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If you see a review of the Kona you like, please post it here. To start off the thread, Consumer Reports seemed to like the Kona in their first drive; it will be interesting to see what they think after their long term test:

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I found it roomy (I'm over 300lbs), easy to get into, comfortable. All the controls, once learned would be within easy reach. Lots of options and switches and buttons and the one I test drove wasn't even the top end model. was told the running gear was basically the same as the new Elantra (unless you went with the AWD system I guess) don't know how true that was. Ride was good if slightly springy. I liked the looks, the lines were nice, good selection of colors, Nav/radio/controls screen was beautiful. At least one thumbs up here.
 

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I got a good, up close look at one the other day having my oil changed.

Interesting treatment with the lighting; they have taken KIAs idea of putting the rear turn signals in the lower bumper cover giving them much better visibility. They also have them separated from the headlights.

Maybe manufacturers are finally beginning to understand if you have a smal 22W light bulb nestled between 2 45 watt bulbs, that PEOPLE CAN'T SEE THEM WHEN THE HEADLIGHTS ARE ON!

Nissan Altimas and Maximas are the WORST, followed by many others. Toyota started putting them in the lower front bumper a few years ago.
 
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Sat in one yesterday while getting oil changed and recall completed. Was impressed by the cargo room in the back. Did get a laugh at what they call the "hidden" compartment in the back, just lift the floor....lol


Seats were firm, this was an SEL I believe (cloth & sunroof). But not 100% on that. Blue color was nice. The screen stuck on the dash kinda bugs me, looks afterthought. But seems to be a trend today.
 

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Sat in one yesterday while getting oil changed and recall completed. Was impressed by the cargo room in the back. Did get a laugh at what they call the "hidden" compartment in the back, just lift the floor....lol


Seats were firm, this was an SEL I believe (cloth & sunroof). But not 100% on that. Blue color was nice. The screen stuck on the dash kinda bugs me, looks afterthought. But seems to be a trend today.
My understanding of the screen, and why it sits up, is so that you have more greenhouse for visability. If they were going to actually build the screen into the dash, it would require pushing the dash higher, which would limit visibility, and possibly require lowering the climate controls which would make them harder to reach. Having the screen sit up is a compromise which doesn't seriously limit the view of the driver while allowing the other controls to remain in easy reach.

And if the Kona had cloth and a sunroof it would be an SEL (in the US). The SE and SEL both have cloth seats, but only the SEL has a sunroof (if you get the Tech package). The Limited and Ultimate trims have leather seats but only the Ultimate has a sunroof. The SEL seems like a great deal and nicely equipped with the tech package. In fact, the tech package options are mostly not available on the Limited; instead you have to go up to the Ultimate to get them.
 

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On the trim levels etc., let me make some observations. I have the SEL with the tech package.

I found the cloth seats to be very nicely done. It is heated and not nearly as uncomfortable as the hot leather would be if it had been sitting in the sun.

If one moves up to the next level, the Limited it comes with the leather and soft padded arm rests. The screen is the latest trend and upright and an argument could be made that it is less attractive than the conventional flush screen on other models such as my G80. The advantage is that it is closer and easier to reach. With Apple Car Play it comes with a GPS fed in from your iPhone. In some cases it is more accurate than the embedded GPS unit that has to be updated from time to time. On balance I prefer the new upright screen.

Neither the SEL nor the base Limited model has Homelink although the Limited has the auto dimming but not Homelink which I prefer to having to hunt around for a garage door opener. It appears to be easily installed with a torx screw holding it to the windshield. I had the dealer do that along with the mud guards.

One other thing is that the SEL comes with only single climate controls. With the simpler controls I personally found it much easier to use. Sometimes less is more. On my G80 it has all the bells an whistles. It also takes time to hunt around to locate the right button. It also has the pano roof which is next to useless. Some G80 buyers opt for the base model just to get it without the pano roof. The black roof is, however more attractive and presumably more saleable. Will be interesting if the 2019 Tucson retains the pano roof.

It is a matter of personal taste but I would rate the Limited wheels as more attractive. But that brings with it a slightly rougher ride with the lower profile tires. The SE base model comes with the 16 inch tires with what I see as much less attractive. I doubt there will be much demand for the this model. Most of the nearly 1,000 vehicles found on the internet were mainly Limited models in various options.

What none of the levels have, to my knowledge, have power passenger seats. On the other hand, the Tucson SE Plus and Limited models have power seats on both seats. It has most of the options if the Limited models except for the Pano roof. The sunroof on the Kona is the “old fashioned” kind. I much prefer the latter. Noteworthy is that the Genesis G90 comes with the “old fashioned” kind. I am in the group who believe the older style.

