[Byron007]

That's one thing that infuriated me. I had a Dodge Avenger rental, every time I start the car, or turn the fan off and turn it on later, it keeps defaulting to fresh air! I want it on recirculate! ugh!

 

[midas69]

So funny. I complained about the recirculate issue back the first day it got warm here. And it hasn't really been warm since. Until today. Driving home from work today it was 92. And yet the recirculate never came on. So it comes on when it's mildly warm, but not when it's really hot. Makes no sense at all.

 

[BigRedNole]

OK, I think I know what you are talking about and the recirculate issue. My STS has a similar issue. It always defaults to external intake instead of recirculating the cool air in the car. I have complained to the Cadillac dealer and they say there is no way to change the default setting. I told them I disagree since it is a single bit flip on a chip somewhere. I guess that would be a non-issue for me since I deal with it already.

 

[bobad]

QUOTE (abigmutt @ May 23 2010, 02:10 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=325582

why would anyone waste their time with "disinformation campaigns" against Sonata?

I think anyone spending time to post at this forum has at least a mild & positive interest in getting to know what truely are the pluses and minuses of this model.

If it becomes just a site for fanboys, that's no good to anyone except to the current owners attempting to reduce cognitive dissonance and reassure themselves about their brilliant decision to purchase their new car.
...... it's great to see when someone is trying to be as "objective" as one can be in such very subjective circumstances. I wish there was more of it here.

I agree with you on this. Great post you big mutt! :grin:

There has to be balance. A few folks are hyper sensitive about criticism of their cars, a few
seem to relish bashing them. Unfortunately, problems in cars are normal, and not a taboo subject.
Much can be learned from the discussion, and you meet some great people along the way.

 

[midas69]

QUOTE (BigRedNole @ May 23 2010, 05:40 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=325624

OK, I think I know what you are talking about and the recirculate issue. My STS has a similar issue. It always defaults to external intake instead of recirculating the cool air in the car. I have complained to the Cadillac dealer and they say there is no way to change the default setting. I told them I disagree since it is a single bit flip on a chip somewhere. I guess that would be a non-issue for me since I deal with it already.

In my opinion, in AUTO mode, it should always default to fresh air, external intake as you refer to it, except under specific conditions. Those conditions when it should be on recirculate would be when you first start the car and it's been sitting in the sun so that the interior is very hot, or when it's really hot and humid outside. In the first case, it should go back to fresh air as soon as the interior cools to the desired temperature. In the second case, it may have to stay on recirculate if the conditions are excessive.

But when it's only the low 70's and the humidity is in the 40% range, there's no reason for it to stay on recirculate after the cabin gets to the desired temperature.

 

[ThePill]

QUOTE (bobad @ May 23 2010, 06:40 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=325625

I agree with you on this. Great post you big mutt! :grin:

There has to be balance. A few folks are hyper sensitive about criticism of their cars, a few
seem to relish bashing them. Unfortunately, problems in cars are normal, and not a taboo subject.
Much can be learned from the discussion, and you meet some great people along the way.

Two things: 1. I never stated that owners should not discuss issues with their vehicles on this forum. 2. If you go back and re-read that last line that I wrote about the "disinformation" campaign against the Sonata, you would know that this is real and not borne out of any over sensitivity to any critique or short comings of this vehicle. Also, I did not state that anyone here is doing this on this forum but I do know it happens elsewhere.

I have seen comments posted on other forums by some who have visited this forum and claimed that they have read that there are so many rattles on the new Sonata, that the owners are majorly upset about their Hyundai Sonatas. That is what I meant to the reference of taking things out of context.

Far from being over sensitive to criticism about the Sonata, I am in fact opened to learning the pros and cons about this vehicle for myself.

 

[Bingo Steve]

I had a phone conversation with my dad yesterday for about 45 minutes while I was driving home from the airport. I could not help from recalling several times during the ride on the highway how hushed the ride was and how clear the call was on the bluetooth. What suspention noises are being referred to here? Only noise I have is a wind noise from my driver side door.

 

[midas69]

QUOTE (Bingo Steve @ May 24 2010, 12:49 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=325703

What suspention noises are being referred to here?

Maybe it's a quality control issue and not all of them have the noise. I'd like that to be the case because it would mean it's possibly something that can be fixed. But I suspect it's a matter of expectations and experience. Some people have never driven a car with a solid suspension so they have no idea that it could be better.

