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Who has em? Pics? Trying to decide if I want to install them or not. Also does anybody have HID high's?

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Bump. No response? Nobody done HID fogs??
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Mike Eckman
QUOTE (brogers57 @ Sep 28 2010, 11:24 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=359372
Bump. No response? Nobody done HID fogs??
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Please dont.

Neither fogs nor the hi-beam reflectors have the necessary cutoffs to prevent blinding oncoming traffic. You would be a hazard to other people on the road. Further more, since your hi-beams are also used as DRLs, installing HIDs there would cause a problem with the ballasts when the DRLs are on.

If you really like the "HID" look and want that in your fogs either get a good set of blue tinted ones like the Sylvania Silverstars, or go with LEDs.
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I understand what your saying about the fogs. As far as the high beams.. I know they are DRL's, wouldn't a relay kit help with that?
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Mike Eckman
QUOTE (brogers57 @ Sep 28 2010, 12:56 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=359389
I understand what your saying about the fogs. As far as the high beams.. I know they are DRL's, wouldn't a relay kit help with that?
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It would, but the problem is, no one has been able to figure out a way to isolate the DRL circuit from the hi-beam circuit. I posted in a thread a while ago how someone could design a relay circuit to disable the DRLs via a switch located in the cabin of the car, and several people commented that the wiring for it is the same as the hi-beams.

Im sure there is a way, but someone would really have to go through the wiring of the car to figure it out, and I suspect the Sonata is still too now for someone to take on that project.
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QUOTE (Mike Eckman @ Sep 28 2010, 12:07 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=359379
Please dont.

Neither fogs nor the hi-beam reflectors have the necessary cutoffs to prevent blinding oncoming traffic. You would be a hazard to other people on the road. Further more, since your hi-beams are also used as DRLs, installing HIDs there would cause a problem with the ballasts when the DRLs are on.

If you really like the "HID" look and want that in your fogs either get a good set of blue tinted ones like the Sylvania Silverstars, or go with LEDs.
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this is false, as to the fog lights. fog lights are by their very nature designed with a cut-off pattern. Typically OEM fogs are aimed right in front of the car, and spread out to light up the curbs on either side and very little else. They will not blind oncoming drivers unless you either aim them wrong or install the bulbs wrong.
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I have HID's in my fogs, and they do not blind anyone.
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maybe this will help a little, I have 8k HIDs in my headlights and the fogs are LEDs

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Mike Eckman
QUOTE (robspeedGLS @ Sep 28 2010, 06:47 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=359474
this is false, as to the fog lights. fog lights are by their very nature designed with a cut-off pattern. Typically OEM fogs are aimed right in front of the car, and spread out to light up the curbs on either side and very little else. They will not blind oncoming drivers unless you either aim them wrong or install the bulbs wrong.
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I still disagree.

Using your logic, in any lighting enclosure that is designed for halogen bulbs, the shape of the reflector is universally compatible with any light source whether its old school tungsten, halogen, LED, or HID.

Yes, fog lights have a pre-designed beam pattern and a focal point, but I assure you, they do not have cutoffs. The reason most of the light stays low and to the side is because of the reflector, not a cutoff.

Installing an HID in your fog light enclosures will still cast a significant amount of stray light into the eyes of oncoming drivers. It wont be as bad as installing HIDs in the hi-beam lights (that is by far the worst), but HIDs in anything other than enclosures with a proper cutoff is not safe and irresponsible.

Edit: OK, I will admit that I have not seen the design of every single type of OEM foglight enclosure ever made, so I will acknowledge the possibility that there is some car out there with a projector type OEM enclosure with a proper cutoff that would allow HIDs to be installed, but I am quite sure this is uncommon.
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QUOTE (Mike Eckman @ Sep 29 2010, 09:08 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=359591
I still disagree.

Using your logic, in any lighting enclosure that is designed for halogen bulbs, the shape of the reflector is universally compatible with any light source whether its old school tungsten, halogen, LED, or HID.

Yes, fog lights have a pre-designed beam pattern and a focal point, but I assure you, they do not have cutoffs. The reason most of the light stays low and to the side is because of the reflector, not a cutoff.

Installing an HID in your fog light enclosures will still cast a significant amount of stray light into the eyes of oncoming drivers. It wont be as bad as installing HIDs in the hi-beam lights (that is by far the worst), but HIDs in anything other than enclosures with a proper cutoff is not safe and irresponsible.

Edit: OK, I will admit that I have not seen the design of every single type of OEM foglight enclosure ever made, so I will acknowledge the possibility that there is some car out there with a projector type OEM enclosure with a proper cutoff that would allow HIDs to be installed, but I am quite sure this is uncommon.
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you do have a point, UP to a point, about the shape/size of the bulb itself, but EVERY fog light I have ever seen (even supercrap cheap ones from JC whitney, etc.) has had a shield that cuts off light heading upwards. It is a necessity for it being called a "fog light". The whole point is to prevent the light from heading up into the fog/rain/snow above the bumper/hood level so the light stays out of the driver's eyes. This is why fog lights are always mounted low. They shoot under the driver's field of vision to light up the sides of the road so that you can stay off curbs and out of ditches while you creep along in the fog/rain/snow.

