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QUOTE (midas69 @ May 22 2010, 03:17 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=325380

I complained about the overly aggressive recirculate issue as well as lack of an A/C light on in AUTO mode and the inability to be able to turn off A/C when in AUTO mode.

Is this a defect in your opinion? The only reason I ask is that is how it was designed with the Auto Climate systems, at least on my Unit.

I would like you to complain that you can pull the Lever on a Locked Sonata and lose a loved one. Some say this is normal. Hyundai says it is!

 

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QUOTE (midas69 @ May 22 2010, 06:47 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=325439

In my opinion, it's not how it should be. Whether you call that a defect or a design flaw is up to you. But to me, when the manual cautions against running in recirculate mode for too long yet you design a system that goes into recirculate mode when it's only 72 outside with low humidity and is still in that mode 30 minutes later, that's a problem.



Not sure what you mean. Children should be kept in the back seat where they have child safety locks. If it's your wife you're speaking of and she's dumb enough to try opening the door while the car is moving, well, all I can say is, read up on Darwin.

I'm sorry I just meant the A/C light does not light when the Auto climate system is on. As far as the Auto circulate thing that is one

of the main reasons I don't use the Automated Unit.

 

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Midas see if this thread helps any. http://www.hyundai-forums.com/index.php?sh...hl=auto+climate

 

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QUOTE (The Pill @ May 23 2010, 07:23 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=325526

I can appreciate the honest comments and feedback on the Sonata. First, let me say I was not a fan of the redesign starting in 2006. I thought that the exterior was vanilla and the interior was just ho-hum. The 2011 on the other hand is another story.

I love the looks of the NF Sonata. I happen to think this new scrunchy faced redesigned Model is funny looking. I get comments now
in 2010 that I didn't hear in 2006. :liebe011:

 

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QUOTE (ula @ May 24 2010, 05:29 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=325738

Guys,
I fully agree with some points made by Midas. Going even deeper (and starting to know car much better now) i can easily say that many problems with noises inside the cabin start with poor quality interior materials used by Hyundai.

Yes but Midas is a nut. So the new Car feeling is wearing off, as well as some of the smell, and with the new payments I sense regret?
We have many Chicagoland Hyundai Owners who have never complained about how cheap the Sonata is. In the 5 Years I have had the
NF, nothing has broken, no Warning Lights, no Knobs, no Leather Wear (alright a little, but not a crack or tear) and that is because my
Comb scrapes the seat. Is the Sonata a cheaper Car made with cheaper materials. Well yes :thumbsup:

 

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Very true. Overall the Hyundai value is there. Everything is just a little Plastic-y. Remember if the Leather is not looking right,
or anything else doesn't seem right, you have the one Year free adjustment period and the 5 Year New Car Warranty too.

Payments are terrible. While I got $1000 from HMFC, I paid Cash. Best feeling ever!

 

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Many of our Horns stopped working. And almost all of our Windshield Washer Pumps burned. I did not call you Cheap, just a Nut.

I was responding to Ula, and not calling her cheap either. When is that meeting with the Hyundai Engineers & Robots again?

We had 900 Engineers, you had 2500 Engineers and additional Robots that Designed the new Sonata. Live it, Love it, Hyundai.

 

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In every Forum there will always be one member who finds all sorts of reasons why his or her Car is Defective. This member will bring his or her Tripe to other posts, and even start additional Threads, and continually bump up their own threads and Posts. Like a Disease :trophy:

 

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QUOTE (Bingo Steve @ May 24 2010, 02:04 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=325908

Miami,
I think you are being a bit harsh here. Midas has been an overall fan and a great contributor to the 5G forum. Maybe he has a very early build car and there are some legitimate areas of concern which may or may not be unique to his vehicle. I think there is a quote or something that goes like ...judging and walking in ones shoes. We could extend that or modernize that to include ...ride in one's vehicle.

Since we are not in Midas' ride, we should not be judging his critiques.

I have nothing against Midas, and you might be right. Hyundai should make your new Car right as we paid good Money, whether it is
$25K or $40K. Its just that Midais has a lot of observations/Complaints, and to be taken seriously you need to deal with one complaint at a time. It is ironic that some of these same observations were made with the previous Gen Sonata, and are common to many other Hyundai Cars. Bottom line, you expect & deserve 100% satisfaction. But Midas and his concerns seem almost overwhelming. :beer:

 

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So you guys are saying this new Sonata is a Pile? Not hearing that from other new Owners? I just got a kick that
Midas mentioned he has a meeting planned with Hyundai Management, Hyundai Engineers, & a few of the off duty Robots.
The only Survey that is of up most importance to Hyundai is the Sales Survey. These quality surveys will be evaluated for the
next Generation Model. :57:

 

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QUOTE (ula @ May 24 2010, 01:48 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=325901

I think this is just not fair statement...

Perhaps these new Units were not built as well as originally thought? Some of the "Defects" Midas has noted are normal according to Hyundai. I got nowhere explaining the A/C Light not lit in the Auto Mode was normal. It sounds like there are quality problems. I'm just really surprised as Hyundai had so much time to get it right this time, along with all those Surveys from 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 & 2010 which really go in the Hyundai Round Circular file. The only vital Survey to Hyundai is the Sales Survey. My point though was, many of these alleged problems are the same type of problems reported with the previous Generation Sonata. I will withdraw from any further 5G/6G Comments, but I would never call for someone's Job because my horn stopped beeping, or the Wiper stopped wiping etc... Hyundai uses some of the cheapest parts in the Industry. That is how they keep their Unit costs low. You people are pioneers with the new Sonata, yet I sense some hostility here with new Model Issues. Enjoy your new Sonata :thumbsup:

 

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QUOTE (Bingo Steve @ May 26 2010, 06:01 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=326478

For those that don't own a 2011 Sonata, why don't you go to the forum for the type of car you DO own and annoy those folks and leave us owners to discuss ownership experiences with each other.