 

[ula]

Guys,
I fully agree with some points made by Midas. Going even deeper (and starting to know car much better now) i can easily say that many problems with noises inside the cabin start with poor quality interior materials used by Hyundai. I'm honestly scared to death to see how this interior is going to handle Chicago winter...also some software programming logic on the audio controls is questionable to say at least. But wait there is more, i'm starting to notice that some "leatherette" seats areas are wearing off already and i have this car only two months...BTW I'm 130 lbs woman, so don't tell me that I'm overweight and this is my "fat" rear end fault...Now one of the most interesting discoveries i have made is related to body work on new Sonata. Here i can use my work experience from other makers assembly lines, parts stamping processes and robot welding programs. In my opinion Hyundai's body welding procedures are very sloppy. It is amazing in these days because i'm almost 100% positive that welding at their assembly plant is done by robots. So either they have problem with parts stamping quality control (or lack of it) or someone wasn't really careful when teaching robots new welding lines. I have seen things like this especially after retooling for new car models. Reason for this is very simple, everyone is in the big hurry, deadlines and schedules must be made and people will cut some corners to get some things done, when they really could use some extra time to make it right.
So when i hear some people talking about Hyundai going after BMW or Lexus i can't help but laugh. In my eyes at this point Hyundai is not even ready to compete with Camry or Accord. Yes, 2011 Sonata is looking much better, yes MPG is great, yes list of standard features is amazing and yes, Hyundai made a big progress, but it is obvious to me that they have cut some serious corners in order to put pressure on Toyota and Honda. This is interesting tactic by Hyundai and i'm 100% positive 2011 Sonata will be (is) selling hit because of all "yes", but at some point it may also backfire on them if they will not listen to customer complains or improvement suggestions.

Now before I'm going to get stoned, let me tell you this: i knew the risk when buying totally redesign new model. I have also did my homework on it best i could at that time. So trust me, i knew what i was doing. Today taking in to the account all i have learned about this car i would made exactly the same decision - i will buy the same car i got it few months ago...but it is obvious Hyundai must continue to work on their "game" because they are not there yet... :thumbsup:

 

[BigRedNole]

QUOTE (ula @ May 24 2010, 08:29 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=325738

BTW I'm 130 lbs woman, so don't tell me that I'm overweight and this is my "fat" rear end fault

Your big rear end is ruining that seat already?

I test drove the SE and really liked it. I did question the half leather/half cloth seats. Also, they do use many robots in their entire process. My neighbor works for the company that designs them and he is one of two on-site repair techs in the US.

 

[..MiamiLX..]

QUOTE (ula @ May 24 2010, 05:29 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=325738

Guys,
I fully agree with some points made by Midas. Going even deeper (and starting to know car much better now) i can easily say that many problems with noises inside the cabin start with poor quality interior materials used by Hyundai.

Yes but Midas is a nut. So the new Car feeling is wearing off, as well as some of the smell, and with the new payments I sense regret?
We have many Chicagoland Hyundai Owners who have never complained about how cheap the Sonata is. In the 5 Years I have had the
NF, nothing has broken, no Warning Lights, no Knobs, no Leather Wear (alright a little, but not a crack or tear) and that is because my
Comb scrapes the seat. Is the Sonata a cheaper Car made with cheaper materials. Well yes :thumbsup:

 

[ula]

QUOTE (MiamiLX @ May 24 2010, 10:40 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=325795

So the new Car feeling is wearing off, as well as some of the smell, and with the new payments I sense regret?

Ehhh...my car is fully paid off...so i don"t have to deal with payments pain. No regret on my part...just suggestions to Hyundai so they can improve their "game". They have a great platform in new Sonata / Optima, but they have a long way to go to be in the same room with BMW like some fan-boys would like to see them today... :thumbsup:

 

[..MiamiLX..]

Very true. Overall the Hyundai value is there. Everything is just a little Plastic-y. Remember if the Leather is not looking right,
or anything else doesn't seem right, you have the one Year free adjustment period and the 5 Year New Car Warranty too.

Payments are terrible. While I got $1000 from HMFC, I paid Cash. Best feeling ever!

 

[midas69]

QUOTE (MiamiLX @ May 24 2010, 10:40 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=325795

Yes but Midas is a nut. So the new Car feeling is wearing off, as well as some of the smell, and with the new payments I sense regret?
We have many Chicagoland Hyundai Owners who have never complained about how cheap the Sonata is. In the 5 Years I have had the
NF, nothing has broken, no Warning Lights, no Knobs, no Leather Wear (alright a little, but not a crack or tear) and that is because my
Comb scrapes the seat. Is the Sonata a cheaper Car made with cheaper materials. Well yes :thumbsup:

I'm a nut huh? Why, because I pointed out issues with car? Sure, suspension noise is subjective in regards to what's expected and what's excessive. But try to dispute any of the other issues I pointed out. I never used the word cheap, as you infer, but if you don't think that some cost cutting isn't involved to get the Sonata to it's price point then you have your head in the sand. Sit in an Acura TL and tell me the quality of the leather in the Sonata compares. Drive a Camry and tell me cabin in the Sonata is just as quiet over bumpy roads.

