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If you own a 2011 Sonata and have had left pull steering problem, please file a complaint at NHTSA (http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/)
All I hope is that if its the bad Hankook tires, then I would hope Hyundai change the supplier. If its the Electric steering, then I hope they find a fix for that. I have seen many people (particularly SE owners) complain about steering problems. Dealers s**K!!. they never tell us if there were any recalls of even if they know the problem, they will not inform us. My dealership returned the car back to me with wheel alignment saying its fixed while they did not even test drive it to make sure it was all ok.

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- I am not implying that Sonata is a bad car. I love mine (really!!).
- PLEASE don't reply here saying you did not have any problems with you car. It makes people like me with the steering problem jealous :)
 

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So you is going to flood a .gov agency because your car is not aligned square, and you took it to some flunkie that does not know how to read numbers and do better job trimming the align to make it square and straight insted of "it's in spec"....

Post your actual alignment numbers please
 

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QUOTE (sbr711 @ Aug 27 2010, 11:57 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=352306
So you is going to flood a .gov agency because your car is not aligned square, and you took it to some flunkie that does not know how to read numbers and do better job trimming the align to make it square and straight insted of "it's in spec"....

Post your actual alignment numbers please

No, I did not just dumbly file a complaint. I did my share of research on the .gov website. There are already 10 complaints (Excluding mine) with the same issues. Even when the Hyundai Engineers were asked to check the problem, they could not zero in on the root cause. Here is another thread where all the discussion went on and pointers to few other threads:

http://www.hyundai-forums.com/index.php?sh...mp;#entry351593

BTW, my dealer did not even give me the actually alignment numbers. They said "The guy is out for lunch and we will mail the details over to your address".
 

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QUOTE (11sonatase @ Aug 27 2010, 01:03 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=352307
No, I did not just dumbly file a complaint. I did my share of research on the .gov website. There are already 10 complaints (Excluding mine) with the same issues. Even when the Hyundai Engineers were asked to check the problem, they could not zero in on the root cause. Here is another thread where all the discussion went on and pointers to few other threads:

http://www.hyundai-forums.com/index.php?sh...mp;#entry351593

BTW, my dealer did not even give me the actually alignment numbers. They said "The guy is out for lunch and we will mail the details over to your address".
And you left? The didn't align it.

Have you had them switch the tires from left to right to see if the problem changes?
 

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All right, let's end this once and for all. Has anybody that changed there rims and tires still experiencing a pull to the left? I can't believe this problem is as simple as "bad tires". Too many people are complaining about this same issue and everybody seems to pulling to the left. If the tires turn out to be the cause then we need to have a recall of the tires then.
 

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There was a newer service bulletin out ( May/July ?), with updated alignment spec's for steering drift complaints.

10-SS-008 ALIGNMENT SPECIFICATIONS - 2011 MY SONATA ....6-30-10


DESCRIPTION:
This bulletin provides the 2011 model year Sonata alignment specifications.
IMPORTANT: Before performing an alignment, check to ensure all tires are set to
the specified pressure.
IMPORTANT: Ensure the vehicle is carrying a typical load (not heavily loaded,
which will alter alignment once the load is removed or changed).
IMPORTANT: Sonata vehicles are equipped with electric power steering (MDPS).
It is required to perform an absolute steering position (ASP)
calibration using GDS after the alignment is completed.

ALIGNMENT SPECIFICATIONS 2011 SONATA

2011 Model Item.............................. Front ............ ......... Rear
Sonata (YF) Camber ........................ -0.5° ± 0.5° ........... -1.0° ± 0.5°
Caster ............................................. 4.44° ± 0.5° ...........
Toe, total ........................................ 0.16° ± 0.2° ........... 0.17° ± 0.2°
Toe, individual ................................ 0.08° ± 0.1° ............ 0.085° ± 0.1°
 

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QUOTE (11sonatase @ Aug 27 2010, 12:21 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=352298
If you own a 2011 Sonata and have had left pull steering problem, please file a complaint at NHTSA (http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/)
All I hope is that if its the bad Hankook tires, then I would hope Hyundai change the supplier. If its the Electric steering, then I hope they find a fix for that. I have seen many people (particularly SE owners) complain about steering problems. Dealers s**K!!. they never tell us if there were any recalls of even if they know the problem, they will not inform us. My dealership returned the car back to me with wheel alignment saying its fixed while they did not even test drive it to make sure it was all ok.

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- I am not implying that Sonata is a bad car. I love mine (really!!).
- PLEASE don't reply here saying you did not have any problems with you car. It makes people like me with the steering problem jealous :)
Get your alignment specs. They should give you a print out with actual and factory specs. Demand to see a copy and keep it, without it there is no proof they did one.
 

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QUOTE (11sonatase @ Aug 27 2010, 11:21 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=352298
If you own a 2011 Sonata and have had left pull steering problem, please file a complaint at NHTSA (http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/)
All I hope is that if its the bad Hankook tires, then I would hope Hyundai change the supplier. If its the Electric steering, then I hope they find a fix for that. I have seen many people (particularly SE owners) complain about steering problems. Dealers s**K!!. they never tell us if there were any recalls of even if they know the problem, they will not inform us. My dealership returned the car back to me with wheel alignment saying its fixed while they did not even test drive it to make sure it was all ok.

