QUOTE (black318i @ Jun 17 2011, 12:18 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=462356

I'm guessing it's a turbo diesel.

Yep. Ford F350. Truthfully, I just crossed 410k on my drive back from Charlottesville, VA. But, the inline 6 325i with 227k miles is also faster than the Sonata. The '06 Silverado with 40k is also faster, but it is lightly modded.

I, too, have done plenty of mods in the 31 vehicles i have owned. From superchargers to cams to exhaust systems and dyno tuning ( someone else does the tuning ) By themselves, intakes and exhausts are the least bang for your buck. For the cost, to say they are performance mods, is almost crazy. Even more so on a four banger. For intakes, I look at them as an apperance mod. In many cases, they make the under hood look nicer. Exhaust? Well that just sounds great. But, in my opinion, 95% of four cylinders sound like garbage.

Decent deal? $250 for intake and $300 exhaust set-up. $550 and we still have a slow four door, four cylinder. Can make her "breath better" all we want, when the rubber meets the road, it will still will be slower than a Civic. I love the sonata for all that it is, but I know what it is.

 

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: ^ You can't be serious.


Just FYI .... This intake is for the Turbo Sonata only. Will not work for the 2.4L engine.

 

QUOTE (destro @ Jun 17 2011, 06:09 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=462776

By themselves, intakes and exhausts are the least bang for your buck. For the cost, to say they are performance mods, is almost crazy. Even more so on a four banger. For intakes, I look at them as an apperance mod. In many cases, they make the under hood look nicer. Exhaust? Well that just sounds great. But, in my opinion, 95% of four cylinders sound like garbage.

Decent deal? $250 for intake and $300 exhaust set-up. $550 and we still have a slow four door, four cylinder. Can make her "breath better" all we want, when the rubber meets the road, it will still will be slower than a Civic. I love the sonata for all that it is, but I know what it is.

I don't know whether to smack MY forehead and say "Is this guy serious?" or to want to smack YOU in the face and say "Are you on crack?"

....I think you should just leave this Forum.....or at least this Thread.

Seriously.

-_-;;

 

Yeah this guy has to be out of his mind! You know what I think he sounds like a troll big time!

 

QUOTE (YoshiFD3S @ Jun 17 2011, 09:34 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=462787

I don't know whether to smack MY forehead and say "Is this guy serious?" or to want to smack YOU in the face and say "Are you on crack?"

....I think you should just leave this Forum.....or at least this Thread.

Seriously.

-_-;;

You'd do neither. Much like these bolt ons. Like I said, I have and still do have aftermarket intakes and exhausts, but I know what they do and don't do. The car will still be slow. "peppy," is the best it will do. Until you get into the top end and get tuned, you'll still be pretty **** slow and under powered. The reason why I got the Sonata, and many others did, is styling and fuel economy.

Hate to see people who may spend money on something and not getting what they expect. Hey, if you think it looks great, go for it. If you think you will beat grandma's Buick Regal off the line, you are in a fantasy world. fit into the class of people who take up track time with their bolt on mods as they go screeching to a 13.5 second quarter.

It's a grocery getter. Insist that you want it faster? Time will bring in things to do that with. The $500 you spend now will get you leaps and bounds further down the road when actual performance adders come out.

Some people are stuck in their fantasy world of these items that make their vehicle faster. They want to and need to believe they are right. Easy horsepower. Better torque. At what cost?

Do what you feel. Stay angry. Believe it is so much faster. Just hope others actually know what they are getting into before they drop coin into something like this. See you in a throttle body spacer thread. :thumbsup:

 

Throttle body spacer insult...

Cute.

First off, no one here is expecting outrageous gains FROM a 3" full exhaust system, nor from my intake, or from an upgraded FMIC, etc.

However, a 20-25hp hp/tq gain is nothing to sneeze at, quite frankly. That's $200, $300, or $500 well spent to many.

Go enjoy your "grocery go-getter" and GTFO out this thread, with your ignorant, baseless, factless, negative, and dissuasive OPINIONS.

Do you even own the 2.0T?

Yes, there are those among us who would like to get more power out of this car, so that it becomes MORE than just a "grocery go-getter".

You say in 1 sentence how "experienced" you are with intakes, exhausts, etc....yet then you claim they do absolutely nothing but "look good" or "sound good".

