Is this a wind up?? Tell it to read the road signs and or turn off your cruise control.

 

I've recently had a speed limit problem too. The uniformed officer said I was going 58, but the signs said 45. He told me to stop being naughty and sent me on the way.

 

This i10 issue was discussed here a few weeks ago

Speed limit warning / National speed limit

My own i20's ability to react logically to UK speed-limit road signs is definitely not 100% trustworthy, but most of the time the dashboard readout is correct enough for the feature to be useful/entertaining.

 

I'd love to know how to disable speed limit assist on the 2024 i10. It is possible to disable via the setup menu but re-enables every time the engine is restarted. The sign recognition is unreliable and the overspeed tolerance too tight. This results in incessant bleeping from the car often when driving within the speed limit. It is so frustrating that I would not have purchased the car had I realised this fault existed. My workaround may be to tape over the windscreen camera, but should not need to do this on a brand new car

 

We totally agree and are posting our comments on X @Richmond_Motor @Hyundai_UK . The dealer and Hyundai UK dont care and fob us off.

 

This (Australian) article may be of interest

"Turn it off!": This annoying Kia and Hyundai safety feature is enough to drive you spare! | Opinion

My 2021 i20 SE Connect has no 'navigation' and, consequently, a basic ISLA system that just uses the windscreen-mounted camera to recognise traffic speed-limit signs and (when recognised) to display the result in a small roundal in the dashboard cluster.

My car's system works well enough to be interesting (and sometimes valuable) so I've never checked whether - if I were to turn it OFF via the SETTINGS menu - it would automatically turn itself back ON when the car is restarted. I have the warning alert set to 'flashing only', so there's no infuriating bleeping when the speed limit is exceeded. All that happens is that the dashboard-cluster roundal flashes merrily and silently. It may well be that, if I turned OFF the system, it would re-enable itself each time the car was started, but the flashing only' setting survives the car being turned off and restarted.

 

For the record, having checked, my i20's ISLA system IS automatically enabled every time the car is started, but the 'warning only' setting is retained - so no bleeping. Provided that a driver appreciates that ISLA is an 'assistance' system (with predictable limitations) my car's behaviour seems to me a reasonable compromise.

 

That's good to know, as you say the visual warning only setting as default on restart does not seem unreasonable. The problem with the 2024 i10 is that the default behaviour is to bleep repeatedly until speed is reduced. This is very irritating and distracting, particularly in cases where the system has identified the speed limit incorrectly.

 

The section in my Hyundai i20's Owner's Manual that deals with ISLA concentrates on vehicles that have navigation, Smart Cruise Control (SCC) and the 10'25" infotainment display-screen, whereas my SE Connect model has the 8" screen and neither navigation nor SCC.

As the 'warning only' setting is retained after my car's motor is shut off, I'm wondering if the reason my car does not chime/bleep when I exceed the speed-limit figure showing in the instrument-cluster might simply be because I've set the warning volume value to zero and (if I've done that) that this value is also retained after motor shut-off. It's bucketing down with rain here at the moment, so I'm not going to check whether that's the case until the weather improves - but the hypothesis is attractive,

 

Below is an extract from the 2023 NCAP protocols relating to speed limit warning systems.

Seemingly an additional audible warning is not essential to meet the NCAP requirement. However, I can well believe that car manufacturers would adopt a belt-and-braces philosophy and have an audible 'over speed' warning as well as a visual one - besides which there's little doubt that (unless a driver were deaf) a loud beeping noise will be more attention-grabbing than a little flashing traffic-sign symbol on the cockpit display screen.

(I've just checked the setting of my i20's 'warning volume' and it's set to MEDIUM (the choices are HIGH, MEDIUM, LOW or OFF) - so that's clearly not why my car's over-speed warning does not beep while the traffic-sign symbol is flashing on the instrument cluster.)

 

3 days ago I bought a new Hyundai i10 with this same problem. The car likes to remind me to drive at 30mph on motorways and dual carriageways. Purchased car from dealer long distance and it is inconvenient to return to them although when contacted they claim not to have heard of this problem and referred me to my local dealer (not that local). I can disable it at the start of each journey but then have to endure further beeps and flashing symbols that the safety system is switched off. Would appreciate if any one has made any progress with this that they can share.

