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I have a Phantom Black with about 400 miles on her. I'm seeing more and more of these small, bluish, circular spots show up on the hood and truck. I see more almost daily. Some are rough feeling as if the paint is chipped. It's a daily driver, but I garage at night, and most days, not all, I park in an underground garage at work.

Anybody else seeing this? Any ideas? Help! I'm starting to freak!
 

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Looks like good info. Thanks. Is any other Phantom Black owner seeing this?
 

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No one else with a Black is seeing this? Look closely at the hood, top, and trunk, after it's clean (what I'm referring to are NOT water spots and if the car is dirty it makes this hard to see). Do I just have a lemon?
 

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QUOTE (hneale @ Aug 4 2010, 08:57 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=347034
Check the two attached Technical Service Bulletins that may cover your issue.
the second service bulletin concerns me greatly. While they try to go lengths to explain how to properly take care of the paint finish, they mention to use terry cloth towels to dry off a car after a wash.

THIS IS THE BIGGEST SWIRL CREATOR EVER!!! NEVER USE TERRY CLOTH ANYTHING ON PAINT!!!
 

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QUOTE (Garnerwolf @ Aug 5 2010, 08:38 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=347285
No one else with a Black is seeing this? Look closely at the hood, top, and trunk, after it's clean (what I'm referring to are NOT water spots and if the car is dirty it makes this hard to see). Do I just have a lemon?
you probably have typical cheap VOC compliant water based paint on your car which barely covers the metal it is on.
 

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QUOTE (NT2SHBBY @ Aug 5 2010, 09:56 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=347297
you probably have typical cheap VOC compliant water based paint on your car which barely covers the metal it is on.
Which is humorous as I just watched a paint commercial for the Sonata claiming to have better paint quality than a Mercedes CLxx (didn't catch the full model).
 

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QUOTE (Bearcats @ Aug 5 2010, 10:18 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=347299
Which is humorous as I just watched a paint commercial for the Sonata claiming to have better paint quality than a Mercedes CLxx (didn't catch the full model).
I'm pretty sure Mercedes uses water based paint too now. The in thing right now is to be environmentally friendly (i'm all for it). Being in the industry i'll let you in on a little secret. Every car manufacturer and body shop will be forced to used water based paint by the government, some states have already been converted. It's actually a lot better for body shops, though we have yet to convert, it is something we will HAVE to do soon. Cycle time of repairs is supposed to be reduced, it's supposed to be better for the environment (obviously), and everybody gets a warm fuzzy feeling inside because the earth is protected. :thumbsup:

Gotta change with the times or get left behind in the dust!

I personally can't tell the difference, I see hundreds of cars painted as you could imagine.
 

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I have a Indigo Blue Pearl it had rail dust and some scratches in clear coat. First the dealer had it buffed it made the rail dust spots worst. Second time in they clay bared the paint that made it look the best, Next time in for another PROBLEM a factory Rep looked at it and said there was a service bulletin on the paint that needed to be done, I didn't have a problem with the paint at that time but service said the Rep said to do IT! Now I have straight line and swirl scratches in the clear coat! They tell me now all their cars have scratches in the clear coat it's normal! Wish I had not let them touch the last time.I'll save the windshield, tranny and wheel alinement for another topic. Service Dept just called,guess I'll go pick it up one more time. :whistling:
 

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QUOTE (eyecue @ Aug 5 2010, 10:51 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=347306
I'm pretty sure Mercedes uses water based paint too now. The in thing right now is to be environmentally friendly (i'm all for it). Being in the industry i'll let you in on a little secret. Every car manufacturer and body shop will be forced to used water based paint by the government, some states have already been converted. It's actually a lot better for body shops, though we have yet to convert, it is something we will HAVE to do soon. Cycle time of repairs is supposed to be reduced, it's supposed to be better for the environment (obviously), and everybody gets a warm fuzzy feeling inside because the earth is protected. :thumbsup:

Gotta change with the times or get left behind in the dust!

I personally can't tell the difference, I see hundreds of cars painted as you could imagine.
I think the federal law for using VOC compliant paint was passed years ago. You can still get a laquer based finish, but you are going to pay out the a$$ for it.

my problem with water based paint is it's thiness and susceptibility to orange peeling. I couldn't give a **** about my environment, I want my car's finish to be brilliant!
 

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QUOTE (blueinasonata @ Aug 5 2010, 10:18 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=347310
I have a Indigo Blue Pearl it had rail dust and some scratches in clear coat. First the dealer had it buffed it made the rail dust spots worst. Second time in they clay bared the paint that made it look the best, Next time in for another PROBLEM a factory Rep looked at it and said there was a service bulletin on the paint that needed to be done, I didn't have a problem with the paint at that time but service said the Rep said to do IT! Now I have straight line and swirl scratches in the clear coat! They tell me now all their cars have scratches in the clear coat it's normal! Wish I had not let them touch the last time.I'll save the windshield, tranny and wheel alinement for another topic. Service Dept just called,guess I'll go pick it up one more time. :whistling:
What do you mean by "rail dust"? I'm not familiar with that term. When I purchased my Black SE, it had water spots all over it. The dealer claimed it was because it had been parked under an awning with a leaky rain gutter and water had spilled all over it. I specifically wanted a white SE for this **exact** reason because I learned my lesson back in 2003 when I purchased a black Elantra. I lived in the mountains at the time and the *first* time I washed it, I let it dry naturally and was left with perm water spots. The sales rep insisted there were no white SEs available anywhere within 500 miles and it would likely be a couple months before one came available. Granted black looks gorgeous when clean, but it's next to impossible to keep it that way.

