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Sorry if this was discussed before but I wanted to get members throughts on the new upcoming 2011 Optima - which more or less is Sonata.

A few random thoughts I had were:

1. Will servicing the car be an issue since there are less Kia dealers than Hyundai?
2. Optima seems to have everything I want - LED tails, HID, panoramic sunroof, heated/cooled seats etc
3. I presume Optima will be comparably priced as Sonata
4. I think I still prefer Sonata styling but the Optima SX looks really aggressive
 

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Go and drive them and then make your decision. I think the Kia's are nice but man the dealerships are thin and weak.
 

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the optima is nice , I saw it in person. looks bigger than sonata but it's basically the same size.

nissan, toyota and honda gonna have some major problems when the optima comes out.

ya optima will start at 19k but don't expect anything less than 21k msrp. there's a strong waiting list for them right now.

and no, hyundai won't do kia service. they are still different companies.
 

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Wow - a waiting list for the optima! Anyway, I guess it will be easier to decide once they release pricing and see the car in person....

Kia announced it will commence sales of its all-new US-spec Optima mid-size sedan within few weeks. The Optima will go on sale with a choice of all-new 2.4L GDI and 2.0L turbo four-cylinder engines, and Kia’s first–ever hybrid powertrain.

Kia officially announced the launch of its brand-new Optima mid-size sedan. First previewed at the 2010 New York Auto Show earlier this year, the hot-looking Optima is now ready to hit the U.S. Kia dealerships, says Kia Motors America.


According to the recent report, Kia Optima should appear at Kia stores across the States in early fall. It will go on sale with a choice of 2.4L GDI and 2.0L turbo four-cylinder engines and Kia’s first-ever hybrid powertrain.

The 2011 Optima was designed at Kia’s European and US design studios under the guidance of former Audi designer, Peter Schreyer. The all-new mid-size sedan from Kia Motors features impressive styling highlighted by a dynamic and streamlined profile that conveys elegance and athletic confidence from every angle.

Continue your read for the official press release of US-spec 2011 Kia Optima four-door sedan..

2011 Kia Optima exterior: sleek and streamlined exterior

The 2011 Kia Optima projects a high–performance yet elegant image with its unique silhouette and sleek stance that builds upon Kia Motors’ philosophy of creating high quality and dynamic vehicles that evoke passion.

The striking face of Optima features Kia’s signature bold tabbed grille that is surrounded by projector headlamps. Longer, wider and lower than before, Optima’s coupe–like profile is enhanced by a sweeping chrome arc that flows from the A through C pillars, a distinctive design motif that visually lowers the car further and enhances its proportions.

Optima’s roofline connects with its high and pronounced shoulder line that leads to its sculpted flanks and extended wheelbase. Boldly flared wheel arches and a raked cabin create a sedan with a graceful muscular stance.

2011 Optima interior

From the moment the door opens, Optima presents an immediate sense of a driver’s car. The instrument panel is contoured toward the driver to suggest a cockpit feel with precise gauges and controls for an overall sport performance experience without sacrificing comfort or roominess. Paddle shifters behind the steering wheel convey that Optima is built for people who are passionate about cars.

A high console with a short shifter adds to the cockpit perception while an available panoramic sunroof provides an open–air feeling. Offering occupants both space and comfort with a number of standard convenience features, the sedan’s chic cabin unifies with the exterior design by welcoming its passengers with lean and ergonomic seat design and effective storage throughout.

Modern standard features such as a six–way adjustable driver’s seat with power lumbar support, illuminated vanity mirrors with a ticket holder and a trip computer further expand the cabin’s luxurious qualities.

In addition to offering a comfortable cabin, impressive technology features also come standard throughout, including an AM/FM/CD/MP3/Sat audio system with SIRIUS Satellite Radio capabilities with three months complimentary service1 .

Also standard on all trims are auxiliary and USB audio input jacks for connecting with MP3 players and Bluetooth wireless technology connectivity with steering wheel–mounted voice activation controls to enable hands–free operation for compatible mobile phones.

Additional standard interior features include a tilt/telescopic steering column, power door locks, power windows, sun visor extension and a cooling glove box. Stylishly appointed cloth seats provide comfortable seating while a 60/40 split–folding rear seat offers multiple seating and cargo arrangements depending on driver and passenger needs. Optima LX with automatic transmission features cruise control and an active system for optimal fuel efficient driving.

