by 30 km/h without the annoying beeping.
OK, but while accepting that the over-speed audible warning (beeping) is really annoying, does your i20's speed-limit warning system otherwise work as you think it should?
This thread has somehow found its way on to the i20 forum, but it actually relates to current i10 models (NOT i20 cars). I've mentioned this anomaly to a forum moderator who (I hope) will move it to the appropriate i10 sub-forum in due course.
This thread has somehow found its way on to the i20 forum, but it actually relates to current i10 models (NOT i20 cars). I've mentioned this anomaly to a forum moderator who (I hope) will move it to the appropriate i10 sub-forum in due course.
So I've just reported the speed limit issue to my dealership,I wasn't the first to do so it's good to know they and Hyundai are aware of the issue and apparently there may be a fix on the way but they didn't know any details or when it would be released - just said most likely I'll get a letter about it,and they the dealership will contact me if they hear before me.
I asked about just permanently turning the beeping off that it'd be offered on here to an owner basically said that it shouldn't have been as it's a requirement for it to be on but clarify I just meant the beeping as I know my parents have the same system in the Volvo and it doesn't beep who knows.
Anyway see what happens fingers crossed it's not a long wait and that it fixes the issue successfully turning the beeping off permanently or giving us the option to would be a win for me.
Cheers
I asked about just permanently turning the beeping off that it'd be offered on here to an owner basically said that it shouldn't have been as it's a requirement for it to be on but clarify I just meant the beeping as I know my parents have the same system in the Volvo and it doesn't beep who knows.
Anyway see what happens fingers crossed it's not a long wait and that it fixes the issue successfully turning the beeping off permanently or giving us the option to would be a win for me.
Cheers
This link is to an EU regulation relating to Intelligent Speed Assistance (ISA)
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-con...243084&rid=1#:~:text=In this case the system,acoustic warning shall be provided.
It says
Regulation (EU) 2019/2144 of the European Parliament and of the Council 1 mandates motor vehicles of categories M and N to be equipped with intelligent speed assistance (ISA) systems from 6 July 2022 for new vehicle types and from 7 July 2024 for all new vehicles.
Four acceptable methods of warning a driver that they are exceeding the speed limit are defined, one of which is this
The cascaded acoustic warning:
–1st step: flash an optical signal
–2nd step: after several seconds, if no reaction from the driver, the acoustic warning will be activated
–If the driver ignores this combined feedback, both warnings will be timed-out.
and it would appear that Hyundai has chosen to adopt this approach for their cars marketed in the EU. The implication is that just having an optical warning (eg. a flashing speed-limit sign pictogram in the instrument display) without having a follow-up acoustic warning (eg. a beeping sound) would be unacceptable.
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-con...243084&rid=1#:~:text=In this case the system,acoustic warning shall be provided.
It says
Regulation (EU) 2019/2144 of the European Parliament and of the Council 1 mandates motor vehicles of categories M and N to be equipped with intelligent speed assistance (ISA) systems from 6 July 2022 for new vehicle types and from 7 July 2024 for all new vehicles.
Four acceptable methods of warning a driver that they are exceeding the speed limit are defined, one of which is this
The cascaded acoustic warning:
–1st step: flash an optical signal
–2nd step: after several seconds, if no reaction from the driver, the acoustic warning will be activated
–If the driver ignores this combined feedback, both warnings will be timed-out.
and it would appear that Hyundai has chosen to adopt this approach for their cars marketed in the EU. The implication is that just having an optical warning (eg. a flashing speed-limit sign pictogram in the instrument display) without having a follow-up acoustic warning (eg. a beeping sound) would be unacceptable.
Reading this post and the others on this issue I'm sure it was said that acoustic warning isn't required and this is certainly the case in my parents 2023 Volvo they only had a visual warning from new on default settings.
At any rate if what I was told is true that a fix is coming what difference is it going to hopefully make best guess? My guess would be to fix it missing the national speed limit signs,and give us at least the option to turn the acoustic warning off permanently 🤷
Or have the acoustic warning once when a new speed limit sign is picked up instead of every time you go below and then back up above the speed limit all be it briefly by 5 mph
At any rate if what I was told is true that a fix is coming what difference is it going to hopefully make best guess? My guess would be to fix it missing the national speed limit signs,and give us at least the option to turn the acoustic warning off permanently 🤷
Or have the acoustic warning once when a new speed limit sign is picked up instead of every time you go below and then back up above the speed limit all be it briefly by 5 mph
The idea of providing motorists with speed-limit warnings goes back a long way and there's an old (early 2000s) on-line piece about it that assumes that - by 2010 - ALL new cars will have sat-nav equipment fitted as standard and that the suppliers of the mapping data will provide updates at least every 3 months. It was accepted that such systems had limitations and was well before the capability for a car to read traffic signs became practical.
