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Ultimate 2.4 FWD vs 2.0T?

Current Sonata 2.0T owner, and looking to replace it with a Santa Fe. Yesterday I met with a dealer and negotiated terms on a new 2019 Ultimate 2.4, Rainforest. The car was out as a loaner vehicle for the manager’s wife for the weekend, but I have an appointment tomorrow to sign paperwork and buy it. $30.3k after incentives, apparently another $500 back through work, so $29.7k and receiving $7k on a 2011 Sonata Limited 2.0T turbo trade.

Has anyone spent extensive time with both engine options, or input on the 2.4 engine option specifically? I don’t plan to tow anything, and currently live at a low elevation, but may take occasional road trips into the mountains and I am coming from a 2.0T Sonata.

Consumer Reports recommends the 2.4 over the 2.0T, while other critical reviews prefer the 2.0T but note turbo lag and feel both are underpowered. Motor Trends originally tested 2.0T against the 2.4 and found the 2.0T slower than the 2.4, but then re-tested and found the reverse true— they attributed the poor initial test to high environmental temperature. Since I’m in Texas, most of the year will be high environmental temperature. On user reviews (Edmunds, KBB, etc), I don’t find a difference between 2.4 and 2.0T owner satisfaction except during test drives— one side thinks the 2.4 is dangerously underpowered and the other side found the 2.0T responds poorly, both comments seemingly hyperbolic with no clear consensus.

The 2.4 engine option also seems right in line with most of the competition, and not underpowered for this class: Subaru Forester is nearly identical 0-60 with no turbo or V6 option, as is the base model Outback, base model CR-V, gas RAV4 (no turbo or V6 option), etc... so the 2.4 Santa Fe seems no worse in this regard. The poor critical reviews for the 2.4 engine option seem like a result of doing the press event at high elevation and from offering the 2.0T option, so they’ve focused on sportiness and responsivity compared to other cars in its class.

Between specs on paper of the 2.4 being par for this segment, the CR recommendation of choosing the 2.4, and better engine responsiveness on streets.

I test drove both back to back yesterday, and also test drove each individually at others times. 2.0T definitely has more low end pull, and I’m used to a turbo in the Sonata, but I could definitely induce some unpleasant shifts with the 2.0T, whereas the 2.4 felt quite smooth. For what it’s worth, I also had a base 2018 Tuscon as a loaner during 2.0T warrantied engine replacement for a month, and surprisingly didn’t mind the base engine— would have preferred a little more power, quieter cabin, but day to day it was fine, and liked the overall powertrain refinement in comparison to the Sonata 2.0T. The Santa Fe 2.4 seems like it would deliver that. As another data point, my first car was a 2007 Honda Fit and grew to hate the lack of power on that vehicle.

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Personally, I wouldn't consider anything but the turbo. However it depends on your driving habits. I like the extra power available and find the 2.4 under powered. But that's me.
There does seem to be some shifting issues. Hopefully that will be dealt with. I don't believe the 2019 Santa Fe responds as quickly as my 2013 did. It's also somewhat heavier, so maybe that's it.
There's really nothing to do but test drive both.
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I've got the 2.4 Ultimate AWD and it's fine for me. It's far from peppy but in the rare times I need to stomp on the gas to merge, it gets enough power to the wheels. I like the smoothness and quiet that it provides. Besides the incredible amount of technology for the price, the real dealmaker for me was seat comfort which is very good on my back with the way the lumbar can be adjusted. This time of year I've had some 31+ MPG commutes, which is nice too. The tall 8th gear seems to get the engine in its most efficient sweet spot at highway speeds.

When I was younger I used to be much more interested in horsepower, torque, and 0-60 times. At some point I realized that I drive kind of mellow and it is rare for me to floor the gas pedal, so now I'm more about comfort, tech, and safety features (and full disclosure: I also have a second sporty car for when I want to have a little fun behind the wheel but I still don't drive it like a maniac).

In your case, there is a bit of a red flag with your comment about your 2007 Honda Fit. I've never driven one but if you had a lot of trouble with the lack of power in it, the 2.0t might be for you instead of the 2.4. My Hyundai dealer was pretty generous about letting me take a longer test drive. You might want to take a longer drive with the 2.4 before you commit. Hope you found this helpful.
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I would take a long test drive with the 2.4 and see how it works for you in stop/go city driving and merging onto the interstate.

If you are at sea level you will probably find the 2.4 engine acceptable. If you are at my altitude, the power loss of 3% for every 1000 feet above sea level is very noticeable and you would probably prefer the 2.0T.

If you do a lot of highway driving, the fuel economy of the 2.4L is better by about 4mpg in real life driving conditions based on my experience-about 30mpg at 75mph versus 26mpg at same speed with the 2.0T Santa Fe.