Is that why you bought them, then? THAT sounds like a more laughable "reason" to spend a couple hundred dollars, then if you were purchased those parts for their claimed horsepower/torque gains.

I don't even know what kind of point you're trying to make by being in this thread.

Are you just trying to dissuade people or something?

We're ALL aware of the limitations on ANY modifications due to the ECU's inability to cooperate, and with that said, that's why many of us are waiting until that solution is found, so that we can then get more out of said modifications.

However, whether the ECU is a factor or not....there many of us here who would like to achieve those 15, 20, 25hp gains from some aftermarket performance components.

When you add it all up, it's VERY plausible to achieve 300hp @ the wheels in this car, once an air/fuel tuning option or ECU "reflash" becomes available.

I'm sure many of us here would be quite satisfied to have a 13.5 or faster "grocery go-getter".

I'll ask you one more time, politely this time:

You're dereailing my thread, and your opinions are no longer welcome here.

Please leave.

 

Just giving people real information. You will not pull 25 hp with an intake. Plain and simple. I just invite you and anyone else to go to any site with performance vehicles. Camaro, Covette, Mustang, BMW, Audi, 1/4 racers, performance trucks, etc. Post up or ask about 20+HP gains on an intake. Take advice from people who actually indepently test and spend thousands on real performance. in the world of actual fast cars, CAis are laughed at for the claims. Never see a real powerful vehicles list a filter or intake in their sigs as a performance mod.

As you notice, none of the brands I mentioned are Asian automakers. It's sad that it is the what Hyundai owners are lumping themselves in with. Guys with fart can exhausts and windows covered with stickers of companies that convince people that "you too can can 25HP with just a screwdriver and hose clamps." Vehicles and brands that are actually producing speed, horsepower and torque don't value these "mods" as the rice burners do. ( One of the best bumper stickers I saw at the track: "My lugnuts require more torque than your vehicle produces."

The reason I can spend money on the looks and sound is because I can afford to do it. I know what it can and cannot do. People pay thousands for paint, so be it. I love a nice sounding exhaust set up and buy them. I don't claim it adds X HP because that is the least of what it or the intake do. All the "quick mods" involve the beginning and the end of air. Intake and exhaust. The heart of a vehicle, the middle, you're not doing with a screwdriver and rachet, so "seat of their pants" racers aren't tried to be sold on any of those things. Eliminate the rev limiter, torque managemnet, speed limiter, a/f tables and then you can add other stuff to supplement.

Not trying to "derail" your thread. But it is the internet forum. As a member of a few and Moderator of one, I can say that people aren't allowed to post up and have no one disagree with them or question them. Maybe you wanted the thread to show off and get pats on the back and people to think, "wow that thing is fast, I envy him so much." Doesn't always work that way. Sure, more so on a site like this, where some may not know better, but there are those of us who know, as a standalone, a CAI is expensive mod for it's lack of power.

As I said, If you like how it looks ( even with those welds ) then get it. Would not question that. To each their own.Just don't want to see people spend $100's on something based on misinformation.

 

QUOTE (BigSlick @ Jun 17 2011, 10:23 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=462801

Yeah this guy has to be out of his mind! You know what I think he sounds like a troll big time!

He's not a Troll.
He's from the Sonata I45 forum, lurking in the Trubo section cause he's focking mad he's a performance guy and is stuck in his 2.4L. :thumbsup:

 

I got 2.4 because I like it better. I have performance vehicles and pick up trucks. My three oldest and two highest mileage vehicle can still out perform any 2.0 turbo Sonata. I didn't fool myself into thinking a four cylinder Hyundai was near performance. The Sonata looks great and gets great mileage. The Sonata is the second slowest vehicle I have ever owned and I still love it.

Don't play big wang about having a turbo, because my turbos are bigger. :banana:

 

Hey destro your not getting the point of why we're saying your on crack.

First and foremost, your opinions are not even based on our turbo motors! You and all your buddies in the 2.4 forums did buy your car for style and whatever else. We also bought the sonata for that, but we opted for the turbo so that we could have 275 HP in the same beautiful car!

Why is it that your 2.4 sonata is so **** slow to you? I drove one and its got some pep to it. You keep saying that it won't take a grandmas old Buick off the line for some crazy reason, when it definitely will. It will also destroy a civic, the same car that you say it will be slower than even with some mods.

