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Hey guys, I have had a 15 Sport 2.0T for 3 years now and have always wondered why the car is so slow in the first 2 gears and also why the 0-60 times for the Eco are faster than the 2.0T's.....anybody have any good explanations for this? And maybe any possible fixes for this?

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I don't feel mine is slow anymore after I did the induction cleaning. It breaks traction from a stop easily now if I'm not light on the gas. Throttle response is immediate again.

As to eco model being faster, it has a different transmission (8speed dual clutch) and they're also a tad lighter as they aren't offered fully loaded with every bell and whistle like the limited and 2.0 limited are. They don't get the pano roof which adds a lot of weight too. There's easily a 600-800lb difference between a base model and a fully loaded model with every option. That's enough to make a sizable difference.
 

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Its an overweight pig. But, sport is not as heavy as a platniumultimatelimitedbloatedunobtainium edition.

Lower your BMI is a good start.
 

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The car is programmed to limit Tq in 1st gear starts, which is why you can not get anything faster off the line from it even by brake starting it with RPMs in the 2500 area. The 15-18 they put in a smaller turbo less max Hp and Tq but it does get its power at much lower rpm range and has less turbo lag. if you compare our 2.0 to Audi or VW 2.0T our engines make more HP and TQ but we dont get it to the ground efficiently. The Hyundai Automatic is a true slush box with very slow shifts up or down.

The Eco is quicker 0-60 because of the DCT transmission, much faster lock up and shifts. But if you take the ECO 1.6t vs the 2.0t from rolling starts 20/30mph to 60-80 the 2.0T is faster.

Ive test driven the Elantra Sport 1.6T with DCT and 0-60 it is faster than our Sonata 2.0T overall much faster and responsive shifts due to the transmission

I have not seen the times for the 2018 2.0T with the new 8 sp. I would expect them to be a little better, I heard the transmission is tighter and you have the extra gear.
 

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I figured that's what Hyundai did was limit the torque in 1st gear, but honestly it's frustrating because like stated, I've been whooped by so many cars it's not funny and to say I have a 2.0T brings expectations but they honestly aren't met which sucks. I'm honestly considering an Audi/VW because of this reason but don't want to leave the Hyundai group. Maybe I should just wait for the Genesis G70 and call it good.

Does anyone know of any aftermarket fixes for this that don't create a bunch of reliability issues or concerns?
 

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I figured that's what Hyundai did was limit the torque in 1st gear, but honestly it's frustrating because like stated, I've been whooped by so many cars it's not funny and to say I have a 2.0T brings expectations but they honestly aren't met which sucks. I'm honestly considering an Audi/VW because of this reason but don't want to leave the Hyundai group. Maybe I should just wait for the Genesis G70 and call it good.

Does anyone know of any aftermarket fixes for this that don't create a bunch of reliability issues or concerns?
There are almost no true performance aftermarket for the Sonata 2.0t it is a family sedan and I dont think the 2.0 has the market to support performance parts. very different than the Infiniti G or Q, lexus or the german cars-Audi, BMW, MBZ.

There is already dozens of things for the Elantra Sport 1.6T from tunes that will give 75-100 hp increase , exhaust etc. because the market supports it

The Genesis G70 2.0T will be the same as the 18 Sonata 2.0T unless you get it with the manual trans that will be offered in USA (msrp starts at $ 42,000) or get the twin turbo 365 hp V6 but now your into 2x the Sonata price and at $ 52,000 to 57,000 + the selection for a performance sedan gets a lot bigger. Newest projected prices https://www.guideautoweb.com/en/articles/45965/2019-genesis-g70-pricing-announced/
 

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The 2.0T was never meant to be 'sporty,' imo. Before I got my fully loaded 2.0T I test drove a fully loaded 2.4. Also test drove a semi base 2014 Audi a6 3.0t. The 2015 Sonata 2.0T just made way more sense in terms of cost of ownership to me. It doesn't sound busy like the 2.4, but wasn't even close to what the a6 could do. In the end the 2.0T fully loaded is just the better value, experience for a family daily driver, imo.

What I plan to do, and what i'd suggest you do is this... Keep a cheap car like the Sonata and get yourself into an Audi RS3 or TTRS. Unless there are some heavy discounts on the G70 3.3T; i'd opt for the RS3 or TTRS.
 

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I'm honestly considering an Audi/VW because of this reason
I’m an Audi/VW fan. However, I cannot stress enough how expensive this can become. Even with DIY the costs are outrageous. These things are a PITA. Something is always breaking. I’ve replaced countless modules. If you don’t intend on modding, it’s a great warranty only ownership vehicle. If you mod any engine or transmission mapping, their computer will find it. They flag you and it’s over, even if you run separate ECU and TCU. Just for giggles, take notice of how many VWs you see on the side of the road. My neighbors Audi and my VW are always on jack stands with our hoods open.
 