Oh, and before you go flaming me, I am wearing fire retardant clothing and really don't care!

Look Steve, nobody is going to flame you here, as it is fun watching you smoke. :grin:

 

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QUOTE (ula @ May 28 2010, 07:41 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=327270

Well guys, this report is just out (Consumer reports):

"Among seven major auto brands, consumers consider Honda to be the most committed to customers and to product quality. Ford ranked second, followed by Nissan, Chevrolet, and Toyota, based on a new survey by the Consumer Reports National Research Center. Hyundai and Chrysler trailed the others by a significant margin.

Although Hyundai's newer models have generally performed well in our tests, the brand's challenge still seems to be communicating this to consumers. Less than 50 percent of respondents felt that Hyundai was committed to its customers or quality."

If you read this i think you can see why it is important to point things out (not hide them) to Hyundai. If enough people will voice their honest opinions they (Hyundai) will react and (hopefully) make necessary changes / updates and etc...

Yes it was posted here this morning but moved to the General Forum. Interesting!
http://autos.yahoo.com/articles/autos_cont...ity-commitment/

 

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For Grins and Giggles what are the 5 or 6 Items? Wait we already have a Thread about all the alleged 2011 defects. The Seat is the
Seat. You felt it before. My advice was to get each item fixed, tackled one at a time. Some here think they can just write out a list, drop off the Sonata, and the Dealer will fix it. It can take Years to fix. :thumbsup:

 

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I think it is quite refreshing that you are quoting Ann Landers here at Hyundai-Forums, but isn't she wrong. I thought it was 31 Flavors?
Now Howard Johnson's might have had only 28 flavors, but with twice the Butterfat, all 28 were great!

 

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QUOTE (ula @ May 30 2010, 05:35 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=327949

I'm done arguing. It was nice to know you guys...have fun! Roger and out!

Oh great, now we lost Ula, due to the continued allowance of hostilie & nasty Posters & Threads. I will miss U Ula. :57:

 

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QUOTE (Klooks Kleek @ May 30 2010, 06:10 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=327959

Yeah, OK, fanatacism, that's it. Way to marginalize and patronize someone who actually has the unmitigated gall, apparently, to challenge your comments.

And to even bring Nazism into such a discussion...well, there's a whole lot of people who would have a right to be truly offended by that.

See, what you don't know about me (and probably many other people here) is that we will READILY post our complaints if we experience them.
But, apparently, a ton of people are NOT experiencing what you are. That doesn't mean that your (ula's) reality isn't valid or true, it just means that when you post things like the following, people are going to want backup:

1. You are "honestly scared to death" about how the Sonata interior will handle a Chicago winter
2. The Sonata sounds like a diesel car
3. That it's "scary to think" how Hyundai did not properly "spec out the LCD's to work in hot weather"

Look at your comments! Do you honestly think no one is going to ask for evidence of what you claim?? Come on!

(edited for typo)

That why Threads like this should not be allowed to grow in the first place. For example this Survey post was absolutely absurd.
I brought that up and got flamed. The Tension level here in 2011 Sonata is at all time high. Man just enjoy your Sonata, & take it in if needed!

 

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QUOTE (Bingo Steve @ May 31 2010, 04:30 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=328053

Mis-information or exaggerated claims should be allowed to be refuted and discussed. As long as there are no personal attacks the information presented should be permitted. Blaming anyone else for Ula leaving other than Ula is ridiculous. If a person can't handle a healthy discussion so be it.

Also, not sure what happened to a previous quote to a reply I made but the quote I made re: Car and Driver sound dBA was on their website fir anyone to see. I didn't make it up off the top of my head or because I have some emotional need to ensure Hyundai's success with a product or to validate my own purchase decision. I personally just don't like it when people make blanket statements about something and then when it is refuted or disputed and backed up with professional opinions get all testy and call someone names for daring to speak up and present fact based information.

I think she left because of you? There have been many personal attacks here Steve, some in this Thread. Some possibly from you.

I feel sorry for her, and anyone who is having a legitimate problem. Why you had to turn on one of your own I will never know. :whistling:

 

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QUOTE (Bingo Steve @ May 31 2010, 10:30 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=328126

Miami, I never singled anyone out nor did I minimize anyone's issues and as a matter of fact I came to Midas' defense when he was under attack for being over-critical in his survey which is what this thread started as. I also tried to console Ula with my comment regarding the screen and possible reasons why it might be having dimming issues. She even replied politely regarding it. Personal attacks? Ummm, wow, I would love to see that. I have read and re-read this thread and see no such thing coming from anything I posted. Now who is stirring the pot?

No I don't know Steve?
Maybe I have you confused with Midas or this Swingman, and Ula just thought you were uncaring. Defending Midas might not be right? Hopefully Ula will come back, even though it was your comment to her that made her implode. The bottom line, the Hyundai Sonata IS NOT plagued with Defects as some would have you believe, & the Audio Video equipment in the Sonata is just OK with a 3 Year, 36,000 mile Warranty.