You know nothing about our cars in this forum so why are you in here commenting about how slow your 2.4 is? We don't really sympathise with you cause you made the decision not to get the turbo yourself.

Sure in a 500 HP car 15 or 20 HP is nothing, but in a car like ours you might actually even feel a little difference in the power. We don't have a reflash or much of any mods available yet, so most of us are dying to do whatever we can to get more power out of our cars. If that means I gotta spend $200 to make 20 HP I'm in!

When its said and done, our cars are gonna be making a lot of power. It's only a matter of time that more and more companies are gonna come out with performance parts.

It's obvious that you hate the rice racers at the track. That could be cause you got spanked by more than a few of those front wheel drive, spooling, fart can having cars!!! Lmfao!!! Honestly I don't like them either, but not anymore than I don't like people with their massive pollution making diesel trucks that aren't even that fast!! Go race any real car out there and you get waxed every single time, all the while your going down the track making tons of nasty pollution filled black smoke. If you wanna be fast, why don't you get a real race car instead of a slow **** diesel truck? Practice what you preach buddy!

 

Yes, my 2.4 is slow. So is the 2.0, but that is not what they are built for. Want a picture of my two garages with vehicles that will "spank" a Sonata with an intake? Jealousy over a 2.0 is not here, trust me. The "slow diesel" is still faster than the 25 added horsepower on the Sonata. ( And it doesn't smoke ). each vehicle has a purpose. The silverado is the fastest truck. Pulling the boat, the Diesel will get to the river and back before the Silverado backs to slip. Bash all you want that I have a 2.4. With one other vehicle, the e46 BMW, it beats any Sonata in every way but mpg.

Let's pretend I haven't been turning wrenches on everything from International trucks to go karts since the mid-90's. I will just give other things found on short searches.

Stock 2.0t Sonata dyno tested with more horses and torque than what is in the dyno sheet in this thread. Strange, I'd even admit. His 25hp added numbers show less power than a Sonata off the lot.
http://blogs.insideline.com/straightline/s...aturbo_dyno.jpg


From Injen themselves. On their FAQ page.

3. NO! All of us enthusiasts love to add the highest possible horsepower. If your only concern were horsepower, then why would even consider using an air filter? How about running bare to the air without an air filter at all? Because you want to keep your engine running. Even the world's top racers consider more then just horsepower. Depending on what series of racing you are competing in, several factors must be considered. If your driving on a street or racing around a dirt track, keeping your engine clean from dirt and even water may mean the difference between winning or losing the next race or arriving home from vacation with your own vehicle Vs a rental (check out our Hydro-Shield). As noted with our MR Technology, using a non-tuned air intake system may mean the air-to-fuel ratio's you are operating with are very lean or too rich; have you ever heard the term melt down?

8. No, an engine can only take in a fixed volume of air depending on the engine's size. Availability of excess air would simply be unused. The more restriction that an air intake system (filter, air box, and tubing) causes, the greater the potential is for power and mileage degradation. Keep in mind cold air is always an improvement in an air intake system. What is critical is ensuring the correct mixture of air to fuel ratiovïs as set by the OEM manufacturers.

Copied from a different site. People who actually run dyno's, in his home state of California, explaining to a guy why his intake was performing poorly.

Designing an intake is a complicated thing and its not as simple as slapping on a steel or aluminum pipe with an induction filter. For several years, companies like Injen, Fujita, etc. have been making induction type intakes that are called “Cold Air Intakes (or Induction), when in all reality, many of them have no source of cold air. In the instance of your SC430, the intake filter location (under hood) was sucking in a LOT of hot air. We measured your IAT (intake air temperature) at 166+ when your Injen intake was on. With the stock air box/intake, your IAT was at 92. That is a difference of over 50 degrees. Any reputable tuner will tell you that IATs are extremely important and every 10 degree swing can be +/- 1% in power. As for dyno charts, most of the companies dyno with the hood open and a fan blowing at the induction filter. This is a very inaccurate way of testing an intake. The flow dynamics of the entire engine bay is changed when the hood is open as the car was NOT designed to be driven without a hood. I know you are going to be bashed on the forums but most of the bashing will come from people that are “forum educated” and don’t have a clue how to properly make/tune an intake. You should challenge any of those guys with similar mods to you to race. I can guarantee you that your car with the stock airbox will be faster than a car with the “hot air intake”.

