So is there an alternative available for an accurate and comprehensive manual for us backyard mechanics who previously relied on hmaservice.com for information? I see some say they were going to pay for Hyundai's weekly rate I think it is and then print what they could. Has anyone had any luck with this? I know I always had bad luck with navigating on my vista basic system at hmaservice. I don't think I would count on doing that. I need to do something, I'm not a fan of the Helms manuals. With my old civics I would go to icelord.net and everything I needed was available there for download, now I see that service may be gone also. At least I have those manuals, I should back them up. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.