I got the arm rests from eBay yesterday. The jury is out as I haven’t tried them yet. I may still go with the upholstery idea.

Interesting to note that the Tucson is discontinuing the turbo and DCT and goes back to the tried and proven 2.4 and conventional automatic. I am guessing that the Kona will keep it as it is the more sporting of the two models.

One thing I did was to remove, but retain, the Kona name from the rear. I wanted people to wonder what it was. I can always glue them back on. The black paint and overall body shape of the Tucson and nobody has asked if we bought another new car. (I have bought 38 new cars in my lifetime.)

This is way off the subject but frankly I think that Hyundai and Kia should be sold in “Superstores.” I was at a large Toyota dealership in Little Rock the other day for a friend. The floor traffic was heavy and there were people coming out of the woodwork. They have a large number of models. Hyundai has limited itself to far fewer models.

And ominously rumor has it that Genesis will only be sold in large urban centers, although the Genesis line can and will be serviced at Hyundai dealerships. The head honchos at Hyundai need a thorough housecleaning in my opinion. If Kia can build Hyundai’s in Georgia why not go all the way and use some common sense. Having dealerships in every hamlet is silly. Having the Genesis only available in very large metropolitan areas is stupid IMO. Needless to say this “rumor” has some dealers squealing like pigs caught under a gate.

But getting back to the subject, I like the Kona a great deal. I may opt to keep it when the lease expires in three years. The residual is 57%.
 

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Limited has a sunroof as well.
My mistake, I was typing from memory and didn't recall the Limited having a sunroof.

This is way off the subject but frankly I think that Hyundai and Kia should be sold in “Superstores.” I was at a large Toyota dealership in Little Rock the other day for a friend. The floor traffic was heavy and there were people coming out of the woodwork. They have a large number of models. Hyundai has limited itself to far fewer models.

And ominously rumor has it that Genesis will only be sold in large urban centers, although the Genesis line can and will be serviced at Hyundai dealerships. The head honchos at Hyundai need a thorough housecleaning in my opinion. If Kia can build Hyundai’s in Georgia why not go all the way and use some common sense. Having dealerships in every hamlet is silly. Having the Genesis only available in very large metropolitan areas is stupid IMO. Needless to say this “rumor” has some dealers squealing like pigs caught under a gate.
From what I've seen, both Hyundai and Kia are aggressively trying to add new cars to the lineup; though Kia is keeping their luxury cars under the Kia brand. I can see the arguments for having the same showroom for both; though then the issue is that they start "competing against themselves," for example the Sonata v. Optima, Tucson v. Sportage, Rio v. Accent, etc. -- basically the same cars with just slightly different sheet metal. It seems more beneficial to have separate dealerships, particularly as they are separate companies (just they work together and Hyundai owns a portion of Kia).

As for the Genesis, Hyundai isn't trying to remove it from small towns -- though that may be the consequence. Hyundai wants the Genesis to be it's own brand; much like how Toyota created Lexus for their luxury cars, or Honda with Acura. The feel, and from what I've seen they are correct, that Genesis sales are badly hurt by being so closely tied to Hyundai dealerships; customers aren't getting the "premium" experience that they expect from a luxury car maker.

So, Hyundai is requiring dealers to apply to become Genesis dealers, which requires building a separate Genesis showroom. While I doubt they are excluding small town dealerships, it does create the situation where smaller town dealers don't have the money, or the sales expectation, to be able to justify building a Genesis showroom -- so many towns will "lose" the Genesis. While it is frustrating, it does seem to be necessary. I doubt we'd see Lexus, Acura, or Infinity have become they brand they are if customers had to buy them at Toyota, Honda, and Nissan dealerships.
 

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My mistake, I was typing from memory and didn't recall the Limited having a sunroof.



From what I've seen, both Hyundai and Kia are aggressively trying to add new cars to the lineup; though Kia is keeping their luxury cars under the Kia brand. I can see the arguments for having the same showroom for both; though then the issue is that they start "competing against themselves," for example the Sonata v. Optima, Tucson v. Sportage, Rio v. Accent, etc. -- basically the same cars with just slightly different sheet metal. It seems more beneficial to have separate dealerships, particularly as they are separate companies (just they work together and Hyundai owns a portion of Kia).

As for the Genesis, Hyundai isn't trying to remove it from small towns -- though that may be the consequence. Hyundai wants the Genesis to be it's own brand; much like how Toyota created Lexus for their luxury cars, or Honda with Acura. The feel, and from what I've seen they are correct, that Genesis sales are badly hurt by being so closely tied to Hyundai dealerships; customers aren't getting the "premium" experience that they expect from a luxury car maker.