2011 Optima EX comes well–equipped and offers premium standard features, including the UVO powered by Microsoft hands–free in–car entertainment and communication system (expected to be available in select Kia models in the U.S. later this year) with rear–view camera, push button–start ignition with smart key, dual–zone automatic air conditioning with rear vents, a leather–wrapped steering wheel and shift knob, auto–dimming rear view mirror with Homelink and compass, auto light control, driver and front passenger automatic window up/down and an eight–way power driver’s seat, illuminated glovebox, rear reading lamps, floor mats and chrome door handles. Moving to the EX Turbo also adds wood interior trim with metal accents for a more luxurious feel.

For consumers looking for even more sporty appeal, the Optima SX adds unique black leather woven seat trim, black interior trim with carbon insert film, Supervision cluster with LCD display, center fascia and meter housing, soft trim with French seams, steering wheel paddle shifters, metal pedals and lighted metal door scuff plates.

For those who seek the latest superior quality technology and convenience features for a modern and comfortable driving experience, the 2011 Optima offers a multitude of packages for each trim.

The Convenience Package (LX A/T only), offers an eight–way power–adjustable driver’s seat and auto–dimming rear view mirror with Homelink, while the LX Technology Package (with Convenience Package) adds the navigation system with back–up camera, an eight–speaker Infinity®6 premium audio system and dual–zone automatic temperature control with rear ventilation.

Moving to the already well–equipped EX trim consumers can opt for the Premium Package, which adds the panoramic sunroof with high–gloss B–pillar, four–way power–adjustable driver’s seat with driver’s seat memory, heated and cooled front seats, heated rear seats, a heated steering wheel, wood interior trim and center console and metal–finished shifter.

The EX Technology Package (with Premium Package) adds the navigation system with back–up camera and eight–speaker Infinity premium audio system.

2011 Kia Optima engines & transmissions

The 2011 Optima is available in three all–new and fuel–efficient Theta II powerplants, a 2.4L GDI four–cylinder, a 2.0L GDI turbo or a 2.4L hybrid engine.

The 2.4L GDI engine produces 200 horsepower and upgrading to the available 2.0L turbo GDI engine (EX Turbo and SX models) delivers V6–type power with a four–cylinder engine that produces 274 horsepower, while mated to a six–speed automatic transmission.

This represents Kia’s first application of GDI technology, while a 2.4L hybrid Optima will be introduced in 2011. All automatics feature Sportmatic clutchless shifting. A single six–speed manual transmission is available only with the LX four–cylinder model.

Kia Optima mpg figures

In addition to impressive performance, both engines also offer consumer–friendly fuel economy. The 2.4L four–cylinder posts 24/35 mpg (city/highway) when mated to the manual transmission and 24/34 mpg when coupled with the automatic transmission, while the 2.0L turbo GDI offers 22/34 mpg, only available with the automatic transmission.

2011 Kia optima dimensions

The 2011 Optima is distinctive, right down to its all–new platform. Optima’s low, lean and powerful stance is assisted through its overall length of 190.7 inches, an increase of 1.7 inches over the previous model.

Optima is built on a platform with an overall width of 72.1 inches and wheelbase of 110 inches, an increase of 2.9 inches, and has a low ground clearance of 5.3 inches for enhanced aerodynamics. Optima’s lightweight design uses high–tensile–strength steel to enhance structural strength while also achieving high torsional stiffness, benefiting handling, ride quality and refinement.

Additional measures to help ensure good noise vibration and harshness (NVH) reduction qualities are fitted throughout the Optima.

Built on a unibody frame, the front–wheel–drive Optima utilizes independent front and rear suspension systems. MacPherson struts are used in the front with a multi–link layout in the rear and are both joined with coil springs and front anti–roll bars to engage drivers with responsive handling and provide the utmost comfort whether the road is smooth or less than ideal.

Safety of the Kia Optima 2011

The 2011 Optima is equipped with a high level of standard safety features, as is the rest of the Kia line–up. This includes six airbags (dual advanced front and front–seat mounted side as well as full–length side curtain), front active headrests, side–impact door beams, height–adjustable front seatbelts with pre–tensioners, three–point seatbelts for all seating positions, Lower Anchors and Tethers for Children (LATCH) and a Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS). Four–wheel antilock brakes (ABS), Electronic Stability Control (ESC), a Traction Control System (TCS), a Brake Assist System (BAS) and Hill Assist Control (HAC) also are standard. [Source: KMA]
 

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QUOTE (sbkim @ Oct 6 2010, 01:46 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=361550
Wow - a waiting list for the optima! Anyway, I guess it will be easier to decide once they release pricing and see the car in person....