While it may not be the case that an acoustic over-speeding warning is currently mandatory to meet European NCAP rating requirements, there can be no doubt that just a tiny flashing pictogram on a car's instrument-cluster- as happens on my i20 - is hardly going to motivate a driver to slow down (if the whole instrument cluster started to flash red, that would be another matter!!) and there's equally no doubt that adding an acoustic warning will augment the "Slow Down" encouragement significantly.
It would appear that Hyundai has now chosen to implement a 'basic' camera-only speed-warning system that relies 100% on traffic-sign recognition and provides visual AND acoustic warnings. The present inability of that system (when fitted to new UK-specification non-navigation i10 cars) to recognise/react to the UK's 'national-speed-limit-applies' traffic sign MUST be corrected ASAP, but the fact that many drivers will loathe the acoustic warning is likely to be academic.
I'm an ex-programmer/systems analyst and my prediction is
1: If UK Hyundai dealerships seek permission from the manufacturer to temporarily switch off the acoustic warning on new i10 cars until an official system 'fix' is available, such requests will not be approved.
2: When the 'fix' becomes available, all it will do is address the current system's inability to recognise the UK's 'national-speed-limit-applies traffic sign. The 'logic' behind the acoustic warning will not change and an i10 owner will not be able to switch off the acoustic warning permanently.
The limitations of a camera-only system are well recognised/understood and, although this type of system may well become more selective and reliable decision-wise, it's hard to see how it will gain human-standard 'intelligence' in the near future.
While it may not be the case that an acoustic over-speeding warning is currently mandatory to meet European NCAP rating requirements, there can be no doubt that just a tiny flashing pictogram on a car's instrument-cluster- as happens on my i20 - is hardly going to motivate a driver to slow down (if the whole instrument cluster started to flash red, that would be another matter!!) and there's equally no doubt that adding an acoustic warning will augment the "Slow Down" encouragement significantly.
It would appear that Hyundai has now chosen to implement a 'basic' camera-only speed-warning system that relies 100% on traffic-sign recognition and provides visual AND acoustic warnings. The present inability of that system (when fitted to new UK-specification non-navigation i10 cars) to recognise/react to the UK's 'national-speed-limit-applies' traffic sign MUST be corrected ASAP, but the fact that many drivers will loathe the acoustic warning is likely to be academic.
I'm an ex-programmer/systems analyst and my prediction is
1: If UK Hyundai dealerships seek permission from the manufacturer to temporarily switch off the acoustic warning on new i10 cars until an official system 'fix' is available, such requests will not be approved.
2: When the 'fix' becomes available, all it will do is address the current system's inability to recognise the UK's 'national-speed-limit-applies traffic sign. The 'logic' behind the acoustic warning will not change and an i10 owner will not be able to switch off the acoustic warning permanently.
The limitations of a camera-only system are well recognised/understood and, although this type of system may well become more selective and reliable decision-wise, it's hard to see how it will gain human-standard 'intelligence' in the near future.
I don't own an i10, so I don't know how the latest i10's speed-limit warning system should function, nor what capability the owner has where the system settings are concerned.
This Australian article
"Turn it off!": This annoying Kia and Hyundai safety feature is enough to drive you spare! | Opinion
refers to the Hyundai Palisade model's 'over-speeding' reaction as a flashing speed sign in the digital instrument cluster and four loud beeps, but doesn't say if those two warnings are simultaneous or cascaded. Logically, if the warnings are to be cascaded, there ought to be a delay between the visual warning and the acoustic warning that is sufficiently long for the driver to begin to slow down and for the system to recognise that action.
In principle the Hyundai system should be able to recognise and correctly interpret traffic signs that indicate an implicit speed limit. For example
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where the UK speed limit is 70mph (for not-towing cars) for the first two signs and 60mph (for not-towing cars) for the 3rd sign. As I'm sure you realise, the speed limit on UK main roads, dual carriageways and motorways varies according to vehicle type, usage and weight
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and I'm guessing that the camera-only system Hyundai fits to its smaller cars would (at best) only cope with the 30/60/70/70 speeds in the first line.
As you've suggested), if the system only recognised 'defined' speed-limit signs that showed 20, 30, 40 or 50mph, that should side-step the car-park issue.
The reality is that whoever is responsible for the i10's traffic sign recognition system may be able to address fairly easily its current inability to recognise (or react correctly) to the UK's national-speed-limit-applies traffic sign. But that's all they will do - provide a 'fix' - and the chances are minimal that the 'fix' will include improvements of the type suggested in these forum discussions.