Regards,

Eloy Way
Race Precision, Inc.
7029 Marcelle Street
Paramount, CA 90723
Tel: 562-630-5966
Fax: 562-630-5968


Saying these few bot ons throw someone back in the seat is unreal. Now, if it was tuned with the parts, I can believe that. Only close to sane thing said was that with time, things will come. Someone wants to spend $300 for more performance, they should wait for what will get them more bang for that buck. 2.4 or 2.0, I'll keep the air intake coming in from the front of the hood instead of the one at the side of the engine.

 

This thread makes me laugh.

 

QUOTE (destro @ Jun 18 2011, 01:42 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=462996

Stock 2.0t Sonata dyno tested with more horses and torque than what is in the dyno sheet in this thread. Strange, I'd even admit. His 25hp added numbers show less power than a Sonata off the lot.
http://blogs.insideline.com/straightline/s...aturbo_dyno.jpg

Wait... did you really just quote whp spec and compare it vs factory flywheel spec? Really?

Also, as far as comparing to a civic... Car and Driver's numbers
(Civic found here: http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/car/11...coupe-road_test and Sonata 2.0T here: http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/car/10...take_road_test)

Show the 2012 Civic Si (manual) 0-60 at 6.3 and 5-60 (rolling start) at 7.2, 1/4 15.0@94mph, compared to the Sonata 2.0T (auto-6) 0-60 at 6.2, 5-60 (rolling start) at 6.7 and quarter at 14.7@99mph.
That's a brand new Civic, and the 2.0T which weighs something like 600lbs more, can be competitive with it stock, and that's with a purposefully "gimped" ECU tuned for driving comfort that doesn't even give full boost until 3rd gear.

No one's saying the Sonata is a race car, but to make it sound no faster than a Ford Tempo or old gramp's buick (unless we're talking GNX) is disingenuous at best. What's the harm in finding out what a car COULD do with some lovin, if people want to risk it and put their own money into it? It's not like Yoshi has said you're gaining 5 seconds in the 1/4... he said flat out you're talking TOPS 15hp increase, but a better sound, look, and "butt dyno" feeling.

 

QUOTE (destro @ Jun 18 2011, 06:52 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=462912

Just giving people real information. You will not pull 25 hp with an intake. Plain and simple. I just invite you and anyone else to go to any site with performance vehicles. Camaro, Covette, Mustang, BMW, Audi, 1/4 racers, performance trucks, etc. Post up or ask about 20+HP gains on an intake. Take advice from people who actually indepently test and spend thousands on real performance. in the world of actual fast cars, CAis are laughed at for the claims. Never see a real powerful vehicles list a filter or intake in their sigs as a performance mod.

As you notice, none of the brands I mentioned are Asian automakers. It's sad that it is the what Hyundai owners are lumping themselves in with. Guys with fart can exhausts and windows covered with stickers of companies that convince people that "you too can can 25HP with just a screwdriver and hose clamps." Vehicles and brands that are actually producing speed, horsepower and torque don't value these "mods" as the rice burners do. ( One of the best bumper stickers I saw at the track: "My lugnuts require more torque than your vehicle produces."

The reason I can spend money on the looks and sound is because I can afford to do it. I know what it can and cannot do. People pay thousands for paint, so be it. I love a nice sounding exhaust set up and buy them. I don't claim it adds X HP because that is the least of what it or the intake do. All the "quick mods" involve the beginning and the end of air. Intake and exhaust. The heart of a vehicle, the middle, you're not doing with a screwdriver and rachet, so "seat of their pants" racers aren't tried to be sold on any of those things. Eliminate the rev limiter, torque managemnet, speed limiter, a/f tables and then you can add other stuff to supplement.

Not trying to "derail" your thread. But it is the internet forum. As a member of a few and Moderator of one, I can say that people aren't allowed to post up and have no one disagree with them or question them. Maybe you wanted the thread to show off and get pats on the back and people to think, "wow that thing is fast, I envy him so much." Doesn't always work that way. Sure, more so on a site like this, where some may not know better, but there are those of us who know, as a standalone, a CAI is expensive mod for it's lack of power.