Kia announced it will commence sales of its all-new US-spec Optima mid-size sedan within few weeks. The Optima will go on sale with a choice of all-new 2.4L GDI and 2.0L turbo four-cylinder engines, and Kia’s first–ever hybrid powertrain.

Kia officially announced the launch of its brand-new Optima mid-size sedan. First previewed at the 2010 New York Auto Show earlier this year, the hot-looking Optima is now ready to hit the U.S. Kia dealerships, says Kia Motors America.


According to the recent report, Kia Optima should appear at Kia stores across the States in early fall. It will go on sale with a choice of 2.4L GDI and 2.0L turbo four-cylinder engines and Kia’s first-ever hybrid powertrain.

The 2011 Optima was designed at Kia’s European and US design studios under the guidance of former Audi designer, Peter Schreyer. The all-new mid-size sedan from Kia Motors features impressive styling highlighted by a dynamic and streamlined profile that conveys elegance and athletic confidence from every angle.

Continue your read for the official press release of US-spec 2011 Kia Optima four-door sedan..

2011 Kia Optima exterior: sleek and streamlined exterior

The 2011 Kia Optima projects a high–performance yet elegant image with its unique silhouette and sleek stance that builds upon Kia Motors’ philosophy of creating high quality and dynamic vehicles that evoke passion.

The striking face of Optima features Kia’s signature bold tabbed grille that is surrounded by projector headlamps. Longer, wider and lower than before, Optima’s coupe–like profile is enhanced by a sweeping chrome arc that flows from the A through C pillars, a distinctive design motif that visually lowers the car further and enhances its proportions.

Optima’s roofline connects with its high and pronounced shoulder line that leads to its sculpted flanks and extended wheelbase. Boldly flared wheel arches and a raked cabin create a sedan with a graceful muscular stance.

2011 Optima interior

From the moment the door opens, Optima presents an immediate sense of a driver’s car. The instrument panel is contoured toward the driver to suggest a cockpit feel with precise gauges and controls for an overall sport performance experience without sacrificing comfort or roominess. Paddle shifters behind the steering wheel convey that Optima is built for people who are passionate about cars.

A high console with a short shifter adds to the cockpit perception while an available panoramic sunroof provides an open–air feeling. Offering occupants both space and comfort with a number of standard convenience features, the sedan’s chic cabin unifies with the exterior design by welcoming its passengers with lean and ergonomic seat design and effective storage throughout.

Modern standard features such as a six–way adjustable driver’s seat with power lumbar support, illuminated vanity mirrors with a ticket holder and a trip computer further expand the cabin’s luxurious qualities.

In addition to offering a comfortable cabin, impressive technology features also come standard throughout, including an AM/FM/CD/MP3/Sat audio system with SIRIUS Satellite Radio capabilities with three months complimentary service1 .

Also standard on all trims are auxiliary and USB audio input jacks for connecting with MP3 players and Bluetooth wireless technology connectivity with steering wheel–mounted voice activation controls to enable hands–free operation for compatible mobile phones.

Additional standard interior features include a tilt/telescopic steering column, power door locks, power windows, sun visor extension and a cooling glove box. Stylishly appointed cloth seats provide comfortable seating while a 60/40 split–folding rear seat offers multiple seating and cargo arrangements depending on driver and passenger needs. Optima LX with automatic transmission features cruise control and an active system for optimal fuel efficient driving.

2011 Optima EX comes well–equipped and offers premium standard features, including the UVO powered by Microsoft hands–free in–car entertainment and communication system (expected to be available in select Kia models in the U.S. later this year) with rear–view camera, push button–start ignition with smart key, dual–zone automatic air conditioning with rear vents, a leather–wrapped steering wheel and shift knob, auto–dimming rear view mirror with Homelink and compass, auto light control, driver and front passenger automatic window up/down and an eight–way power driver’s seat, illuminated glovebox, rear reading lamps, floor mats and chrome door handles. Moving to the EX Turbo also adds wood interior trim with metal accents for a more luxurious feel.

For consumers looking for even more sporty appeal, the Optima SX adds unique black leather woven seat trim, black interior trim with carbon insert film, Supervision cluster with LCD display, center fascia and meter housing, soft trim with French seams, steering wheel paddle shifters, metal pedals and lighted metal door scuff plates.

For those who seek the latest superior quality technology and convenience features for a modern and comfortable driving experience, the 2011 Optima offers a multitude of packages for each trim.

