this is mostly for north america and maybe UK I wanted to share something with you all

This is for the do it yourself guy’s that changed their oil by them self and want the best for their cars read on it's really interesting

http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilterstudy.html
http://www.twocreeks.net/toby/oil_filters/index.shtml
http://www.ntpog.org/reviews/filters/filters.shtml
This is an e-Mail from someone that worked at Fram
http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilter-fram1.txt

please tell us what you feel about this
these sites are old but the problem with Fram filters is still the same
I opened one and here it is same old cardboard covers
(IMG:http://pages.infinit.net/roblae/FramCPH7317.jpg)
same old FRAM SCAM B/S
(IMG:http://pages.infinit.net/roblae/FramCPH7317media.jpg)

there has been a lot of talk about the poor performance of fram filters in the past on this forum, whats wrong with the genuine filter?

Weird! I did a search for Fram and found nothing???

Well the fact is most do it your selfer's don’t by the OEM filter they buy Fram thinking they are buying a quality product

sooooo I wanted to alert consumers
even as we type I have a google ad for Fram filter in my screen

Do you change your oil by yourself? And you always use the OEM filter?

This post has been edited by lightningTib: Aug 20 2005, 08:55 AM

yes l always do my own all changes every 5,000 miles and always use a genuine filter

same the oem filter is your best bet i think i tryed getting a filter for my tib and every different brand at canadian tire looked different so i go an oem and never looked back and for ony like 5.00 bucks theres no compatition.

the OEM filters seemed to be touted by many of the members here,
but has anyone tried the K&N oil filters?

K&N filter use a synthetic filter media they have great efficiency and give less resistance to passing oil but at a hefty price IMO
Currently I use OEM paper media or Mobil1 M1-207 filter that also uses a synthetic filter media similar to K&N but half the price
I’ve notice that my oil stayed cleaner longer with these synthetic filters in fact last time I changed my oil it still looked pretty clean


FYI all the oil filter at Canadian Tire are the same
Quaker State, Motomaster, Pennzoil they are all made cheaply the same way by FRAM Honeywell

This post has been edited by lightningTib: Nov 18 2005, 05:58 PM

That's because they are all made BY Fram. However the Valvoline filters are made by Purolator. I'm haven't taken a look at the Purolator filters to see if they are similar to the OEM ones though. BTW there are only I think 3 actual oil filter manufactures (not including K&N) but they are marketed under many different brands. Does anybody know who actually makes the Hyundai OEM filters?

There is a Hyundai TSB that *some* aftermarket fuel filters can cause knock. The reason is that there is a bypass valve built into the filter so that if the filter media cannot pass through enough oil, the bypass valve opens to prevent oil starvation. Fram is one of the filters that does not have a compatible bypass valve. I believe the filter Fram has that fits a Honda will also fit the Elantra filter mounting. But due to these problems, Fram has DELISTED their Hyundai Elantra applications (i.e., they do NOT sell filters for Elantras). I haven't checked if the same is true for all models.

The TSB in question is 05-20-002, issued in July, 2005, titled "USE OF AFTERMARKET ENGINE OIL FILTERS CAUSING ENGINE KNOCKING NOISE", with an applicability of "ALL MODELS".

Here is the text of the TSB:
At my local dealer, an OEM filter costs $6. Sure you can get something cheaper at Pep Boys, but in the long run, I'm not gonna bet my warranty on it.

In this link from another forum, someone actually cut open an OEM filter and an aftermarket filter and compared them, and the OEM filter is clearly better, with more than three times the filter media area. Also on that board, there have been a few people who had engines replaced under warranty, and a few who weren't covered under warranty because there was a Fram filter on the car when it was taken in for the warranty repair. At least in the case of the Elantra, the Fram filter that fits does NOT meet Hyundai specs and, like I said, Fram does not list a filter for the Elantra.

This post has been edited by Doohickie: Apr 12 2006, 11:14 PM

there is a law that states that a car manufacturer cannot void a waranty if a customer did not use a genuine OEM parts if they do not offer this part for free

FYI allmost all oil filters have a bypass valve, if you look in the first pic you can see the cheap fram bypass valve
it's the metal thing in the botom left.

and btw Hyundai now only have one filter for all model and years

But since Fram does not list Hyundai Elantra as an application, the dealer can claim improper maintenance. Maybe it has the valve but it just doesn't open at the right pressure or something. But Fram is BAD for Hyundais.

lol FRAM is bad for any engine

They are made by Hyundai Mobis in Korea

Actually, They can IF the part does not meet OEM specs. The way it reads is If the manufacturer says use ONLY their part OR your warranty will be avoided, THEN they must provide it free of charge. that is why if you read most owners manuals, it will state " use a quality (fluid, filter, whatever) that meets genuine (OEM Manufacturer name here) specifications such as "genuine (again, insert Manufacturer name here) parts.

The Mobil and K&N filters are one in the same, only difference is the K&N has a nice little nut thing to assist in removal. They are both built by Champion Labs, the same company that makes the Wal-Mart house brand "Supertech" (Oil Filters) Which, BTW, are a very good quality filter in themselves. Also note that the more a filter 'filters' the less Flow it will have. There is always a trade off in flow vs filtration.

As for FRAM, well, there are much better filters for less $$. And they won't blow up your motor in short order,either. however, neither will that "Save-Mart" 10w-30 'quality' oil, either..

Thanks for the clear up :thumbsup:

I entirely agree but you also have to consider that synthetic filter elements Mobil1 and K&N flows a lot more oil and cleans a lot better than conventional paper elements
I can’t vouch by supertec filters we don’t have them in Canada, Wall Mart here only sells Honeywell or Fram witch is the same crap.


This post has been edited by lightningTib: Apr 17 2006, 07:45 AM

The synthetic material will not flow more oil. Again, you have to take in account the trade-off between smaller micron filtration and less flow, or larger micron filtration and more flow. a certain-sized hole will only flow so much no matter what the element is made of.

I better knock on wood but I have not had a problem with the fram filters that i know of, i have used the frams for about 60,000 miles on my 2000 sonata v-6 and have not seen a problem with them and im at 92,000. I have since changed to buying the dealer filters for only 6 bucks a piece, not bad i think.

steve

False the syntetic filter has a lot more hole per square surface that the paper filter has

Hi. I am interested in what "law" is being referenced here, regarding the potential for a Hyundai warranty void if non OEM oil filters are used. Is this "law" state or federal? What is this law and where is it published? Also, does Hyundai publish a list of accepted and comparable oil filters for the 2003 ACCENT model? Any information would be appreciated. Thanks. Mike

federal law- magnooson vs. moss warrenty act (google it and be prepared for a long read) Basically the dealer has to prove aftermarket part caused failure. But save yourself the hassle and buy OE filters, they're better than any of the aftermarket anyhow. The best way I've had it explained to me is that do you think Hyundai would risk massive financial loss on their warrenty by putting a crappy oil filter on their engines? I think not.

ive always used fram, c tire filters, and have never had any problems nor have i ever seen or heard of any caused by a fram filter...
i think its just a false rumor.
my father years ago used to say something about penzoil motor oil too though i cannot remmeber what ...