NOTE:
- I am not implying that Sonata is a bad car. I love mine (really!!).
- PLEASE don't reply here saying you did not have any problems with you car. It makes people like me with the steering problem jealous :)
11sonatase:

Did the dealer give you a print out of the alignment data after the alignment? They should have a record of it if you did not get it after the alignment was done. You deserve to have a record copy.

People complain because many people are not used to the newer Electric Power Steering vs. conventional Hydraulic Steering. I was not used to it at first, but I am fine with it now. It is a comfort zone that it takes time for people to get adjusted. Some are fast to adjust, some will take more time and some will never do.

I hope your problem is a mis-performed alignment. Good luck.
 

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QUOTE (hancydan @ Aug 27 2010, 03:25 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=352369
11sonatase:

Did the dealer give you a print out of the alignment data after the alignment? They should have a record of it if you did not get it after the alignment was done. You deserve to have a record copy.

People complain because many people are not used to the newer Electric Power Steering vs. conventional Hydraulic Steering. I was not used to it at first, but I am fine with it now. It is a comfort zone that it takes time for people to get adjusted. Some are fast to adjust, some will take more time and some will never do.

I hope your problem is a mis-performed alignment. Good luck.

Thanks for all the replies. I am going to drop my car back at the dealership again on Monday. Will definitely get the alignment specs and let you all know.

@snapper41, Thanks for the updated alignment specs. I will take that with me too.
 

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QUOTE (keeyu @ Aug 27 2010, 06:01 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=352395
Good luck. I already complained. The dealer had my car for 2 days. They couldn't figure it out.
Thanks keeyu. I have already complained to NHTSA and it should appear on their website in about 2-3 days. My car has already done a 2 day trip to the dealer. Lets see what they have to say on Monday when I take one of their technicians out to explain the problem. I probably also need to change my dealer. This one I go to is a very old dealership which is originally a GMC/PONTIAC dealership. Since its not a dedicated Hyundai dealer, my concern is they might not have all the latest equipments.
 

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QUOTE (keeyu @ Aug 27 2010, 06:01 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=352395
Good luck. I already complained. The dealer had my car for 2 days. They couldn't figure it out.
Not surprising. Dealers usually do not have the equipment to do wheel alignments. They usually contract out to wheel and tire shops. Ask them who is their contract alignment shops and ask if you could directly take it to the alignment shop to save you time and have the dealer direct billed. While you are there, ask them if they have the latest alignment spec? If not, give them a copy of the spec. Make sure they give you a before and after alignment spec of your Sonata.

I have seen this done before, especially with our local Suzuki dealer.
 

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12/12 adjustment.. you stuck taking it back for your free align.

After 12/12 run out, you on your own... feel free to take it to shop of chioce that does align,,, but when you look at print, you ideally want to see the numbers be good and square... dont look and see numbers that when transposed to building a box that make for a lop sided box and "it's in spec".... :thumbsup:

Out of these numbers -----

2011 Model Item.............................. Front ............ ......... Rear

Sonata (YF) Camber ........................ -0.5° ± 0.5° ........... -1.0° ± 0.5° (set front to 0.0 to -0.5/ rear to 0.0 to -0.5)

Caster ............................................. 4.44° ± 0.5° ........... (run what you got, no more than 0.5 spread)

Toe, total ........................................ 0.16° ± 0.2° ........... 0.17° ± 0.2° (easily cut them numbers in 1/2, too much toe in, 0.04 to 0.08 total front,,,, 0.0 to 0.08 total at rear)

Toe, individual ................................ 0.08° ± 0.1° ............ 0.085° ± 0.1° (see above total toe front & rear)


Out of the "spec" range........ see how much there is from 1 end to other to make for a sloopy alignment, somebody could simply look at display and with the numbers call it in spec and car still drive like dooooo doooo :thumbsup:
 

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Good luck with your claim. I have zero pull and the pull I get is from the road and wind. Not from the tires or alignment.
 

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There is another possible problem I experienced when I worked for Infiniti. A certain production run of the g35 coupe would pull to the left. It was later discovers that the jigs were out of spec during production and the cars were welded wrong, causing more caster on one side. Infiniti came out with a longer suspension rod to fix the problem. It's possible a few 2011 sonata's could have the same problem. The caster difference varies from make to make. Some have 1.5 deg of difference when other have .2 deg of differnce, but most car's don't have caster adjustments. Just a thought. I have a 2011 with no pulling problema at all.
 

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My 2011 GLS does seem to have a slight leftward pull when driving on the highway. I have never noticed it anywhere but on the highway. Only a few hundred miles on it since it was bought, so I would hope the original alignment was done correctly.
 

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QUOTE (snapper41 @ Aug 27 2010, 03:31 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=352353
IMPORTANT: Sonata vehicles are equipped with electric power steering (MDPS).
It is required to perform an absolute steering position (ASP) calibration using GDS after the alignment is completed.

THAT's the first thing to check folks. An out of calibration electric power steering (EPS) would have those symptoms; I'd check that before messing with tires, alignment, etc. And yes, it HAS to be recalibrated after an alignment. EPS SUCKS IMO, but it's here to stay folks.
 
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