This Australian article
"Turn it off!": This annoying Kia and Hyundai safety feature is enough to drive you spare! | Opinion
refers to the Hyundai Palisade model's 'over-speeding' reaction as a flashing speed sign in the digital instrument cluster and four loud beeps, but doesn't say if those two warnings are simultaneous or cascaded. Logically, if the warnings are to be cascaded, there ought to be a delay between the visual warning and the acoustic warning that is sufficiently long for the driver to begin to slow down and for the system to recognise that action.
In principle the Hyundai system should be able to recognise and correctly interpret traffic signs that indicate an implicit speed limit. For example
where the UK speed limit is 70mph (for not-towing cars) for the first two signs and 60mph (for not-towing cars) for the 3rd sign. As I'm sure you realise, the speed limit on UK main roads, dual carriageways and motorways varies according to vehicle type, usage and weight
and I'm guessing that the camera-only system Hyundai fits to its smaller cars would (at best) only cope with the 30/60/70/70 speeds in the first line.
As you've suggested), if the system only recognised 'defined' speed-limit signs that showed 20, 30, 40 or 50mph, that should side-step the car-park issue.
The reality is that whoever is responsible for the i10's traffic sign recognition system may be able to address fairly easily its current inability to recognise (or react correctly) to the UK's national-speed-limit-applies traffic sign. But that's all they will do - provide a 'fix' - and the chances are minimal that the 'fix' will include improvements of the type suggested in these forum discussions.
It will be interesting to see how (if) Richmond Motor will respond to your comments on X (Twitter).
Hyundai(UK) and UK Hyundai dealerships are between a rock and a hard place. It is now acknowledged by Hyundai (UK) that there is an inherent problem with the Intelligent Speed Limit Assist feature of recently-built i10 cars marketed in the UK. Whether Hyundai(UK) has, by now, warned all UK Hyundai dealerships about the i10's ISLA problem is anybody's guess, but the fault is demonstrable to a Hyundai dealership quite easily and there should then be no argument that a problem exists.
Hyundai(UK) has said that the problem has been passed up the ladder to Hyundai itself (presumably in Turkey) and that a 'fix' will be forthcoming, but it's not known when this will happen. This leaves in limbo Hyundai(UK), the UK Hyundai dealerships and, of course, UK owners of affected i10 cars.
It's been mentioned on this forum that some UK Hyundai dealerships have offered to turn off the ISLA's acoustic warning (the 'bleeping') - which would not correct the fault, but would reduce the system's irritation factor - but (as far as I'm aware) no i10 owner has reported that this temporary measure has been implemented. (From i10 drivers' point of view, I'm not sure if having the ISLA active and silent, but providing misleading information, is actually 'better' than switching off the ISLA completely every time the car is started, but there's no doubt it should be easier.)
I'm not a great fan of 'naming-and-shaming', but the more pressure unhappy owners of affected i10 cars can put on Hyundai(UK) and on the UK Hyundai dealerships that have sold i10 cars with this fault the better. It's quite likely that the part of the i10's ISLA system in which the problem lies originates in China, so a 'fix' may take some time to come through.
Hyundai(UK) and UK Hyundai dealerships are between a rock and a hard place. It is now acknowledged by Hyundai (UK) that there is an inherent problem with the Intelligent Speed Limit Assist feature of recently-built i10 cars marketed in the UK. Whether Hyundai(UK) has, by now, warned all UK Hyundai dealerships about the i10's ISLA problem is anybody's guess, but the fault is demonstrable to a Hyundai dealership quite easily and there should then be no argument that a problem exists.
Hyundai(UK) has said that the problem has been passed up the ladder to Hyundai itself (presumably in Turkey) and that a 'fix' will be forthcoming, but it's not known when this will happen. This leaves in limbo Hyundai(UK), the UK Hyundai dealerships and, of course, UK owners of affected i10 cars.
It's been mentioned on this forum that some UK Hyundai dealerships have offered to turn off the ISLA's acoustic warning (the 'bleeping') - which would not correct the fault, but would reduce the system's irritation factor - but (as far as I'm aware) no i10 owner has reported that this temporary measure has been implemented. (From i10 drivers' point of view, I'm not sure if having the ISLA active and silent, but providing misleading information, is actually 'better' than switching off the ISLA completely every time the car is started, but there's no doubt it should be easier.)
I'm not a great fan of 'naming-and-shaming', but the more pressure unhappy owners of affected i10 cars can put on Hyundai(UK) and on the UK Hyundai dealerships that have sold i10 cars with this fault the better. It's quite likely that the part of the i10's ISLA system in which the problem lies originates in China, so a 'fix' may take some time to come through.