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I drive 100 miles/day round trip for work every day so my dd will rack up a ton of miles so maybe my best option is to just run this into the ground and then just buy a real performance car. Also I have been eyeing the TTRS for awhile now, so maybe my best bet is to have a performance car and a separate dd. Although I also wouldn't mind buying a S5 Sportback and running that into the ground either lol
 

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I drive 100 miles/day round trip for work every day so my dd will rack up a ton of miles so maybe my best option is to just run this into the ground and then just buy a real performance car. Also I have been eyeing the TTRS for awhile now, so maybe my best bet is to have a performance car and a separate dd. Although I also wouldn't mind buying a S5 Sportback and running that into the ground either lol

You sound like your a little bit in my situation, I drive 130 miles a day commute. Have been doing it for 25 years. A long time ago I decided if i was going to spend this much time i a car Id drive cars that were fun for me and in turn Ive spent a ton of $. Ive had a Lincoln LS V6 $30,000, 2 Infiniti M45s $40-45000 each, a G37s infiniti $42,000, MBZ C250 $39000. Drove each one to about 120-150,000 miles and sold them before having to throw a lot into repairs. When I totaled the C250 I was looking at BMW, Audi, another MBZ and even throwing around a new Corvette. Then I happened to see the Hyundai ad last year with $ 6500 rebates , never ever thought Id even take the time to look at one. But I did and for $ 21,800 out the door for a car that was probably 80% or more as quiet, comfortable and as we have said not a rocket but not a total dog either (especially if your in the 35 - 80 mph avg driving ) at more than 1/2 the price. If things stay the same Ill keep driving something like a Sonata or Elantra sport for my DD and look into what I used to waste my $ on for a weekend and vacation car.
 

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I drive 100 miles/day round trip for work every day so my dd will rack up a ton of miles so maybe my best option is to just run this into the ground and then just buy a real performance car. Also I have been eyeing the TTRS for awhile now, so maybe my best bet is to have a performance car and a separate dd. Although I also wouldn't mind buying a S5 Sportback and running that into the ground either lol

You sound like your a little bit in my situation, I drive 130 miles a day commute. Have been doing it for 25 years. A long time ago I decided if i was going to spend this much time i a car Id drive cars that were fun for me and in turn Ive spent a ton of $. Ive had a Lincoln LS V6 $30,000, 2 Infiniti M45s $40-45000 each, a G37s infiniti $42,000, MBZ C250 $39000. Drove each one to about 120-150,000 miles and sold them before having to throw a lot into repairs. When I totaled the C250 I was looking at BMW, Audi, another MBZ and even throwing around a new Corvette. Then I happened to see the Hyundai ad last year with $ 6500 rebates , never ever thought Id even take the time to look at one. But I did and for $ 21,800 out the door for a car that was probably 80% or more as quiet, comfortable and as we have said not a rocket but not a total dog either (especially if your in the 35 - 80 mph avg driving ) at more than 1/2 the price. If things stay the same Ill keep driving something like a Sonata or Elantra sport for my DD and look into what I used to waste my $ on for a weekend and vacation car.
I agree. Hyundai’s are a great value. I never thought I would own one, let alone two. I did really well last year in the stock market, exponentially better in crypto currency. I am eyeing the Z06 and A7, maybe a GTR. However, it’s hard to justify spending so much on vehicles. My daughter wants a Lexus ES for her first car. I may grant that wish. How embarrassing my daughter driving a classier car than me.
 

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I agree. Hyundai’s are a great value. I never thought I would own one, let alone two. I did really well last year in the stock market, exponentially better in crypto currency. I am eyeing the Z06 and A7, maybe a GTR. However, it’s hard to justify spending so much on vehicles. My daughter wants a Lexus ES for her first car. I may grant that wish. How embarrassing my daughter driving a classier car than me.
Share some of that stock and crypto info :) !

I loved the new Corvette and dollar for dollar performance car I think it is a great deal and FUN to drive.

I know what you mean about the kids, my oldest son got a loaded Dodge 4x4 12 yr ago when he got his license and my younger son got a 2011 Mustang GT loaded when he passed his license. My wife pushed that they deserved it , I gave in happy wife happy life ! My first car was a 1962 VW bug that needed a engine rebuild in the first few months.
 

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Share some of that stock and crypto info <img src="http://www.hyundai-forums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" /> !.
I am expecting a recession in 2020. During this recession, I expect financials and techs to do well, particularly Wells Fargo and PayPal. I also expect a GE turnaround. I’ll enter there once they break below $9. That’s a risk, the dividends will be cut, but the current CEO is making moves that give me faith. I held a lot of GE stock, great returns. Their accounting was looking sketchy. I exited early last year, ~$30. One of my better trades. Hard to let go of so many shares but thank God I did.

I love Vangurd mutual funds and their low fees. I’ve held Wellington (amazing fund - VWENX), STAR, Equity Income, and SP500. I’m holding a lot of cash waiting for this recession. I’m a millennial. I came into the market at a piss poor time. I’m going to capitalize on this recession entry. I will put 20% of my stack in the SP500 (VFIAX).

I cashed out of crypto entirely when BTC peaked at ~20k, same for Ethereum’s peak. I expect a more epic crash mid 2019. I’ll watch closely for entry when BTC crashes below $3K, and Ethereum below $250. There are a lot of crypto idiots that are holding some heavy bags; taking out student loans, mortgages and 401Ks. I expect as their financial situation dwindles more, they no longer wait for break even and cash out, as we close in on recession. There is currently a lot of downward pressure as people get back to breaking even, thus cashing out - over invested individuals. I don’t view this market as anything other than taking money from inexperienced traders.

I used trade a lot in my post. I’m typically a long term holder.
 

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From Wall Street back to the performance aspect of the 2.0T.



Why not get an ecu upgrade e.g. Lap 3 Uncle Chip? Maybe a 50 HP increase with 93 octane.
 

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