I reluctantly settled for it the black one but insisted I would not drive it off the lot as long as it had the water spots. The sales rep said that he'd detailed cars for years before he got into sales and would personally take care of it. While I filled out the paper work, he went over every inch of the car and it looked stunning!

Then about 2 months later I began to notice *significant* swirl marks and fading of the clear coat in the center of the the hood and trunk. it almost looks like someone has gone over it with a very-fine grade sand paper. I had only used a power wash [NO brushes or sponges] and had one car wash before I noticed. There's no way the marks could have come from the car wash so I'm thinking the sales rep over-did-it when he buffed out the water spots and ruined the clear coat. Or is this more to do with a more common defect that you're referring to as being "normal"? If so this is ***TOTAL*** BS!!! I've owned several BMWs; some were more than 10 years old and there paint was incredible. I sure as **** wont stand for this kind of fading after only 2-3 months.

What are my options? Can this be polished out or am I destined to either wax the car every other week or just live with it? Please tell me there's a better option. Is it something that can be corrected by a good detailer or should I take it back to the dealer and complain? I've really enjoyed owning this car so far however, to me, this is a deal breaker.
 

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If it were my car I wouldn't expect a return for the paint problems to occur, but I would use my salesmen and go to the manager and insist that the worst panels or areas on the car get brought to a paint shop to be repainted at their cost. They all have a body shop they deal with for transit repairs. Just my two cents.

I hope you get a satisfactory outcome from your Hyundai dealer.
 

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QUOTE (Doc_V @ Aug 5 2010, 11:56 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=347320
What are my options?......take it back to the dealer and complain?

- 5-year/60,000-mile New Vehicle Limited Warranty Coverage — Covers repair or replacement of any component manufactured or originally installed by Hyundai that is defective in material or factory workmanship, under normal use and maintenance.
Good luck.
 

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QUOTE (Doc_V @ Aug 5 2010, 11:56 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=347320
What do you mean by "rail dust"?
Rail dust is applicable if your car was shipped to your region via rail. Its the associated metallic dust dealing with rail wheel brakes and what not. Its most noticeable on LIGHT colored cars and looks like mini rust spots. However a good wash and clay will removed COMPLETELY (if procedure is followed correctly) and will never be a problem in the future.

While my car surface was uber smooth as delivered by my dealer (I suspect they did clay some). Some panels were not completely passing the baggie test. I clayed anyway to be my anal-retentive self.

This is my first dark colored car in about 15 years (black).
 

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QUOTE (Doc_V @ Aug 5 2010, 10:56 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=347320
What do you mean by "rail dust"? I'm not familiar with that term. When I purchased my Black SE, it had water spots all over it. The dealer claimed it was because it had been parked under an awning with a leaky rain gutter and water had spilled all over it. I specifically wanted a white SE for this **exact** reason because I learned my lesson back in 2003 when I purchased a black Elantra. I lived in the mountains at the time and the *first* time I washed it, I let it dry naturally and was left with perm water spots. The sales rep insisted there were no white SEs available anywhere within 500 miles and it would likely be a couple months before one came available. Granted black looks gorgeous when clean, but it's next to impossible to keep it that way.

I reluctantly settled for it the black one but insisted I would not drive it off the lot as long as it had the water spots. The sales rep said that he'd detailed cars for years before he got into sales and would personally take care of it. While I filled out the paper work, he went over every inch of the car and it looked stunning!

Then about 2 months later I began to notice *significant* swirl marks and fading of the clear coat in the center of the the hood and trunk. it almost looks like someone has gone over it with a very-fine grade sand paper. I had only used a power wash [NO brushes or sponges] and had one car wash before I noticed. There's no way the marks could have come from the car wash so I'm thinking the sales rep over-did-it when he buffed out the water spots and ruined the clear coat. Or is this more to do with a more common defect that you're referring to as being "normal"? If so this is ***TOTAL*** BS!!! I've owned several BMWs; some were more than 10 years old and there paint was incredible. I sure as **** wont stand for this kind of fading after only 2-3 months.

What are my options? Can this be polished out or am I destined to either wax the car every other week or just live with it? Please tell me there's a better option. Is it something that can be corrected by a good detailer or should I take it back to the dealer and complain? I've really enjoyed owning this car so far however, to me, this is a deal breaker.
Google rail dust or clay bar. Be careful who you let touch you black paint! Detail shop my dealer used on my dark blue ended up doing more harm than good. Good Luck
 

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Well I'm screwed. More spots today, and some of these are on the back windshield, which probably means it's something environmental, which means it's my problem. It's not paint drift (if you could see it you would agree). I've parked in the same spot for a couple of years now (underground) and never had a problem with my other vehicle.

Going to try to get it by the dealer tomorrow. I just can't figure out what's causing it! The car only has 444 miles on it.
 

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Yeah, spots on the windsheild are usually a clue it isn't the paint, that's for sure.

Wonder why you didn't notice this on your previous car?

Odd, eh?
 
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