But read my posts again. Yes I regret not having the money to buy a $40K car. But I don't regret buying my Hyundai. It's a great car for the money and a great car for even 3 or 4 thousand more. But there are issues that should be addressed. It's not a matter of things breaking or knobs falling off. The horn is a perfect example. I don't expect it to stop working. I don't expect to have it fall off. But it's pathetic and whomever decided to spec that horn for this car should be fired.

Hyundai does not operate in a vacuum. They are competing against other cars in it's size and price range. Their stated goal is to be able to compete on more than just price and warranty. They want to compete based on the quality of the car. They've done a much better job with the 2011 Sonata and the Genesis than they have in the past. But they still have a way to go. Ignoring the issues isn't going to help them attain their goal. They obviously sent out this new survey to get the kind of feedback that will help them get there. This was not a tell us how great we are survey. This was not a 'rate this on a scale of 1 to 5' type survey. This was a 'tell us your problems and concerns' type of survey. They want the info, and I gave it to them as best I could. If that makes me a nut, oh well.

 

[..MiamiLX..]

Many of our Horns stopped working. And almost all of our Windshield Washer Pumps burned. I did not call you Cheap, just a Nut.

I was responding to Ula, and not calling her cheap either. When is that meeting with the Hyundai Engineers & Robots again?

We had 900 Engineers, you had 2500 Engineers and additional Robots that Designed the new Sonata. Live it, Love it, Hyundai.

 

[Klooks Kleek]

I am really struggling to understand some of these comments that have developed throughout this thread.


A 2011 Sonata doesn't measure up in certain areas vs. a Cadillac Seville?

Those who are voicing their concerns are clear and logical, vs. gushing fanboys?

Someone is "honestly scared to death" about how the interior is going to handle a Chicago winter?


(I'm editing to add: I'm not trying to call out any individuals. I appreciate the candor, pro and con, and the lack of hysterical flaming here that often accompanies other specialty forums. And please note that I made no sarcastic comebacks and took no cheap shots.

But it's just a car that costs from the low to mid 20's. It's nice for what it is, and maybe it punches upward through the ceiling a little tiny bit in a couple/few key areas. And like any car, there are areas of improvement needed. That's it, as far as I can see).

 

[..MiamiLX..]

In every Forum there will always be one member who finds all sorts of reasons why his or her Car is Defective. This member will bring his or her Tripe to other posts, and even start additional Threads, and continually bump up their own threads and Posts. Like a Disease :trophy:

 

[Bingo Steve]

Midas, You still didn't answer my question about suspension noises. Can you be more specific? Maybe I just don't understand what to listen for in the car. I typically don't drive over many bumps so my car doesn't go all the way up or down on the springs and shocks. Is it the springs and shocks that are making the suspension noises you are referring to in your posts?

 

[midas69]

QUOTE (Bingo Steve @ May 24 2010, 01:54 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=325876

Midas, You still didn't answer my question about suspension noises. Can you be more specific? Maybe I just don't understand what to listen for in the car. I typically don't drive over many bumps so my car doesn't go all the way up or down on the springs and shocks. Is it the springs and shocks that are making the suspension noises you are referring to in your posts?

Kind of hard to describe a sound. It's not the type of sound you'd hear from bottoming out and it's not like anything is cracking. I'd describe it more as a clunking noise, but not that severe, more of a thump. It doesn't sound like anything loose or broken, it just sounds noisy. Even small pavement joints sound like you're going over a set of railroad tracks.

It's really a lack of under car sound deadening material, I think, rather than the parts making abnormal noises. But you can see, if you're following behind one, that the rear suspension has a lot more wheel hop than some other cars. The wheels just don't stay planted over rough surfaces and this increases the noise factor.

 

[ula]

QUOTE (MiamiLX @ May 24 2010, 01:30 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=325873

In every Forum there will always be one member who finds all sorts of reasons why his or her Car is Defective. This member will bring his or her Tripe to other posts, and even start additional Threads, and continually bump up their own threads and Posts. Like a Disease :trophy:

I think this is just not fair statement...