So, Hyundai is requiring dealers to apply to become Genesis dealers, which requires building a separate Genesis showroom. While I doubt they are excluding small town dealerships, it does create the situation where smaller town dealers don't have the money, or the sales expectation, to be able to justify building a Genesis showroom -- so many towns will "lose" the Genesis. While it is frustrating, it does seem to be necessary. I doubt we'd see Lexus, Acura, or Infinity have become they brand they are if customers had to buy them at Toyota, Honda, and Nissan dealerships.
My understanding is that they will only be sold on the coasts. I have two well placed sources who informed me of this mismanagement.

Hard to believe but in Louisiana they can't even sell them. They have cars in inventory but are prevented by law from selling them.

Whoever runs Genesis ought to be recalled and recycled.
 

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My understanding is that they will only be sold on the coasts. I have two well placed sources who informed me of this mismanagement.

Hard to believe but in Louisiana they can't even sell them. They have cars in inventory but are prevented by law from selling them.

Whoever runs Genesis ought to be recalled and recycled.

Through the crusher.

Yeah, a salesman told me that also while I was having my oil changed.

And boy, did it HURT!
 

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My understanding is that they will only be sold on the coasts. I have two well placed sources who informed me of this mismanagement.

Hard to believe but in Louisiana they can't even sell them. They have cars in inventory but are prevented by law from selling them.

Whoever runs Genesis ought to be recalled and recycled.
I think their ads are pretty dreadful as well, some dufus riding a motorcycle and done in B&W, exactly what are they trying to sell.

KIA stinger - they will sell a lot of those, Genesis - BMW Audi and Mercedes wanna bees that have misguided expectations that owning a Genesis will propel them to the ranks of elite euro luxo brand status , but "I paid several k less for it" Where have you gone Ricardo Montalban ?
 

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KBB had pretty good review I think. They came out saying that the SEL Trim line is the sweet spot. Same as ours. But, by all means get the tech package. Then add the Homelink mirror and the mud flaps. Cost is manageable.

I did see an identical gray model on the lot today with same equipment. That may wear better than the black I have. My wife concurs. It also is less prone to showing dirt. So I would go with the gray SEL with tech package and get the mirror and mudflaps.

From what I gather, there is no real advantage to going the turbo and DCT route. That was somewhat surprising as I thought that would be highly desirable but evidently there is no option to get anything else in the Limited lines.

In any event, the cloth upholstery is quite attractive and will be cooler in the summertime. And it is heated. The GPS would be nice but the Apple Car Play works fine. It also provides the compass and speed limits.
 

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My understanding is that they will only be sold on the coasts. I have two well placed sources who informed me of this mismanagement.

Hard to believe but in Louisiana they can't even sell them. They have cars in inventory but are prevented by law from selling them.

Whoever runs Genesis ought to be recalled and recycled.
I'll admit, I don't have the sources but, at least last I heard, a few of the local Hyundai dealerships in Houston expected to have their Genesis dealer application approved.

It does seem like a huge mistake, and a recipe for the Genesis rebranding to fail, to not have dealerships nationwide.
 

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KBB had pretty good review I think. They came out saying that the SEL Trim line is the sweet spot. Same as ours. But, by all means get the tech package. Then add the Homelink mirror and the mud flaps. Cost is manageable.

I did see an identical gray model on the lot today with same equipment. That may wear better than the black I have. My wife concurs. It also is less prone to showing dirt. So I would go with the gray SEL with tech package and get the mirror and mudflaps.

From what I gather, there is no real advantage to going the turbo and DCT route. That was somewhat surprising as I thought that would be highly desirable but evidently there is no option to get anything else in the Limited lines.

In any event, the cloth upholstery is quite attractive and will be cooler in the summertime. And it is heated. The GPS would be nice but the Apple Car Play works fine. It also provides the compass and speed limits.
Pardon me for asking this as I don't have much experience with these kind of things.. the Homelink mirrors provides auto dimming correct? Did you get that done at your dealership or did you buy and install that yourself?
 