As I said, If you like how it looks ( even with those welds ) then get it. Would not question that. To each their own.Just don't want to see people spend $100's on something based on misinformation.

Ok so here is your "Real" information from other sites about real performance cars.

http://www.hennesseyperformance.com/coairinkit.html

http://www.hennesseyperformance.com/hpelotuhe.html

http://blog.americanmuscle.com/2011-mustan...ge-power-gains/

Hmm yea bolt on upgrades are an extreme waste of time (sarcasm)

Oh and by the way as a huge Camaro fan who actually owns both second gen Camaro and third gen Camaro. Exhaust, intake, and a tune are the easiest mods to gain HP. Sure you can easily gain more HP by doing more extensive engine mods, ex: heads, internals, cams but those can also be more costly and not for the faint of heart for most people. The Sonata has much more potential than currently being exploited due to it being in it's infancy. Considering it already has forged internals and also considering that the genesis without forged internals and mods is capable of running over 300whp (stock is 197 WHP)
Now stop clogging the thread with your speculation and leave it to the people who actually are interested in this topic thread.

 

:lurk:

 

QUOTE (destro @ Jun 18 2011, 10:49 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=462947

I got 2.4 because I like it better. I have performance vehicles and pick up trucks. My three oldest and two highest mileage vehicle can still out perform any 2.0 turbo Sonata. I didn't fool myself into thinking a four cylinder Hyundai was near performance. The Sonata looks great and gets great mileage. The Sonata is the second slowest vehicle I have ever owned and I still love it.

Don't play big wang about having a turbo, because my turbos are bigger. :banana:

No offense hoss but I got the lower end model bc I liked it more don't fly...I didn't get Civic SI bc I liked the LX better, give me some of that crack :thumbsup: ...replace above with any item; you just plain sound bitter and a fool. Please go back to the 2.4 forum Oscar the grouch, I do believe that most anyone with the 2.0T feels that the car has "pep"; way more than the non turbo. Please go test drive one if you haven't; its night and day.

 

So many bruised people here. As I can tell, a new 2.0t is the biggest thing that has happened in your life and any one driving anything less is below you. "Bitter?" My smallest truck costs more than twice than the Sonata, can do more, just aat half the mpg. But you guys think you're better, good luck with that. My brother in law has the 2.0t. Test driving his after Thanksgiving dinner made me go out and buy one on black Friday. That's how big boys do. I got what I wanted and didn't buy what i didn't.

Links support what I have been saying. Even they say thier product is best with a tune. They all say tune, tune, tune. There is none here. 20+HP is what he said and it is not there, period. With tune, maybe. Not now.

If he is happy, I'm happy for him...really. Guys like the look, good for them. I would say nothing. It was not until the unreal claims started that I stepped in. now, I'll step off. Next step would be to put this thread up on some other forums I frequent, with guys who do this for a living and have them tell you the smoke and mirrors that is in here. ( Kind way of saying BS ). Like Dono, Charlie Wenzel and the kid who spent hundreds on "racing lugnuts" this is an exercise internet infamy. but, I digress. Never have this problem on American and German auto websites. Why do Asian automakers cause these types of people to gravitate to them.

Feel free to PM me with any threats or questions. I'm out of this thread. The mice can play.

Been around for awhile. Reposting some of my favorites, with love.

You know you are a ricer if....