The Convenience Package (LX A/T only), offers an eight–way power–adjustable driver’s seat and auto–dimming rear view mirror with Homelink, while the LX Technology Package (with Convenience Package) adds the navigation system with back–up camera, an eight–speaker Infinity®6 premium audio system and dual–zone automatic temperature control with rear ventilation.

Moving to the already well–equipped EX trim consumers can opt for the Premium Package, which adds the panoramic sunroof with high–gloss B–pillar, four–way power–adjustable driver’s seat with driver’s seat memory, heated and cooled front seats, heated rear seats, a heated steering wheel, wood interior trim and center console and metal–finished shifter.

The EX Technology Package (with Premium Package) adds the navigation system with back–up camera and eight–speaker Infinity premium audio system.

2011 Kia Optima engines & transmissions

The 2011 Optima is available in three all–new and fuel–efficient Theta II powerplants, a 2.4L GDI four–cylinder, a 2.0L GDI turbo or a 2.4L hybrid engine.

The 2.4L GDI engine produces 200 horsepower and upgrading to the available 2.0L turbo GDI engine (EX Turbo and SX models) delivers V6–type power with a four–cylinder engine that produces 274 horsepower, while mated to a six–speed automatic transmission.

This represents Kia’s first application of GDI technology, while a 2.4L hybrid Optima will be introduced in 2011. All automatics feature Sportmatic clutchless shifting. A single six–speed manual transmission is available only with the LX four–cylinder model.

Kia Optima mpg figures

In addition to impressive performance, both engines also offer consumer–friendly fuel economy. The 2.4L four–cylinder posts 24/35 mpg (city/highway) when mated to the manual transmission and 24/34 mpg when coupled with the automatic transmission, while the 2.0L turbo GDI offers 22/34 mpg, only available with the automatic transmission.

2011 Kia optima dimensions

The 2011 Optima is distinctive, right down to its all–new platform. Optima’s low, lean and powerful stance is assisted through its overall length of 190.7 inches, an increase of 1.7 inches over the previous model.

Optima is built on a platform with an overall width of 72.1 inches and wheelbase of 110 inches, an increase of 2.9 inches, and has a low ground clearance of 5.3 inches for enhanced aerodynamics. Optima’s lightweight design uses high–tensile–strength steel to enhance structural strength while also achieving high torsional stiffness, benefiting handling, ride quality and refinement.

Additional measures to help ensure good noise vibration and harshness (NVH) reduction qualities are fitted throughout the Optima.

Built on a unibody frame, the front–wheel–drive Optima utilizes independent front and rear suspension systems. MacPherson struts are used in the front with a multi–link layout in the rear and are both joined with coil springs and front anti–roll bars to engage drivers with responsive handling and provide the utmost comfort whether the road is smooth or less than ideal.

Safety of the Kia Optima 2011

The 2011 Optima is equipped with a high level of standard safety features, as is the rest of the Kia line–up. This includes six airbags (dual advanced front and front–seat mounted side as well as full–length side curtain), front active headrests, side–impact door beams, height–adjustable front seatbelts with pre–tensioners, three–point seatbelts for all seating positions, Lower Anchors and Tethers for Children (LATCH) and a Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS). Four–wheel antilock brakes (ABS), Electronic Stability Control (ESC), a Traction Control System (TCS), a Brake Assist System (BAS) and Hill Assist Control (HAC) also are standard. [Source: KMA]

I'm getting lost here. Is this a Sonata site or a Kia site.
 

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Sorry didn't mean to overwhelm some of our members here with the long post...

At the end of the day, it's more or less the same car - sort of like Ford Escape/Mazada Tribute, Toyota Corolla/Geo Prizam...
 

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QUOTE (sbkim @ Oct 6 2010, 04:48 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=361638
Sorry didn't mean to overwhelm some of our members here with the long post...

At the end of the day, it's more or less the same car - sort of like Ford Escape/Mazada Tribute, Toyota Corolla/Geo Prizam...
Except sadly it's better equipped than our Sonata.
 

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QUOTE (sbkim @ Oct 6 2010, 07:48 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=361638
Sorry didn't mean to overwhelm some of our members here with the long post...

At the end of the day, it's more or less the same car - sort of like Ford Escape/Mazada Tribute, Toyota Corolla/Geo Prizam...

My thoughts exactly. If I had to venture a guess, I can't imagine Optima being more expensive than comparably equipped Sonata. However, it seems like you certainly get more goodies with Optima - perhaps at nearly the same price.
 