 

The Intelligent Speed Limit Assist in the i10 cannot recognise the UK national speed limit sign - it affects all new i10's purchased since July 2023. My dealership has requested a software upgrade so that it recognises the national speed limit sign but they have no indication when this will be delivered. All owners of new i10's need to contact their dealership to put pressure on Hyundai to fix this 'software' issue. The UK Customer Service center claim to know nothing about the problem or any potential upgrade. They only escalate issues if enough customers complain! You can also log this as a serious fault with the government and they will take it up with the manufacturer - link attached. www.gov.uk/vehicle-recalls-and-faults/report-a-serious-safety-defect

 

At present (and unhelpfully) there are two forum discussions about much the same problem with the speed-limit warning system (ISLA) that seems to afflict only the very latest Hyundai 10 cars. There's this discussion and a second longer one that began a month earlier (link below)

https://www.hyundai-forums.com/thre.../threads/speed-limit-warning-national-speed-limit.705626/#nested_reply_top_post

I understand that the latest i10s can have a built-in sat-nav system (optionally?), but I don't know if the i10 owners who are complaining have sat-nav on their cars or not. And, as I can't find on-line an Owner's Manual for 2023 i10 models, I'm not aware of what Hyundai says about these cars' ISLA, nor - when an i10 does have sat-nav - whether this may be linked to the speed-limit warning system.

As I said on the other forum thread, I gained the impression that the i10's ISLA was unable to recognise the UK's national speed-limit traffic-sign

and, consequently, the ISLA continued to assume that whatever speed-limit (30mph, 40mph, etc.) that the system had been able to recognise had not changed. However, that assumption would be easy to check, as UK urban areas will generally have a 30mph-limit sign on the way in and a national speed-limit sign on the way out.

If the latest i10's ISLA is actually unable to recognise the UK's national speed-limit traffic-sign, that's clearly a fault with what is supposed to be a valuable 'safety' system and that fault will need to be corrected by Hyundai via their UK dealerships. In your case, it's the responsibility of the dealership you bought the car from to investigate/cure the fault and your more local dealership may be less interested in putting in effort. But you should certainly contact the local dealership about it as it's a warranty issue and - if they also say they've never heard of the problem - you can point them to these two forum discussions. (Print them out if you can...)

It's probable that, if any of the i10 owners who have complained about this problem in the two forum threads have had the issue satisfactorily resolved, they would have provided a follow-up - so I believe you can assume that a 'fix' is still not forthcoming.

 

This link is to a January 2020 Hyundai press release for the i10.

The All-New Hyundai i10: Go Big.

Within the text is the following statement

• [New] Intelligent Speed Limit Warning (ISLW): ISLW uses the front camera and information from the navigation system to identify road speed signs and display the speed limit in real time. The information is displayed both in the navigation system display as well as in the TFT cluster.

Assuming that is correct (and press releases need to be treated with some wariness...) if an i10 does have sat-nav and the ISLW system uses sat-nav information as well as the front-facing windscreen camera (or instead of the camera) and the system is 'false stating' motorway/dual-carriageway speed limits, the problem may lie with the sat-nav data.

 

 

I contacted Hyundai UK, this was their reply.

 

The Intelligent Speed Limit Assist in the i10 cannot recognise the UK national speed limit sign - it affects all new i10's purchased since July 2023. My dealership has requested a software upgrade so that it recognises the national speed limit sign but they have no indication when this will be delivered. All owners of new i10's need to contact their dealership to put pressure on Hyundai to fix this 'software' issue. The UK Customer Service center claim to know nothing about the problem or any potential upgrade. They only escalate issues if enough customers complain! You can also log this as a serious fault with the government and they will take it up with the manufacturer - link attached. www.gov.uk/vehicle-recalls-and-faults/report-a-serious-safety-defect

 

Hopefully this i10-related fault will now be successfully addressed soon.

It's perhaps stating the obvious, but - where identifying road speed limits is concerned - well-informed human drivers will use a logic that is (at present) impossible to match even with the most sophisticated technical approaches, let alone a basic single-camera-only system like Hyundai fits to its cheaper cars.

For example (as I said on one of the other i10 forum threads discussing this problem) I live in a village that's about a mile away from a town. Our village has 30mph speed-limit signs on all of the roads that enter it, and on the reverse of each of those signs is the diagonal 'stripe' of the UK's national-speed-limit-applies sign. When I drive out of the village towards the town, my i20 recognises the national-speed-limit-applies sign and the speed-limit warning pictogram on my car's instrument-cluster's display changes from 30 to three dashes (no reliable speed-limit information available) but I KNOW that the speed limit of the road is now 60mph. Within a mile I reach the town's boundary and there's a 30mph speed-limit sign that my i20's system recognises (as do I!) and the pictogram changes from three dashes to 30. So there's a short stretch of (narrow) road between my village and the town and this has a 'default' speed-limit of 60mph. This limit is not specifically stated (there's no 60mph road sign) so my i20 cannot KNOW this, but I do.