* your bright green $300 air filter is bigger than your engine.
* your exhaust system for your 1.8L is bigger than most Pro-stock cars
* you spent more money on stickers and stripes than your parents paid for your car
* you go to a performance shop and immediately start rummaging through the decal bin
* you find yourself using the excuse "yo, but you gots twice as many cylindas, dude" after EVERY race
* you refer to 50hp as the 'big shot'
* You have more exhaust decibels than your engine has horsepower.
* Your engine makes twice as much horsepower as torque
* You put your automatic car in neutral at every stoplight in order to roll it back and try to fool other people into thinking you have a manual transmission
* The dealer laughs when you bring your car back in for service under warranty, and you've only had it 6 months...
* You bring an empty Maxwell House coffee can with you to compare size when you shop for an aftermarket exhaust
* If your rear spoiler is taller then you are.
* if you can fit fist **** your exhaust tip
* You have more stereo WATTS than engine TORQUE!
* If your tailpipe extension is the most expensive mod you’ve done to your engine yet.
* You spent $5,000 on the engine and you can not out run a stock Camaro, Firebird, or Mustang
* You think Nitrous Oxide on your Hyundai Sonata puts you in the same performance league as the Chevy Corvette
* A torque converter does NOTHING for your car.
* If you think that horsepower is far more important than torque
* If you have ever claimed that switching to a cone filter has given you more than 5 HP.
* If you have ever considered installing more than one set of fog / driving lights.
* If you claim that the aftermarket cold air intake system you just installed doubled your horsepower or took 2 or more seconds off of your E/T.
* Your baseball cap is always on backwards when you drive (the first sign of mental retardation, wearing your clothes backwards... BE).
* Your four cylinder has a dual exhaust system installed.
* Your four cylinder has four exhaust pipes ("Hey, one for each cylinder!")
* If you have ever thought Hyundai and "performance" went hand in hand
* You ever claimed that high gas mileage made your car superior in performance to V8s.
* If it takes you 8000rpm to reach 30mph from a dead stop at WOT
* Flying past the person who is 10 car lengths in front of you after they have put on their brakes.. and claim a victory.
* after losing you flip your opponent off... rev your motor and fail to break the wheels loose even around a corner.
* You really want to kick my **** right now
* drive around in a $20,000 import with $10,000 in mods.. and still live with your parents.
* You sound like you're going 90, but you're creeping past 25
* Your little sister is the only one impressed with your car
* YOU REALIZE THAT ALL OF THE ABOVE IS TRUE AND YOU STILL THINK YOU'RE COOL!!!
*The bill of your hat gets caught when you roll the window up
*You still only get dates from high school girls
* If you have stickers on your car for parts that you could not point out if asked where those parts are installed

 

you claim to be a "big boy" and you bought the car you wanted, but then go on to insult the hyundai sonata with nos and compare it to a corvette?

WOW.

your funny...... and good riddance.

 

2012 Civic Si has an cast exhaust manifold so you can NOT add a header to the car. You can add a down pipe. The 2.4 K24z7 engine does not have the peak HP of the 2.0 K20z engine but it does have more torque. Honda fan boys know the 2.4 K24z7 engine only redlines at 7k so they know it's a piece of shi_t.

The YF does not have the aftermarket support Honda has but it is turbo charged. You can get real gains by modding a turbo charged car. The YF will get more gains with a custom built 3" intake and custom built cat back exhaust while the 2012 Civic Si will gain very little with modding the intake and exhaust. 2012 Civic Si will have a wide selection of mod parts to choose from but the parts will yield very little in gains. You can go forced induction with a 2012 Civic Si but your car will not be street legal. CT Engineering super charger may be your only street legal carb approved option but most will not buy it because it is over $3000.

 

This thread is getting off topic and it's starting stuff it shouldn't be. Please keep it clean or this thread is getting locked.

 

QUOTE (destro @ Jun 17 2011, 08:09 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=462776

it will still will be slower than a Civic. I love the sonata for all that it is, but I know what it is.

I don't know what yours is, but mines a friggin' rocket

 

Lots of fail in this thread. Actually just this guy VVVVV (dude, your 325i is old and slow, get over it). Boosted 4 bangers can make power, not that hard to understand, and I don't wanna waste my time on Google for your dumb***. And yes, an intake alone can gain 25whp on a turbocharged vehicle if the ecu can adjust for it.

QUOTE (destro @ Jun 17 2011, 09:09 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=462776

Yep. Ford F350. Truthfully, I just crossed 410k on my drive back from Charlottesville, VA. But, the inline 6 325i with 227k miles is also faster than the Sonata. The '06 Silverado with 40k is also faster, but it is lightly modded.

Decent deal? $250 for intake and $300 exhaust set-up. $550 and we still have a slow four door, four cylinder. Can make her "breath better" all we want, when the rubber meets the road, it will still will be slower than a Civic. I love the sonata for all that it is, but I know what it is.

