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WOW, THANKS Elvis!..MY 92 excel relay box is just like this, and i just swapped another relay out with same part # and everything seems to be fine now..thanks to you..where did u find this diagram??pray tell? ty so much
oh no, not good again..BUMMER!
 

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My comment was for Autospark. A relay on the starter soleniod will help if there's a voltage drop in the starter crank circuit a very common problem on older cars not factory fitted with a relay and obviously your car model had a problem in that area. So a new starter made no difference. Have you checked all the cables, connection and earth points? The laymas way is to prevent the engine from starting (disconnect injectors or ignition system) and crank it for about 30 seconds then touch all the cables etc and if you find a hot one you have a voltage drop. Be careful of burning yourself.
 

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My comment was for Autospark. A relay on the starter soleniod will help if there's a voltage drop in the starter crank circuit a very common problem on older cars not factory fitted with a relay and obviously your car model had a problem in that area. So a new starter made no difference. Have you checked all the cables, connection and earth points? The laymas way is to prevent the engine from starting (disconnect injectors or ignition system) and crank it for about 30 seconds then touch all the cables etc and if you find a hot one you have a voltage drop. Be careful of burning yourself.
I did find the starter relay on the car and swapped it out with one other with same part number..i cleaned all the grounds, and cables are good..i will have my mechanic friend recheck the grounds..thanks mystery to me.I hate to change this starter out again if its not it!
 

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I did find the starter relay on the car and swapped it out with one other with same part number..i cleaned all the grounds, and cables are good..i will have my mechanic friend recheck the grounds..thanks mystery to me.I hate to change this starter out again if its not it!
your comment was for autospark??????????????????????????????????????
 

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The starter circuit is very basic and it shouldn't be hard to find the cause. The relay would have overcome any wiring voltage drop to the soleniod so it gets back to the starter, battery, or main cables.
 

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yes The old starter was intermittent..sometimes would crank and start, other times i turn the key to start and nothing..other times it was a slow crank...the new starter is doing the sam...

Since it's a last century model, I'm pretty sure starter motor, solenoïde ánd relay are all together in 1 housing on top clutch house. Coming to think of it, the solenoïde is the relay..
If you tap it firmly with a hamer or bar on top of the starter part and try to start it again it might start. Try it a couple of times.
Do not give up!!
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Coming to think of it, the solenoïde is the relay...tap it firmly with a hamer or bar
No, the solenoid is the solenoid, and the relay is the relay. They're two completely different things. And hitting his new starter motor with a hammer isn't a good idea, IMO.

If I helped you fix it, why not...

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the original shop manual for my 92 excel says the relays are under PASSENGER SIDE..this is a misprint as location shows relay at MO5 position which is Drivers side under dash inside car. the starter relay is seperate from the starter solenoid and is the last one ob bottom far left. thank all of you for your help..something still not Kosher.
 
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