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The nose weight over here in the UK for the SF is given in towing guides as 80kg. This seems low as a lot of caravans tow best with around 90-100 kg. However, I used to tow race cars with about 50-60 kg. Also, what could I expect mpg from a 2.4 and a 2.7. I would love a V6 but petrol/gas over here is about £5 or $8 a gallon! Thanks. H.
 

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I would love to help you out as this information is listed in the US owners manual but unfortunately I am a solid 3,000 miles from my car at the moment and won't be home for another four days. Hopefully somebody else will be able to provide the towing information for you.

As for fuel consumption, I average around 18 US MPG (21.6 Imp.) in the city and get between 22 and 25 US MPG (26 to 30 Imp.) on the highway. My best tank was 30.9 US MPG (37.1 Imp.) but that was an extreme circumstance and wouldn't expect that again. Mine is a 2.7 liter with the automatic and all-wheel drive.
 

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The nose weight (tongue weight) is usually 10% of the total load being pulled, I have a class III hitch which is good for 3000 lbs so it is 300 lbs tongue weight. I drive a 2.7 and the manual says it`s good for it. I am assuming that nose weight means tongue weight over in the UK, please correct me if I am wrong...
 

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Thank you both! I love the fact that I get the answers from North America and not here in the UK. The fuel consumption seems acceptable, as over here the Government figures are less than you achieve Andrew and I always reckon on doing better than these figures. The motorhome we use gives about 25mpg on the open road and high teens around town.

I imagine the tongue and nose are the same thing. I'll try a caravan forum, as the nose weight is given as 80kg on an official site, so caravaners may know better.

Thanks again and you lot over there love Santa Fe's.

Glyn.
 

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The Australian version of the 2.7 V6 Santa Fe has a tongue weight of 100kg and a braked towing max load of 1800 kg.
I tow a small caravan that weighs about 1200 kg but at times the Santa Fe uses twice as much fuel when towing.
It also wants to stay in third gear most of the time and only goes into top gear downhill.

It seems to be more a problem of the transmission gear ratios that purely a lack of power.
 

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Interesting! I'm beginning to think that the guide is very much going on the safe side. If you follow the guides over here, they say that one should aim for about 7% of all up weight of the caravan, so this means about 90kg for the ones that we are looking at. Your comments on fuel gave made me suck my teeth! I find it difficult to get my head around a 'box that won't change up into top when towing, surely there is something with the electonics.What happens if one uses the tiptronic, surely it goes in then.? Thanks for the reply. G.
 

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Sorry about the late reply. You can use the tiptronic, or just lift your foot, to get the transmission into top gear but it won't pull and loses revs and speed unless you are travelling on a slight downslope.
The max speed limit here when towing is 90kmh, this is also an awkward speed to maintain, it tows better at 100, or 110 kmh as it is in a better rev range and maintains speed better.

Cheers Bruce
 

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Thanks Bruce!

Obviously, as you say, you're not quite in the sweet spot at 90kph. Over here we're allowed 60mph or 100kph, so things should be better. I'll just have to console myself with the sound of a V6 working and wondering if the thing has stalled at tickover! Not things a diesel owner has to think about.

Thanks again.

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SF Noseweight - emails from Hyundau

Hi
Afraid this will be a long post but it may help other members regarding the lower noseweight on auto versions of the SF. Below is a lengthy e-mail string which occurred between Hyundai and me ragarding the lower noseweight on autos and why this is the case.

Your thoughts would be very much appreciated especially regarding my logic for when the full 100kg may be used

Regards

Barry




Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 8:43 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Noseweight limit

Hi
I have a 2010 Santa Fe (5 seat) auto Premium. I understand that the noseweight is 80kg on this car. What I can’t understand is why the noseweight on the manual version of my car is 100kg.
I know that the towing limit on the auto is 2000kg and that of the manual is 2500kg – which makes sense in terms of strain on the gearbox. However the difference in noseweight leaves me mystified as presumably the towbar (I have a dealer fitted towbar) and where and how it is fixed to my vehicle is the same as for the manual version.
The Caravan Club recommends aiming for about 7% of the weight of a caravan as a guide for getting the caravan noseweight correct. That means, obviously, that the 2000kg limit of the auto version would result in a noseweight of 140kg – clearly way above the towball limit. This somewhat negates the benefit of having a 2000kg limit. Effectively the towing limit of the auto version is about 1142kg if we follow the Caravan Club logic - 1142 x 7%=79.94kg
Would you mind explaining the reasons behind the reduced noseweight limit on the auto version of the Santa Fe please.


Many thanks
Barry


Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 11:13 AM
To: Barry Graham
Subject: RE: Noseweight limit

Dear Mr Graham
Thank you for your email.
We are unable to endorse what the caravan club recommends we can only advise on the weights that Hyundai have recommended.
I have spoken to our technical team and the actual weights are as follows.
Max Tow Weight 2500KG for a manual - 2000KG for a automatic - maximum nose weight for the Manual is 100KG and 80KG for the Automatic. the reason for the difference is that the automatic gearbox is heavier than the manual gearbox.
In closing Mr Graham I do hope this has answered your enquiry.


Kind Regards
Julia Lucas
Hyundai Customer Services




From: Barry Graham
Sent: 03 February 2012 13:34
To: Customer Query
Subject: Re: Noseweight limit

Hi Julia,
Thanks for the response. I still don’t understand how a heavier gearbox affects the weight that can be applied to the towbar.
I understand that the auto tows less weight than the manual because of the differences in the gearboxes but surely the towbar is fitted in exactly the same way to both the manual and auto versions of the car. This is why the difference in noseweight allowance mystifies me somewhat.
A more technical explanation would be very welcome.


Regards
Barry

From: Customer Query
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:45 AM
T0 BarryGraham
Subject: RE: Noseweight limit
Hi Barry
I hope you had a good weekend and didn't get stuck in the snow.
I have asked the question for you the reason the automatic gearbox makes such a difference. ( There is a maximum loaded weight to every vehicle, GVW, therefore with the additional weight of the automatic gearbox over the manual, the loading of the trailer has to take this into consideration.) any loading onto the towbar is basically increasing the gross vehicle weight. I hope this answers your enquiry.


Kind Regards
Julia


From: Barry Graham
Sent: 06 February 2012 13:09
To: Customer Query
Subject: Re: Noseweight limit

Hi Julia,
No snow where we live – happily.
I think I understand the reason for the difference now. I presume, therefore, that if my car isn’t fully loaded with 5 passengers and associated luggage (which it never is) that there is leeway within the GVW for the noseweight to be increased to 100kg (same as the manual).
What I’m trying to say is – if my car is 20kg lighter than GVW prior to hitching my caravan to it then surely I should be able to use the 100kg limit of the Witter towbar as the GVW of my car will still be under the permitted limit.
Hope you understand my point/question and thank you very much for your continued help on this matter.


Best wishes
Barry


Hi Barry
I understand logistically where you are coming from, however as you can appreciate I am unable to comment as to whether you can use the additional 20 KG GVW I can only advise you of the weights it specifies on the vehicles indorsed by Hyundai.
Thank you once again and I hope this clarifies your enquiry


Kind Regards
Julia
 
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