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2015 Santa Fe Sport - Knock Sensor Detection System campaign notice

I received this campaign notice from Hyundai. Is this a gimmick to spare them the cost of replacing our engines that shake and vibrate when we come to a stop? As I understand it, affected engines of 2012 to 2014 SFS were replaced. My 2015 2.4L GDI always shakes and feels like it is going to stall when I come to a stop. I am just wondering if this Hyundai Knock Sensor Detection System campaign is their response to this engine problem.
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Ahhhhhhhh...

https://www.carcomplaints.com/news/2...-lawsuit.shtml

So instead of doing a recall and replacing their flawed engines, they will offer the band-aid (knock sensor detection system campaign).

If they recalled SFS models from 2013 and 2014 (see history and reasoning for recall in this link)

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a1...gine-failures/

...they why is Hyundai not recalling 2015 models as well.

They very same issues that affect the 13’ and 14’ models affect my 15’.

So I must ask the question again. Does anyone else have a 2015 or 2016 SFS 2.4L that feels like it is going to stall when you come to a stop?
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https://www.hyundai-forums.com/lf-20...ign-953-a.html

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My 15 Santa Fe does not have this problem. But it's on 38,000 kms

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I received this campaign notice from Hyundai. Is this a gimmick to spare them the cost of replacing our engines that shake and vibrate when we come to a stop? As I understand it, affected engines of 2012 to 2014 SFS were replaced. My 2015 2.4L GDI always shakes and feels like it is going to stall when I come to a stop. I am just wondering if this Hyundai Knock Sensor Detection System campaign is their response to this engine problem.
I think for the SFS the MY were 2013 and 2014 - despite Hyundai initially saying the "problem" had been fixed by then, but that essentially was a bold faced lie.
Yes the knock sensor campaign is in response to the risk of engine seizing and stalling in MY2015 with Theta II engines, time will tell whether your engine is giving you warning that's it preparing to seize. Calling it a band aid is being kind IMO, it's a kludge in an attempt to forestall additional recall and lawsuits from the engine seizing and lighting on fire.

Complete debacle, I don't drive the SFS much as it's mostly my wife's car but when I do I'm considering wearing a paper bag over my face to hide the embarrassment that I got sucked into buying a Hyundai, never again.
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I would think it's only a matter of time before this campaign is extended to earlier model yrs. - if it doesn't prove to be problematic and put too many vehicles into limp home mode.

When the original recall was announced I mentioned jokingly that Hyundai should have been required to install and bottomed end knock sensor - but they ended up using the one up top - time will tell how many false positives cause limp home modes.

When a Hyundai goes into limp home does one only need to erase the DTC to get back into normal operation ?

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Not everything is a gimmick or a Dealer or manufacturer trying to get out of something. As I understand it at this time....The software updates is designed to help detect a potential engine failure BEFORE it has a catastrophic failure. Engine RPMs would be limited to around 1,800 to 2,000 RPM, so it would not be a complete reduction of engine power like you have when the throttle position sensors do not agree and you are limited to crawling along at 5-15 MPH on level ground.

I doubt you will ever see a recall to replace every engine proactively because every engine most likely does not have the defect. I agree it will be interesting to see if false positives are created by other failures. We'll see...

I had the software update done as soon as it was released since our sister store is a Hyundai Dealer. I am not sure if the shift adapts reset as a part of the process. If not then there may also be some updates to shift points. In my experience....Your mileage may vary....My 2015 seems to up shift a little earlier in normal drive mode, which i do not mind as I always thought it stretched out the shifts a bit farther than it needed to.

Gator....Your condition does not at all sound like a mechanical engine failure. If it was you
'd probably know it by now.....
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Not everything is a gimmick or a Dealer or manufacturer trying to get out of something. As I understand it at this time....The software updates is designed to help detect a potential engine failure BEFORE it has a catastrophic failure. Engine RPMs would be limited to around 1,800 to 2,000 RPM, so it would not be a complete reduction of engine power like you have when the throttle position sensors do not agree and you are limited to crawling along at 5-15 MPH on level ground.

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The update fits the classic definition of a "kludge" - which is exactly what it is - and in this case the manufacture is clearly trying to avoid more lawsuits/recalls when their defective engine seize and in some cases burst into flames, it does not solve the problem of a defective engine and hence I'd agree can be considered a "band aid"

It is likely very sophisticated SW program that Hyundai spent considerable time developing and testing, next up they will probably install screech tabs on all their crank bearings like brake pads .

But it's not part of any mandatory recall that I'm aware of and to date I've not heard that Hyundai has extended the warranty on my engine - so I'm skipping the update if and when they apply it to 2013 and I would encourage other owners to also boycott the update until Hyundai provides additional support. The recall notice should be accompanied by a notice of warranty extension as well when an owner gets the update done.

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The letter I got from Hyundai for my 2015 Santa Fe Sport calls this a "Product Improvement Campaign" and states they are extending the warranty for engine long block repairs due to excessive rod bearing damage "upon completion of this Product Improvement Campaign". The extension is 10 years or 120,000 miles.
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oh that is great news, 150k would have been nicer but it's good to hear. thanks, I'll cancel my 1 man boycott.....

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