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here's a optima in the flesh on the freeway, just looks so much bigger with more presence.

it's just a very ground breaking design, kia or prosche, it don't matter. the design just breaks through.

u can tell it's european influenced because they didn't forget one very important aspect of design and
that is the design of PRESENCE, it has to look strong, wide and bold...a mans ride.

unlike the sonata, which was more american in design, completely ignores the design of "presence".
it's rounded out in every corner that it look 2x smaller than it's true measurements. It's a shame
because it has a wider wheel base than the nissan maxima and the lexus ES and GS, yet it looks
2x smaller.

the black and dark gray optima's are absolutely sick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9-XW03B_is...feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QFC0wGsDpE&NR=1
 

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this topic is now more kia related than the 5g sonata.........l am moving it over to the 'other cars' forum
 

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mayasonata - thanks so much for the links and your observations! I can't wait to see one in person.
 

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If they are going to sell the optima for 21k then i'm going to buy the sonata instead. I really wanted an optima but no way am I going to pay 3k extra for it. If anything it should be maybe around 19.6k for an lx(california) since it is a new release.
 

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QUOTE (Montego @ Oct 7 2010, 03:13 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=361824
this topic is now more kia related than the 5g sonata.........l am moving it over to the 'other cars' forum
And in so doing guaranteeing that the OP's thread dies a slow painful death. Poor OP. Wanted some feedback and now his thread is buried where almost no one ventures. Bummer. I am also interested in this topic and wish it was in the "main" YF forum so we could get more input. The topic does involve Sonatas and those shopping for Sonatas. I would think threads would be organized according to topic of OP not based on posters who stray off topic. Currently there are 84 members browsing that forum. Here there is one...me. Alas, I am a noob. You are a mod. I'm now over it, lol.

Anyway enough whining. My opinions of the two are that I like the Sonata better in almost every way but the Optima has features I really want. Many of which are not even options on the Sonata. BOO! I know one member in Australia has a white Sonata with the panoramic roof. I wish that was an option in the states. Probably on the '12 models. But by then the deals will be amazing on the '11s. Heated steering wheel may not be for everyone but I would like it. Leather stitching would look amazing in the Sonata. Digital dual zone climate up front. Heated and cooled seats. Driver's seat two position memory is awesome. This would be perfect for my wife and I have completely different seating posish. The biggest one for me is rear air. I have not seen it on a physical Sonata. Nor can I find any pictures of one with rear air. Is this an option for the Hyundai? Maybe I'm just missing it. Most reviews I have seen also state the interior quality is greater on the optima (as is the steering and handling), although I do not care for the interior style. Speaking of style, the outside of the Optima looks like a Pontiac G8 or Holden Commodore. To me the Sonata exterior is perfect and the Optima looks like great styling for the late 90's. It still looks good. Bold. But next to the Hyundai I think it looks confused and dated. I also agree that the kia logo has to go. With as much as they have overhauled their image that badge needs a makeover now. Also couldn't do the red gauges in the Kia. Love the black leather interior with blue gauges on the Sonata. Basically I want the Hyundai with all the goodies that you can get on the Kia. Maybe I should just hold on to my NF and see how next year's model shakes out?
 

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Don't invest on an Optima. Worst car ever. I've owned one....It fell apart after the first 3 years. Electrical Problems, Windshield placement, Brakes, Window motor, Engine problems, Interior problems.
 

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QUOTE (fenderacoustic @ Feb 25 2011, 10:40 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=407169
And in so doing guaranteeing that the OP's thread dies a slow painful death. Poor OP. Wanted some feedback and now his thread is buried where almost no one ventures. Bummer. I am also interested in this topic and wish it was in the "main" YF forum so we could get more input. The topic does involve Sonatas and those shopping for Sonatas. I would think threads would be organized according to topic of OP not based on posters who stray off topic. Currently there are 84 members browsing that forum. Here there is one...me. Alas, I am a noob. You are a mod. I'm now over it, lol.
Wow questioning authority? You did check out all the other Sonata/Optima threads in the 5G forum. Was there something else you need to know?

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Sonata and optima both are unique in features. They both have different features , His market values are different from others. we can not compare both.
 

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Agree that essentially they are same car, and both are best in class for styling by far. Although the LA times car critic was enamored with the kia, the bowtie snout of the Kia is just too big, clunky, and the hood is too long. Its alloy wheels are too garish and and the interior stying looks dated compared to the Sonata. The Sonata appears more expensive. For the opposing view, you can just go to a Kia forum
 
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