Now, driving back from the town to my village I reach the town's boundary and its 30mph speed-limit sign, but (who knows why?) this has no national-speed-limit-applies 'stripe' on its reverse, nor is there any separate 'stripe' sign. So my car's display continues to read 30 though the road's speed-limit is actually 60mph until the 30mph sign at the village's boundary is reached.

This sort of thing is unavoidable with the type of single-camera-only speed-limit warning system Hyundai fits that relies absolutely on reading numbers and a small set of road signs in an ON/OFF way. My i20's system would handle the car-park no-sign-on-exit scenario mentioned elsewhere in exactly the same manner, and it would not surprise me in the least if it would interpret numbers on other vehicles as speed limits. The saving grace with my i20 is that, whether the car's speed-limit warning system is displaying correct or wrong 'advice', the warning is just a flashing pictogram without any beeping.

 

This forum has three 2023-model i10 'UK national speed limit warning' discussions currently active - this one and these other two

https://www.hyundai-forums.com/threads/speed-limit-warning-issue-latest-news.707565/#post-6249795

https://www.hyundai-forums.com/threads/speed-limit-warning-national-speed-limit.705626/#replies

I notice that the same issue has been reported towards the end of the comments to this YouTube video

I have copied the relevant entries below

and it's worth noting the final sentence of the 4th entry that reads "The update will be made ‘over the air’ and will be notified by a message on the infotainment system".

The infotainment system installed in the latest i10 cars is either a 'basic' version (with no navigation) or a more sophisticated version (with navigation and other features) that is part of the optional Tech Pack.

'Over-The-Air' software updating is referred to in this Hyundai October 2022 press release

Hyundai Motor Group Announces Future Roadmap for Software Defined Vehicles at Unlock the Software Age Global Forum

and there is some on-line discussion about OTA and Hyundai IONIQ models.

Presumably all latest-specification i10s marketed in the UK that have this 'speed limit warning' flaw have an OTA software updating capability whether they have the Tech Pack infotainment with-navigation unit or the more basic no-navigation unit?

Personally I'd want credible advice from the Hyundai dealership that sold the i10 before allowing an OTA software update to go ahead (and I'd prefer the dealership to oversee the update). Of course, if the OTA update is going to be installed automatically while the car is being driven, it could well be that an i10 owner will have no choice but to accept it.

 

The Hyundai staff I've dealt with in regard to the limitations/faults in the ISLA system have shown significant lack of understanding about the technology now installed in their cars. I do not see any reference in the i10 manual or in any other Hyundai literature to OTA updates for the i10, so can only assume that the Hyundai dealer is using the term 'over the air' incorrectly. I don't see how this could work on the standard i10 without nav.
If OTA updates were to be available I would be happy to receive updates to reference data (eg. maps, lists of petrol stations etc.), but be very circumspect about functionality updates without reliable and comprehensive information on the changes.
Hyundai (and I am sure other brands) need to up their game in explaining to customers how their vehicles function. The i10 manual is pure gobbledegook in places, not helped by the fact that they attempt to use the same manual to cover different models. It is often impossible to decipher which bits are relevant to your vehicle.
If you want some entertainment, trying asking your Hyundai dealer what the difference is between Lane Following Assistant (LFA) and Lane Keeping Assist (LKA).
When we picked up our new i10 we were asked if we had any questions - I asked how the hill start assist worked and the dealer was clueless, didn't even know the car had such a feature.

 

This April 2023 article

New 2023 Hyundai i10: pricing and specifications revealed | Auto Express

includes the statement

"The range kicks off with the £15,420 Advance trim level, which essentially replaces the old SE Connect version. It offers a new 4.2-inch driver’s display, keyless entry, USB-C charging ports and rear parking sensors as standard. The i10 also gets Apple CarPlay and Android Auto wireless smartphone connectivity across all models, plus the ability to receive over-the-air updates for the eight-inch touchscreen. Safety features have been added in the form of collision avoidance assist, pedestrian detection, speed limit assist and lane assist."

So, if the latest i10 has the 8" touchscreen (and I think most new i10s have this, even cars without 'navigation') OTA updates for the vehicle's software may be possible.

 

Interesting, that's the only reference I've seen to OTA updates for the i10.
We do have 8" touchscreen, but no Nav or Bluelink as standard, so will need to see if OTA is hidden away somewhere. It certainly isn't documented.

