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Why does the 2018 Sonata LF New rise not have its own sub forum , I think the 2018's and soon 2019's are different enough from the 2015-17 that the 2018 Sonata LF NewRise should have it's own sub forum

The headlights, grills tail lamps, the corner of the c pillars and interior are different enough from the 2015-17 as was the 2011-14 from the 2015-17 different enough to have it's own sub forum
 

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Because the 2018 is still an LF and the same car only with a mid cycle refreshed look. Even the interior is the same other than a few button changes and lack of cd player and few other take aways. No different than when they did then minor refresh changes on the 2014's. It was still a YF but had a different rear bumper and side skirts, different grill, and a totally different center stack inside and various suspension updates.

So even 2019 is still going to be an LF until they completely change the platform for 2020.
 

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Because the 2018 is still an LF and the same car only with a mid cycle refreshed look. Even the interior is the same other than a few button changes and lack of cd player and few other take aways. No different than when they did then minor refresh changes on the 2014's. It was still a YF but had a different rear bumper and side skirts, different grill, and a totally different center stack inside and various suspension updates.

So even 2019 is still going to be an LF until they completely change the platform for 2020.

True It is still a mild version of the 2015-17 LF, though from what I have read, now it is called LF Newrise ( correct me if I am wrong, I could be wrong lol )I guess in the same way Hyundai rename the Sonata NF mid cycle to NF transform. As far as just vents and buttons, well not really just vents and buttons, The LF New Rise interior was def more then just vents and buttons. the lower part of the dashboard was reshaped with the lower dash under the HVAC controls having a wireless charging feature and also the air vent design on both the driver's side and in the center is a huge improvement , also it has a larger modern looking touch screen and the interior also received a new steering wheel and gearshift, and instrument cluster is new as well and and the back rear passenger area now has a USB port for I guess charging. You know I think it is safe to say the interior while not all new, still did receive a lot of subtle but nice updates which really does transform the interior much more then you would think. Also the seats materiel foam cushion is much more comfortable then the 15-17 even was.

oh well anyways have a good weekend with your sonata, Can't wait to take mine somewhere fun.
 

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While being facelifted, it's still the same same car. I don't know thinks any facelifted models have been their own section
 

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If you even want to call it a face lift.... But most interior changes are what have trickled down the line from the ultimate trim down into the base models. That 3spoke wheel isn't new, nor are the gauges with the larger color lcd or those larger 7" and 8" nav screens. Vents are in the same locations aside from no longer being symmetrical. Wireless charging is nice, IF your phone fits in that space. Back seat has had a charging port but was a cig style port where I have a double USB plug in there. Now you just get one usb port so someone in the back gets screwed. Lol

Minor suspension tweaks and beefing up also don't equate to a total redo enough to say it's drastically different than previous years. Like everything else, it is a refresh.

We might get a new model late 2019 as an early 2020 total redesign with the 2018 style build carrying over for a longer production still marked as a 2019.
 

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I had to laugh when reading this in Motor Trend as one of 7 upgrades to the 2018 :

Hyundai improved the 2018 Sonata’s ride and handling by increasing the rear trailing arm’s thickness to 3.5 mm from 2.9 mm, and the bushings now have aluminum inserts instead of steel ones.

Imagine that a .6mm change in thickness, that is some impressive engineering , not to mention using aluminum bushing inserts, Hyundai went all out , maybe caused 10 more people to buy the 2018 !
 
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well, Hyundai still did better than what Toyota did with the Camry for 12 years. Did the fake plastic quarter window fool people into thinking it was a new car for 2015? it sure did
 

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If you even want to call it a face lift.... But most interior changes are what have trickled down the line from the ultimate trim down into the base models. That 3spoke wheel isn't new, nor are the gauges with the larger color lcd or those larger 7" and 8" nav screens. Vents are in the same locations aside from no longer being symmetrical. Wireless charging is nice, IF your phone fits in that space. Back seat has had a charging port but was a cig style port where I have a double USB plug in there. Now you just get one usb port so someone in the back gets screwed. Lol

Minor suspension tweaks and beefing up also don't equate to a total redo enough to say it's drastically different than previous years. Like everything else, it is a refresh.

