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As of 14th July 2018 new fat and stupid Ontario 'leader' killed $14,000 electric vehicle rebate. Currently top Ioniq el sells for almost $50K tax incl. Well, nobody sane is going to pay $50K for that puny, limited distance driving car. Shame...
 

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As of 14th July 2018 new fat and stupid Ontario 'leader' killed $14,000 electric vehicle rebate. Currently top Ioniq el sells for almost $50K tax incl. Well, nobody sane is going to pay $50K for that puny, limited distance driving car. Shame...
Why should the taxpayer subsidize it?
 

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Because if everybody buys cheaper electrical cars, you would breath fresh air, most likely polar caps will stop melting as fast as they do now and in general human race will not be extinct by the year 2300.
And if we can pay for useless little prick's vacations and his chopper rides, why not pay for the good cause???
 

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Lithium mines where the battery materials come from are some of the most polluting mines in the world.

Why subsidize 100k Tesla’s not made here.

Pacifica vans made here in Windsor still have a subsidy.
 

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It's really a sad state of affairs. We all want whats best but we don't want to pay for it. We have government mandates but my question is what are they going to do to generate the billions of dollars from fuel tax.
 

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Plenty of green backs to be made from the green movement unfortunately.

Your a denier the second you want to follow the money trail.

I prefer progressive government moves like LED light subsidies (which I started buying yrs ago) where you encourage lower electricity consumption and everyone sees the progression. Compact fluorescent with its murcury content was the previous environmental forced solution, but we’ll pretend it never happened.

Hydrogen I think is the real solution; but there needs to be steps in between like electric/hybrid.

I care about the environment quite a bit; but I don’t like to get played. Consumer and market place incentives need to lead IMO.
 

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Plenty of green backs to be made from the green movement unfortunately.

Your a denier the second you want to follow the money trail.

I prefer progressive government moves like LED light subsidies (which I started buying yrs ago) where you encourage lower electricity consumption and everyone sees the progression. Compact fluorescent with its murcury content was the previous environmental forced solution, but we’ll pretend it never happened.

Hydrogen I think is the real solution; but there needs to be steps in between like electric/hybrid.

I care about the environment quite a bit; but I don’t like to get played. Consumer and market place incentives need to lead IMO.
Unfortunately, I'm not sure hydrogen is the answer, either. The issue is 'creating' the hydrogen. To produce hydrogen in the scale needed to replace gasoline, the process to separate out the hydrogen uses much more energy than it gives to the car in power. More efficient ways of producing the hydrogen are extremely expensive and slow. Which is the reason hydrogen costs are so high (over $5 for the equivalent to a gallon of gas).

Hopefully we'll have some type of "breakthrough" in being able to isolate out hydrogen for use in cars -- but we aren't there yet and may never be. Instead, it appears the current type of electric cars is likely going to be the future, as new types of batteries are developed; ones that are more environmentally friendly, don't "wear out," and can charge quicker.
 

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Unfortunately the majority of Hydrogen is produced from Hydrocarbon fuels and produces massive amounts of carbon dioxide during the process. Catch 22. There is a new fuel out now called A20 which like E10 uses a blend of Methanol (instead of Ethanol) to reduce emissions. The most unfortunate thing is the volume of engines reliant on petrol around the world.
 

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Lithium mines where the battery materials come from are some of the most polluting mines in the world.

Why subsidize 100k Tesla’s not made here.

Pacifica vans made here in Windsor still have a subsidy.
Any chance of a reference as to why Lithium mines are some of the most polluting inn the world??? I happen to know quite a bit about mining and would very surprised if that statement could be proved.

A little bit like the drive 10-15 years ago to grow huge volumes of corn to produce ethanol to mix with gasoline. Food costs in the third world escalated, ethanol was not exactly willingly embraced by the motoring public and tax concessions produced a huge financial boondoggle., paid for by the taxpayer.
 

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The inter web can be used to find an opinion you want to hear if you search hard enough.
Most polluting is a stretch; if money spent on proper controls mining impact especially hard rock can be minimal.
But lots of China Russia mines, very large water consumption from what I have read.

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/lithium-batteries-environment-impact

The ethanol push was questionable. The original model T ran on potato spirits IIRCC but because of prohibition and boot legging gov forced Ford to switch to petroleum gasoline. Funny how thing sometimes go full circle.
 
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