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I just leased a Kona a couple of weeks ago. I got the Ultimate trim level, and I am loving everything so far. I previously had a 2013 Elantra Limited (no upgrades beyond the Limited trim). I have the Sonic Silver with grey leather seats. I really liked the leather in my Elantra, so when I looked at the Kona, it was going to be either the Limited or the Ultimate for that alone. When I was in for recall work, I test drove the single Ultimate Kona they had. It happened to be the Sonic Grey. By the time I made my decision, that car had been traded to another dealership, but I still wanted that color. It's pretty! They had one other Kona Ultimate on the lot, but it had black seats. I live in Florida and can't imagine having black leather seats. But it rides nice, a little smoother IMO than my Elantra. The cargo area seems smaller than my Elantra's trunk, but that's not a big deal for me. I didn't really get it for the SUV aspect -- I just liked the look, liked that the fuel efficiency was closer to my Elantra than a Tuscon or a Santa Fe would be, and the passenger space is comparable to my Elantra. I haven't seen any others in my local area yet, but they are obviously pretty new. Compared to my Elantra, they have really improved the steering wheel controls and the voice command system. And I like the placement of the air vents much better. Really enjoying the auto-temperature controls, too. Since I have the Ultimate, I have turbo, so it's obviously punchier than my Elantra was. I did not upgrade to all wheel drive. My friends with fancier cars are jealous of my heads up display. :) My first push-button-ignition car, which has been an easy adjustment. Also my first car with the back-up camera -- not so used to using that yet. Still old-school and looking over my shoulder, lol. But anyway, this is my non-gear-head mini-review of the Kona. I'll say it again: I am loving it so far. So much fun to drive.
 

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Pardon me for asking this as I don't have much experience with these kind of things.. the Homelink mirrors provides auto dimming correct? Did you get that done at your dealership or did you buy and install that yourself?
I got a good price from the dealer. The "base" Limited only has the auto-dimming but not Homelink. My replacement has both but not bluelink. The dealer gave me the old mirror but I don't know what I would do with it. Looks like it attaches with a simple torx screw. The dealer had to set the compass which the SEL didn't have either.

Of course the Apple Car Play has its own GPS unit. Just plug in your iPhone in the UBS port nd it will read your map which has the compass and speed limits built in. Now my wife says she wishes it had the regular built in GPS unit like our G80. It's always something.
 

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We have two Samsung Galaxy smart phones for emergencies and I hate both. Always gets turned off if I touch it the wrong way, the screen goes blank to save battery, and so forth.
For navigation I use the two Garmins we have. I like that I can take the Garmin to the living room and program all the addresses we might need while looking at Google maps on a big Windows PC monitor.
Both gets plugged in the cigarette light sockets, but the older ones goes 5-6 hours on battery power without a cord, while the newer one only lasts 1.5 hours.
If I have to drive in a very difficult area where I could get lost, (think San Francisco or Los Angeles) I can run both Garmins side by side and if I miss something I just look at the other.
Regarding the Kona wheels, my favorite is the SEL. If we get a limited I'd like to swap the wheels for the SEL wheels, if possible. The SEL wheel is more practical and looks better as well.
 

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We have two Samsung Galaxy smart phones for emergencies and I hate both. Always gets turned off if I touch it the wrong way, the screen goes blank to save battery, and so forth.

For navigation I use the two Garmins we have. I like that I can take the Garmin to the living room and program all the addresses we might need while looking at Google maps on a big Windows PC monitor.

Both gets plugged in the cigarette light sockets, but the older ones goes 5-6 hours on battery power without a cord, while the newer one only lasts 1.5 hours.

If I have to drive in a very difficult area where I could get lost, (think San Francisco or Los Angeles) I can run both Garmins side by side and if I miss something I just look at the other.

Regarding the Kona wheels, my favorite is the SEL. If we get a limited I'd like to swap the wheels for the SEL wheels, if possible. The SEL wheel is more practical and looks better as well.
So long as the tire diameter is the same the SEL wheels should work just fine.

If you decide to do this, I would swap wheels with you as I like the Limited wheels more. I guess it is a matter of personal taste.

A check of ebay shows a complete set of SEL wheels for $700 or $175 per wheel. But you will need to change the tires as well.

Should you go that route let me know what you want for those wheels and tires. We might make a deal.

I'm also considering chrome plating the SEL wheels. Haven't researched it in detail though but that is a consideration.
 

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Hi rmissouri,

I know Hot Springs is 2,100 miles from us, Paradise, CA 95969. But if you are willing to take a long trip, we can switch wheels in our garage, I have the tools and jack stands.
No cost to you, and I throw in a 3 nights stay free in our quest bedroom. Hope you don't mind the dog, an Airedale.
The cost of shipping 4 wheels and tires x 2 is probably more than the cost of gas for such a trip.
We are retired, so the timing is anytime. Oops, I need to get the Kona first.
The tire diameter is the same; the SEL wheels are smaller but the tires have a taller sidewall.
 
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