As for turbo lag, I really don't notice it. Boost comes on early and the engine's max torque hits at 1500 rpm and stays constant (about 260 ft-lbs (350Nm)) till about 4000 rpm before it drops off. Torque is what pushes you back in your seat. HP peaks about about 5300 rpm. https://www.automobile-catalog.com/c...mited_awd.html

I do get a little impatient with the 2.0T because I have 2 turbo-diesels in my fleet and their acceleration is impressive without having to exceed 3000 rpm-guess I'm ruined by this because I often have to spool the 2.0T up to 5,000 rpm to get up to speed as quickly as my diesels do. The tranny doesn't take advantage of the 2.0T's torque but I feel that is to preserve the bearings from imploding.

Good luck and please share your findings and final decision.
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I wouldn’t buy either without a good test run. You are the one who is going to have to make this call. I love the turbo. It’s my second 2.0T Santa Fe Sport/Santa Fe.
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Current Sonata 2.0T owner, and looking to replace it with a Santa Fe. Yesterday I met with a dealer and negotiated terms on a new 2019 Ultimate 2.4, Rainforest. The car was out as a loaner vehicle for the managerís wife for the weekend, but I have an appointment tomorrow to sign paperwork and buy it. $30.3k after incentives, apparently another $500 back through work, so $29.7k and receiving $7k on a 2011 Sonata Limited 2.0T turbo trade.

Has anyone spent extensive time with both engine options, or input on the 2.4 engine option specifically? I donít plan to tow anything, and currently live at a low elevation, but may take occasional road trips into the mountains and I am coming from a 2.0T Sonata.

Consumer Reports recommends the 2.4 over the 2.0T, while other critical reviews prefer the 2.0T but note turbo lag and feel both are underpowered. Motor Trends originally tested 2.0T against the 2.4 and found the 2.0T slower than the 2.4, but then re-tested and found the reverse trueó they attributed the poor initial test to high environmental temperature. Since Iím in Texas, most of the year will be high environmental temperature. On user reviews (Edmunds, KBB, etc), I donít find a difference between 2.4 and 2.0T owner satisfaction except during test drivesó one side thinks the 2.4 is dangerously underpowered and the other side found the 2.0T responds poorly, both comments seemingly hyperbolic with no clear consensus.

The 2.4 engine option also seems right in line with most of the competition, and not underpowered for this class: Subaru Forester is nearly identical 0-60 with no turbo or V6 option, as is the base model Outback, base model CR-V, gas RAV4 (no turbo or V6 option), etc... so the 2.4 Santa Fe seems no worse in this regard. The poor critical reviews for the 2.4 engine option seem like a result of doing the press event at high elevation and from offering the 2.0T option, so theyíve focused on sportiness and responsivity compared to other cars in its class.

Between specs on paper of the 2.4 being par for this segment, the CR recommendation of choosing the 2.4, and better engine responsiveness on streets.

I test drove both back to back yesterday, and also test drove each individually at others times. 2.0T definitely has more low end pull, and Iím used to a turbo in the Sonata, but I could definitely induce some unpleasant shifts with the 2.0T, whereas the 2.4 felt quite smooth. For what itís worth, I also had a base 2018 Tuscon as a loaner during 2.0T warrantied engine replacement for a month, and surprisingly didnít mind the base engineó would have preferred a little more power, quieter cabin, but day to day it was fine, and liked the overall powertrain refinement in comparison to the Sonata 2.0T. The Santa Fe 2.4 seems like it would deliver that. As another data point, my first car was a 2007 Honda Fit and grew to hate the lack of power on that vehicle.
If you haven't, you need to drive both of these yourself. I would not rely on having driven the 2.0T Sonata.

My read of the CR criticism of the 2.0T is that the hesitation is when you stomp on the gas; not in normal driving and moderate acceleration situations. I haven't driven either yet, but will in the next few weeks. I plan to run the 2.0T through its paces to flush out the CR concerns, and see if they are legit.
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If you are coming from a Sonata 2.0T, you are not going to like the 2.4
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If you are coming from a Sonata 2.0T, you are not going to like the 2.4
I went from a 2017 2.0T to a Ď19 2.4 and have no regrets. Much better MPG and a lot less maintenance. Plus it seems a lot quieter at highway speeds.
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I went from a 2017 2.0T to a ‘19 2.4 and have no regrets. Much better MPG and a lot less maintenance. Plus it seems a lot quieter at highway speeds.
Explain the "A lot less maintenance" difference between the 2 because I see absolutely no difference.



I also get 28-30mpg on the highway. What are you getting?
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Oil changes went from 3000 miles on my 2.0T to 7500 with the 2.4. Iíve made 2 250 mile trips at 75-80mph and got 35mpg on one trip and 33.5 on the other, which was into a 30mph head wind. Getting 25-28mpg city. All readings were calculated, not computer readout.

Saving on tires as well cause with the 2.0T I could burn rubber from a standing start in Sport mode, something that the 2.4 wonít do.

Both engines are well suited to the Santa Fe, but after owning both I can honestly say I donít miss the turbo.
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