(sorry mods/OP, not trying to add fuel to the fire, but gotta say something to this uneducated hillbilly)

2.5" exhaust should flow enough for our needs. I know with my Mazda (speed3), 3" DP alone (deleting both cats) funneling into the stock 2.5" exhaust was good for at least 300whp. It was actually proven that a CBE on that car would gain 0whp, as 2.5" flows well enough. I don't think we're at hp levels that will demand a full 3" TBE... I should re-phrase that: the diameter of our stock exhaust should not be an issue; not sure if there are any other restricions within the system. That being said, even if you just pull the cork out (cat, whatever you wanna call it) the turbo will spool more freely and theoretically make more boost. Same on the intake side, we have a pretty nice intake system, but a much less resrictive intake that flows into the turbo with less turbulence (ie, Injen), turbo will spool quicker and boost higher. It's been said already, but it's very obvious that the ECU is governing the **** out of this engine, not adjusting itself to these very worthy and power friendly mods. IF it did compensate for the extra flow, we should be able to get a solid 30-50whp from a few bolt-ons. The intercooler doesn't seem like much of a bottleneck, but a cooler charge is always going to be beneficial to a boosted engine (same with higher octane gas) and is probably going to prove to be one of the better performance mods without a tune.

All that being said, sounds like Injen is doing the best they can with this intake on a stock tune (same with nameless's new release). Glad to see some companies (injen, atp, nameless) jumping on board, as we need to find where the restrictions are, and cannot do that without R&D.... Thanks to the aftermarket companies, beta testers (like Yoshi) and a COMMUNITY forum, we'll be able to make some power out of this engine. No thanks to haters and people that have nothing usefull to say, go troll elsewhere...

 

Hey Destro, You are stupid. I have an 03 Terminator putting 600hp to the wheels and a supercharged 2010 Nissan Frontier running 375 to the wheels, and then I realized I drive a lot for work and wanted to get a fule efficient car. This is when I wanted the sonata as it looked very good and have a bad **** price tag. I didnt plan on getting a 2.4 or a 2.0, but when I drove the 2.0T and felt the fun it gave, i was dead set on it. So dont come in here all bitter and state you chose the 2.4 over the 2.0, if your a power guy such as me (and you talking about all your other toys, you claim to own) then you want power from anything, grocery getter, suv, truck, or muscle car. I have the power vehicles and beat the tar out of them, and yet i still want to mod and get the best performance i can out of my daily driver. Why? beacuse i want to have fun when i drive. as anyone who is into performance.

All I can say, is i do not go in to the 2.4 forums and stir up a bunch of **** about how the 2.0 is above ya'll. So doint come here and talk a bunch of **** and show your frustration for making the wrong choice. we all get that the performance increase from the bolt ons on our cars is not significant without the tune. but as a car guy who enjoys workin on the cars, we do it to do it and have it ready for the tune that will be coming soon.

So do not come back and take your scrub self to another forum because you are not a car guy as you claim to be and i feel your all **** and just want to start **** to do it.

BYE!!!!!

 

Hey Destro, You are stupid. I have an 03 Terminator putting 600hp to the wheels and a supercharged 2010 Nissan Frontier running 375 to the wheels, and then I realized I drive a lot for work and wanted to get a fuel efficient car. This is when I wanted the sonata as it looked very good and have a bad **** price tag. I didnt plan on getting a 2.4 or a 2.0, but when I drove the 2.0T and felt the fun it gave, i was dead set on it. So dont come in here all bitter and state you chose the 2.4 over the 2.0, if your a power guy such as me (and you talking about all your other toys, you claim to own) then you want power from anything, grocery getter, suv, truck, or muscle car. I have the power vehicles and beat the tar out of them, and yet i still want to mod and get the best performance i can out of my daily driver. Why? beacuse i want to have fun when i drive, as anyone who is into performance.

All I can say, is i do not go in to the 2.4 forums and stir up a bunch of **** about how the 2.0 is above ya'll. So doint come here and talk a bunch of **** and show your frustration for making the wrong choice. we all get that the performance increase from the bolt ons on our cars is not significant without the tune. but as a car guy who enjoys workin on the cars, we do it to do it and have it ready for the tune that will be coming soon.

So do not come back and take your scrub self to another forum because you are not a car guy as you claim to be and i feel your all **** and just want to start **** to do it.

BYE!!!!!

 

^ Why not just buy the intake. install. Do dyno and prove him wrong? Cause this intake is out now.