We might get a new model late 2019 as an early 2020 total redesign with the 2018 style build carrying over for a longer production still marked as a 2019.
I had a 2017 base I traded for my 18. The vents are not the same and are more aligned and center now to the shape of the dash .. The 15-17 vents are placed lower on the dash with a huge gap between the vents and the top of the dash. The vents material Hyundai used to make the vents and layout of the vents does look better now. Yes your right, now that I look the steering wheel is the same. I didn't mean the gauges, I meant the cluster shape around them is different.. Its much better looking now too. As far as USB port in the back. my base 17 didn't have that so I assumed that was new. I wish though they had carried over the chrome trim around the vents.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/43057531172/in/dateposted-public/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/43107774241/in/dateposted-public/
 

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I had a 2017 base I traded for my 18. The vents are not the same and are more aligned and center now to the shape of the dash .. The 15-17 vents are placed lower on the dash with a huge gap between the vents and the top of the dash. The vents material Hyundai used to make the vents and layout of the vents does look better now. Yes your right, now that I look the steering wheel is the same. I didn't mean the gauges, I meant the cluster shape around them is different.. Its much better looking now too. As far as USB port in the back. my base 17 didn't have that so I assumed that was new. I wish though they had carried over the chrome trim around the vents.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/43057531172/in/dateposted-public/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/43107774241/in/dateposted-public/
I see now by removing the cd player that it enabled them to shift everything upward, which also probably opened up the storage cubby more as well to allow for access to that charging mat. And it is very subtle that the cluster opening is more open.

Those vents flanking the nav tho... Ugh my ocd can't deal with their wonky asymmetrical-ness. LOL :wacko:

Trying to think about the trim around my vents... I guess they do have the metal look trim that carries over from the doors around the far side vents.
 

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I see now by removing the cd player that it enabled them to shift everything upward, which also probably opened up the storage cubby more as well to allow for access to that charging mat. And it is very subtle that the cluster opening is more open.

Those vents flanking the nav tho... Ugh my ocd can't deal with their wonky asymmetrical-ness. LOL :wacko:

Trying to think about the trim around my vents... I guess they do have the metal look trim that carries over from the doors around the far side vents.
yes the storage cubby is a little bigger, My LGG4 phone never fit in the 2017 cubby but fits now with extra room in the 2018

see my OCD was driven nuts by the vents not being center on the older dash...

The chrome metal trim around the vents on was a nice touch I do wish they carried over and the handler inside the trunk is gone. so who know. I think the 2021 model will have it all and then 2022 and 2024 models will lose stuff again lol

haha oh well I am sure the 2021 sonata will bring a lot of good and bad change


hey if the other topic about hyundai taking over FCA is true, Hyundai could keep the LF alive as a Dodge model and the Elantra as a dodge, keep using older hyundai models for dodge
 

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The Sonata Hellcat?

Honda accord owners will never be the same after challenging a sonata like that.

I swear Hyundai could take all that is good in FCA, the hellcat engines, Jeep, Ram and add in their Hyundai DNA and really make FCA products better and give Hyundai, Genesis and Kia some spice with engines like the hellcat and the 3.6 penstar v6 and hemi's

imagine a Hellcat in the Kia stinger ( if it would fit )
imagine a Genesis G70 with a Hemi

A Dodge midsize based on the Sonata and call it a Coronet
A Dodge Neon based on the Elantra
A Dodge Colt based on the Accent

I am not sure about which Minivan is better, the Kia or the Chrysler one but I think the Chrysler one may be the better one of the two so base a new Kia Sodona and a Hyundai Entourage on the Chrysler Pacifica and oh call the Chrysler minivan Town and Country again. I don't understand why FCA messed with a name that for the most part had good brand value in the name.
 

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Personally I want to See a Rio with a Cummins Diesel. Or maybe an Accent design by Pininfarina. A G90 Abarth, anyone?
 

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I had to laugh when reading this in Motor Trend as one of 7 upgrades to the 2018 :

Hyundai improved the 2018 Sonata’s ride and handling by increasing the rear trailing arm’s thickness to 3.5 mm from 2.9 mm, and the bushings now have aluminum inserts instead of steel ones.

Imagine that a .6mm change in thickness, that is some impressive engineering , not to mention using aluminum bushing inserts, Hyundai went all out , maybe caused 10 more people to buy the 2018 !
It shouldnt be a selling point, but that thickness change does help with handling. Ive seen people swap out sway bars and such with that much if not less just for that extra umph. Then again, they actually take their cars to a road course. LOL.
 
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