The immediate fix is very straightforward, that is for Hyundai to revert software to re-instate functionality available in last year's i10 model;
The EU published comprehensive and quite reasonable instructions on the implementation and testing of ISA systems (European Commission - Have your say ). It is apparent that Hyundai have not tested the i10 against the EU test scenarios, and as such are already selling vehicles which do not comply with the required standards.
Before anyone mentions that we are no longer in the EU - these regulations were adopted as is by the UK, presumably without consideration of the implications on UK-specific roadside signage.
If Hyundai engineers cannot work out how to handle simple road signs reliably it is terrifying to think that they will soon be selling fully autonomous vehicles.
- allow ISLA to be turned off and for the setting to persist after engine is restarted
- allow audible volume warning to be set to 0 (ie. silent)
The EU published comprehensive and quite reasonable instructions on the implementation and testing of ISA systems (European Commission - Have your say ). It is apparent that Hyundai have not tested the i10 against the EU test scenarios, and as such are already selling vehicles which do not comply with the required standards.
Before anyone mentions that we are no longer in the EU - these regulations were adopted as is by the UK, presumably without consideration of the implications on UK-specific roadside signage.
If Hyundai engineers cannot work out how to handle simple road signs reliably it is terrifying to think that they will soon be selling fully autonomous vehicles.
Does your i20 car ALWAYS show the 80 km/h sign as 60?
How does your i20's system react to the Irish rural roads speed-limit sign?
How does your i20's system react to the Irish rural roads speed-limit sign?
Strange...
Does your i20 have the 8" no-navigation touchscreen display, or the 10.25" display with navigation?
I don't know how the latest i20's traffic-sign recognition system works - whether it identifies a speed-limit sign as a complete entity (eg. the number 50 on a round white sign with a red border) and the system includes a discrete set of images of a particular country's signs, or if it just reads any fairly large number that the camera sees and assumes this is a speed-limit sign, or uses some sort of 'smart' combination of both methods.
Have you mentioned this to your Hyundai dealership and asked if this anomaly (60 instead of 80) happens with other i20s or just relates to your car?
Does your i20 have the 8" no-navigation touchscreen display, or the 10.25" display with navigation?
I don't know how the latest i20's traffic-sign recognition system works - whether it identifies a speed-limit sign as a complete entity (eg. the number 50 on a round white sign with a red border) and the system includes a discrete set of images of a particular country's signs, or if it just reads any fairly large number that the camera sees and assumes this is a speed-limit sign, or uses some sort of 'smart' combination of both methods.
Have you mentioned this to your Hyundai dealership and asked if this anomaly (60 instead of 80) happens with other i20s or just relates to your car?
Not connected to your 60-instead-of 80 issue, but you might find interesting the two posts by "Stathiss" (who lives in Greece and owns a current-model i20) towards the bottom of this thread's 2nd page.
Have you (or can you) select Ireland as the country, or chosen the reading-numerals option?
Have you (or can you) select Ireland as the country, or chosen the reading-numerals option?
Hello All, Does anyone know if the discussed ISLW issues are also seen in the i10 N line (top of the i10 range) that contains integrated sat nav? Our local Hyundai dealer (Richmond) kindly lent us a Hyundai Bayon that has integrated sat nav and the ISLW system works perfectly!! I am wondering if the i10 (ours is the premium model) ISLW system is not working correctly because it only uses a camera. Whereas a model with integrated sat nav uses a combination of GPS, map data and a camera, resulting in a functional ISLW system? Just a thought? Charles
A Hyundai software update that allowed the ISLA (Intelligent Speed Limit Assist) system of recent i10 cars to recognise the UK's 'national speed-limit applies' evidently became available about 3 months ago. The update was mentioned by forum-member will10am on May 16 2024 in his postings on Page 6 of this much longer forum thread.
https://www.hyundai-forums.com/threads/speed-limit-warning-issue-latest-news.707565/page-6#replies
As you'll realise from the follow-on comments on Pages 6 and 7 of that forum thread, although that update was said to successfully address the original 'national speed-limit applies' defect, the basic limitations of the i10's ISLA system remained unchanged.
(It's possible that your Hyundai dealer received a software update last week that is better than the version that became available in May. You could ask your dealer if that's the case and I suggest you check VERY carefully after the update has been carried out that your car's ISLA works as well as it can.)
https://www.hyundai-forums.com/threads/speed-limit-warning-issue-latest-news.707565/page-6#replies
As you'll realise from the follow-on comments on Pages 6 and 7 of that forum thread, although that update was said to successfully address the original 'national speed-limit applies' defect, the basic limitations of the i10's ISLA system remained unchanged.
(It's possible that your Hyundai dealer received a software update last week that is better than the version that became available in May. You could ask your dealer if that's the case and I suggest you check VERY carefully after the update has been carried out that your car's ISLA works as well as it can.)
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