Now if the bulb doesnt fit as intended, the shield may or may not be entirely effective. H3 bulbs in particular have a very small "globe" and HID bulbs are typically way longer than that. Whether that alone will destroy the effectiveness of the shield is another issue besides whether there is a shield in place. Fog lights most certainly do not solely rely on reflector shape alone to form the beam pattern.

if the bulb shape proves definitive as far as upwards glare, the shield could always be modified. Personally I think all OEM fog lights are useless decoration and I plan on using aftermarket fogs on my GLS...
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Mike Eckman
QUOTE (robspeedGLS @ Sep 29 2010, 09:27 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=359597
you do have a point, UP to a point, about the shape/size of the bulb itself, but EVERY fog light I have ever seen (even supercrap cheap ones from JC whitney, etc.) has had a shield that cuts off light heading upwards. It is a necessity for it being called a "fog light". The whole point is to prevent the light from heading up into the fog/rain/snow above the bumper/hood level so the light stays out of the driver's eyes. This is why fog lights are always mounted low. They shoot under the driver's field of vision to light up the sides of the road so that you can stay off curbs and out of ditches while you creep along in the fog/rain/snow.

Now if the bulb doesnt fit as intended, the shield may or may not be entirely effective. H3 bulbs in particular have a very small "globe" and HID bulbs are typically way longer than that. Whether that alone will destroy the effectiveness of the shield is another issue besides whether there is a shield in place. Fog lights most certainly do not solely rely on reflector shape alone to form the beam pattern.

if the bulb shape proves definitive as far as upwards glare, the shield could always be modified. Personally I think all OEM fog lights are useless decoration and I plan on using aftermarket fogs on my GLS...
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Sounds like we both have some valid points! :) Isnt the Internet great! :beer:

How about we agree that for the average joe who isnt going to pay attention to bulb/capsule length, and probably has never taken the time to aim even their stock lights, that they should do some research before installing them because there is the potential to have unwanted light stray into the eyes of other drivers. Cause as we know, theres lots of people out there that just do things because "its cool" and don't take into account the implications of what they're doing.
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QUOTE (Mike Eckman @ Sep 29 2010, 10:10 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=359616
Sounds like we both have some valid points! :) Isnt the Internet great! :beer:

How about we agree that for the average joe who isnt going to pay attention to bulb/capsule length, and probably has never taken the time to aim even their stock lights, that they should do some research before installing them because there is the potential to have unwanted light stray into the eyes of other drivers. Cause as we know, theres lots of people out there that just do things because "its cool" and don't take into account the implications of what they're doing.
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Well, I'd agree to that too to some extent, however I will say that I have never, ever been blinded by a set of fog lights. Typically you can tell they are turned on and that's about it, especially OEM ones. What I have been blinded by are the lowbeams on SUVs and trucks simply due to the height at which the lights are mounted (especially when they are coming up from behind), and HID low beams on cars when the oncoming car is coming up a hill or hits a bump.
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QUOTE (jdugan4859 @ Sep 29 2010, 12:56 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=359521
I have HID's in my fogs, and they do not blind anyone.
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Have a link for the LED foglight bulbs?
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QUOTE (jdugan4859 @ Sep 29 2010, 12:56 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=359521
I have HID's in my fogs, and they do not blind anyone.
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Night pics??
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I have to stand corrected on the whole shield issue! I was shopping for fogs last night and I kept seeing more and more of them *without* shields, including the stock ones. I think the stock bulbs have a sort of shield built in however, to the bulb itself. Im debating a set of Micro DEs or Optilux 1450. H7/H8 bulbed fogs, im thinking, would be a better "fit" for HID conversions due to the size of the halogen bulbs vs the HID capsules. Its all speculation however. I will probably try the 1450s with my existing 35w HID kit (DDM) and see how it goes..
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Are there HID conversion kits out there for the '11 accents for the fog lights?
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QUOTE (nikbait @ Jan 28 2011, 06:01 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=395751
Are there HID conversion kits out there for the '11 accents for the fog lights?
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How would people in a YF Sonata 2011 forum know what fits a Accent??? Only ribbing ya, :puzzled:

I am sure they make a HID for any bulb on the market. check out www.hidextra.com they have a section that lets you search by vehicle. Or you can ask in the Accent forum, I am sure they can tell you exactly what bulb number fits the fog lights.
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I put OEM fogs in my '08 Accent and used 35w HIDs. I needed a new lower gill and fog lights but that was about $70 total. Then $50 or so for the HIDs. Wired to a switch that is only on when the key is in run.
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bloodninja
QUOTE (Joeeey @ Jan 28 2011, 06:11 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=395755
How would people in a YF Sonata 2011 forum know what fits a Accent??? Only ribbing ya, :puzzled:

I am sure they make a HID for any bulb on the market. check out www.hidextra.com they have a section that lets you search by vehicle. Or you can ask in the Accent forum, I am sure they can tell you exactly what bulb number fits the fog lights.
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880/ 881 bulbs in 2006-? Accent. Check Sylvania.com's Automotive Replacement Bulb Guide for your exact needs. Many cars use H7 or something for their fogs.
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