WTF?!?

Is the sonata gone ?

Hyundai Sonata to give way to Ioniq 6

Hyundai Sonata to give way to Ioniq 6

W T F is right.

 

yeah right this is unreal, if i was buying now this would be a red flag given future resale values. I’m thankful I feel I great deal on my 2020.

although I will probably like this replacement

Hyundai Confirms Specs For Ioniq 6 Sedan And Ioniq 7 SUV, Both Will Have 300+ Mile Range | Carscoops

 

You guys realize they’re talking about the Korean market, right? The US Sonata is built in Alabama.

 

I doubt this will be the end for the Sonata worldwide, just one plant being cut so they can tool up to build EVs. All depends on how much they think they can grow the EV market in Korea.

That being said, I was on the fence when I bought the N Line, I only purchased it after seeing the specs on the Ioniq5 and that it would likely be out of the price range I wanted to spend and that it was bigger than what I wanted. Coming from the Sonata PHEV, I was ready to go full electric. The N Line is likely my last gas only car and I am very happy with it but if the Ioniq6 was the first EV launched, instead of the Ioniq5, I would have likely waited to buy that. The Prophecy concept, the design that the Ioniq6 is supposed to look like, is a great looking car. I am guessing Hyundai had to launch a CUV due to market reasons vs launching the sedan style.

Count me in as someone who is excited to see what Hyundai can do in the EV space, the powertrain and everything else about my previous Sonata PHEV Limited was flawless in operation, the main reason I landed in a Hyundai again.

 

yep bye bye 👋

Hyundai Ioniq 6 Could Be The Death Of The Sonata

WTF?!?

Is the sonata gone ?

Hyundai Sonata to give way to Ioniq 6

Hyundai Sonata to give way to Ioniq 6

 

None of these reports are conclusive so I might as well throw my speculation in. Given the market size in South Korea, they could likely export from the US if needed, even if only for a few years. Or, they will keep building and selling the Grandeur in Korea and end up rebadging that (it was the Azera - not sure if that is still offered in the US) as a Sonata going forward after the likely refresh for the 2023 model year. It might even just stop production in Korea but continue in another plant outside the country, gas cars are not going anywhere for years to come.

For me, I think the Ioniq6 looks great, better than the Sonata. As long as they don't stray too much from the concept (Hyundai didn't stray far on the Ioniq5), I think it will be a winner. Although, thinking that an EV, that will likely cost more than the current Sonata, in sedan form, will ever approach the sales numbers of the Sonata is crazy. Higher cost / full EV / sedan body style does not equal sales success in the US (or most of the world). If the EV tax credit gets bigger and prices drop a bit, along with the Ioniq6 being large enough for me, providing at least 250-275 miles of range while providing performance numbers between my N Line and the 1.6T versions, I will want to move to it as soon as I can.

 

There are so many things wrong with this article. Yes, sales were down. When you cannot get product, and are in a global pandemic, and TSMC has a two year backlog on product, what would you expect? I just completed a 2,000 mile round trip in a 2015 Sonata Sport 2.4L. Not only did it perform flawlessly, I averaged over 31mpg and drove many 100's of miles in areas where there was no electric vehicle infrastructure for charging. I do believe there is a future for hybrids, but the cost, range, and, most importantly, chemical environmental impact of the massive quantities of lithium required for transportation to go "all electric" will never overtake the combustion engine. That is not to say a future technology, one possibly already in development, will not replace the internal combustion engine, but lithium batteries have many, many negatives that are not being covered by the media. Example; Tesla was involved in an accident in the Houston, Texas area a few months back. Caught on fire. HFD fought the fire for four hours. Not the raging inferno the media first portrayed, but the constant reignition of the battery pack. Yeah, lithium burns somewhat like magnesium, but for a very long time, and while outgassing toxic fumes. Incredible energy by volume, but not the "miracle energy" marketing would have you believe.

 

Agreed. It is just one of many available technologies that can act as an alternative to fuel for many people and use cases. I know I could go electric based on previous experience in my Sonata plug in hybrid and the fact that I rarely require more than 100 miles of range per day and can charge at home. Preferably, I would have 250 - 300 miles of range which is enough for me if I wanted to take the car to all of my normal activities and go away for a night without worrying about charging. I drive at least 65 miles per day (more than double the national average) and typically add on another 15-20 miles nightly for kid sports activities. Add in colder winters which does reduce range, really looking at an advertised rate of 100 miles before being charged.
No matter what, until larger infrastructure changes are made, one of our two vehicles will be gas powered - either full gasoline or a hybrid, but I can easily see swapping one for an EV the next time I am in the market, even if just for the novelty of it. When I ran my PHEV, fuel costs (gas in hybrid mode vs actual miles in EV mode) were a wash between 87 octane and electricity since electric rates are so high in the Boston area ($0.25-$0.26 per kwh) and 87 was relatively cheap the last several years. Now that gasoline costs are back up to just under $3, EV might be cheaper to operate by pennies a day. A good hybrid will beat the cost per mile of most EVs in my area, based on my nearly 5 years of experience. But, cars are hardly ever purchased rationally, a lot of emotion and planning for the worst possible use case for you or your family is factored in since the vehicle has to do everything you want it to do even if 99% of the time it is a commuting/family appliance.