The touchscreen unit in the non-Nav car looks identical to the Nav unit pictured on the i10 marketing website, same buttons etc. I do wonder whether we actually have the Nav unit installed but with the navigation features disabled.

 

...The touchscreen unit in the non-Nav car looks identical to the Nav unit pictured on the i10 marketing website, same buttons etc. I do wonder whether we actually have the Nav unit installed but with the navigation features disabled.

My understanding is that - to get 'navigation' - the current i10 must have the optional "Tech Pack".

This 2022 video shows a Tech Pack-equipped i10

and the 8" infotainment unit (as one might reasonably expect) carries a NAV button

 

This .pdf file may be worth looking at

https://autocatalogarchive.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Hyundai-i10-2023-UK.pdf

It shows the current three choices of i10 model (SE Connect, Premium or N-Line) and indicates that the (optional) Tech Pack is available only for the Premium or N-Line versions, and that the Tech Pack provides "Navigation with LIVE services".

The file includes photos of the i10's 'cockpit', including this one that shows the infotainment display unit with a NAV button on it.

Accessing guidance on the exact infotainment unit fitted to a recent Hyundai car is via a QR code in the documentation provided to the car's first buyer. This approach by Hyundai is perhaps not too surprising, as a user-friendly 'paper' version of those instructions would be difficult to produce.

Although there is no doubt that the latest UK-specification i10 cars WITHOUT navigation (ie. without the Tech Pack) have an issue with their speed-limit warning system, it would be interesting to know whether similar-age i10s that HAVE navigation (ie. have the Tech Pack) exhibit the same fault.

See also

Hyundai i10 Intelligent Speed Limit Warning Advisory

 

Another link that may be of interest

Opinion: will Intelligent Speed Assistance (ISA) live up to its promise? – ETSC

 

We bought a new i10 last week (automatic) from the Crawley dealership. When I discovered the speed limit problem I complained to them and showed them this discussion thread. They said they had not heard about this issue before. They checked my car today and confirmed that the issue exists and they have logged the issue with Hyundai. They have told me today that a fix WILL BE available at some point. I guess the more people who register the problem with their dealer the sooner this will be.

 

Hi. Just a quick update from me. As we were within 30 days of buying the vehicle our dealer has agreed to give a full refund. I’ll be leaving this forum now as I have agreed to buy a 2022 hybrid Renault Clio. Hopefully you will get a software update to fix the speed limit issue soon.

 

I own a 23 i10,
Hyundai UK fully aware of the issue, they ARE working on a fix, ask dealerships to contact HO for updates, I think a software update will happen, soon ☆☆☆☆☆☆☆

 

Hyundai should be warning prospective purchasers of new i10's that the car suffers from a known fault (albeit one that they hope to fix at some point) - I'll bet that this isn't happening.

Head Office have offered to permanently disable speed limit warning on our vehicle. But unable or unwilling to describe exactly what this means, so nervous that this may introduce other unexpected issues.

 

Please keep in touch, my car is due in to have the blipper silenced in 2 weeks Hyundai well aware of the irritating issue I have a feeling that the speed alert system was originally designed to operate with the Navigation package and the speed alerts could come via the Nav package. But who in their right will pay £1000 extra when you have a phone that is just as good. Unfortunately if you do not have the Nav package the speed limit alert is left dangling and reliying on the window screen camera to detect the correct speed limit which as we all know results in the constant audible alert. Maybe Hyundai might as a good will gesture up our car to have the Nav package and thus correct the issue

 

Thanks - my take is that the camera-only system in the i10 was probably acceptable whilst owners could choose to turn down audible warning to zero (silent), specify a tolerance on the warning speed, and/or turn off the system altogether. In their wisdom Hyundai appear to have disabled settings in the latest 2023/24 model which were available previously.
To exacerbate the problem the detection of national speed limit signs simply doesn't work in the 2023/24 model. Whilst this will always be ambiguous to a camera only system, previous camera-only i20 and (I believe) i10 models did actually recognise non-numeric signs and handle elegantly (ie. remove warnings until numeric signs next detected).
Your comments about the nav system are spot-on - even if they didn't want to provide mapping Hyundai could have utilised GPS to augment the speed alert system at virtually no extra cost to themselves.
Please keep us informed on how you get on with having the blipper silenced.
Interestingly the EU legislation that has triggered the mandatory speed limit warning in new cars does not specify that an audible warning must be sounded, in fact the legislation actually recognises that an audible warning could be an irritation and cause drivers to switch the system off. Hyundai have been over zealous in this respect.