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I've read that Kia is getting an Amanti upgrade (the "VG") for 2010, to be released in August. For anyone who has any familiarity with the Amanti (rebadged XG350, which was the predecessor of the Azera), I'm sure you'll agree it is a much-needed improvement for Kia. What isn't clear is whether Hyundai will get their version of the VG platform to upgrade the Azera for 2010 or if the Azera will be discontinued to allow Hyundai to focus on marketing only one version of the VG platform for Kia and one version of the Genesis platform for Hyundai.

Any thoughts or rumors would be appreciated. If 2009 is in fact the last year for the Azera, do you think this will cause difficulty in the form of increased depreciation and harder-to-find parts for Azera owners or do you think it will be a net positive for Azera owners? Optimists may conclude that a discontinued Azera would result in even better value for buyers after August 2009 and possibly set up collector's-item status for 2006-9 Azera owners.
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QUOTE (Not yet an owner @ Jun 7 2009, 10:54 PM) *
I've read that Kia is getting an Amanti upgrade (the "VG") for 2010, to be released in August. For anyone who has any familiarity with the Amanti (rebadged XG350, which was the predecessor of the Azera), I'm sure you'll agree it is a much-needed improvement for Kia. What isn't clear is whether Hyundai will get their version of the VG platform to upgrade the Azera for 2010 or if the Azera will be discontinued to allow Hyundai to focus on marketing only one version of the VG platform for Kia and one version of the Genesis platform for Hyundai.

Any thoughts or rumors would be appreciated.


*I saw a Hyundai TV commercial that featured the entire Hyundai line up sans the Azera. Hmmmm....why would they show every Hyundai offering except the Azera? I dunno, just saying.

*A service manager at a Hyundai dealership told me that the Azera was going to be discontinued. This is a tuff one because it is sometimes hard to tell which ones (Hyundai service people) are giving you s#!t talk.

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If 2009 is in fact the last year for the Azera, do you think this will cause difficulty in the form of increased depreciation and harder-to-find parts for Azera owners or do you think it will be a net positive for Azera owners?


After dealing with Hyundai on the local level and the corporate level over the past two years, I'm betting on this one: "do you think this will cause difficulty in the form of increased depreciation and harder-to-find parts for Azera owners".

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Optimists may conclude that a discontinued Azera would result in even better value for buyers after August 2009 and possibly set up collector's-item status for 2006-9 Azera owners.

This would be in the catagory of "wishful thinking"
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Collectors item... yea... right.....
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I've been scouring the web for months on this question, and there seems to be no definitive answer yet. If I were the betting type, though, I'd say the Azera under any name is dead, except at Kia.

Collector's item? No. The cars that become collector's items were the objects of desire when they were new. Rightly or wrongly, the Azera basically passed by unnoticed, partly because it's not a flashy or sporty car by design.

As for parts availability, I don't think it will make much difference whether the car is discontinued. The next one will be different anyway. I wouldn't expect a lot of problems for at least a while, for two reasons: First, there will still be Hyundai dealers (i.e., this ain't Chrysler). Second, the same engine lives on in some other Hyundais, and that accounts for a lot of parts.


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I'm with you Boosted!
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Rightly or wrongly, the Azera basically passed by unnoticed, partly because it's not a flashy or sporty car by design.


But mostly because Hyundai's promotion of the car here in the US was somewhere between non-existent and weak. The same could be said of the XGs. It's almost as though they didn't have enough confidence in them to waste money on advertising. They should have been pounding the air waves with the Azera.
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Yeah, there is no way the Azera will become a mainstream collector's item. It has bland styling up front and falls into the category of the Avalon. I suspect the same will happen with the late Pontiac GTO as its styling is sub-par from what the enthusiasts expected.
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Several weeks ago I participated in a over-the-net talk session in the Hyundai Think Tank with the VP ( I think) of Hyundai responsible for Azera in the US . He was emphatic that the Azera was not going to be discontinued. This session was about features that we liked and they asked about other possible features to be added or discontinued. They did bring up whether we would want to see the Azera as an upgrade to the Sonata and everyone said no. Now everyone can take it for what its worth and whether he would actually tell us it was going to be DC. But I doubt he would be wasting his time and ours looking for input on features we like and dislike and our opinions on additional features if they were going to get rid of it. So who knows. I did see an article on the web about Toyota looking like it might be getting rid of the Avalon after 2010. As far as car commercials go except for the most popular cars we don't see many except for Camrys, Accords, Civics, Malibus, and VWs mostly. Can't think of seeing many in the same class as Azera by the other makers. Oh well, just my input.
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post Jun 9 2009, 12:48 AM
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QUOTE (Not yet an owner @ Jun 7 2009, 08:54 PM) *
I've read that Kia is getting an Amanti upgrade (the "VG") for 2010, to be released in August. For anyone who has any familiarity with the Amanti (rebadged XG350, which was the predecessor of the Azera), I'm sure you'll agree it is a much-needed improvement for Kia. What isn't clear is whether Hyundai will get their version of the VG platform to upgrade the Azera for 2010 or if the Azera will be discontinued to allow Hyundai to focus on marketing only one version of the VG platform for Kia and one version of the Genesis platform for Hyundai.

Any thoughts or rumors would be appreciated. If 2009 is in fact the last year for the Azera, do you think this will cause difficulty in the form of increased depreciation and harder-to-find parts for Azera owners or do you think it will be a net positive for Azera owners? Optimists may conclude that a discontinued Azera would result in even better value for buyers after August 2009 and possibly set up collector's-item status for 2006-9 Azera owners.


First of all let me state that I am a true Hyundai fan. I owned an 07 Azera for over a year and currently own an 07 Santa Fe Limited.

A very close friend of mine is a General Manager for a successful Hyundai, Mitsubishi dealership in Tucson. It is his belief that Hyundai will be concentrating on the Sonata and Genesis models, as far as their family sedans are concerned. I certainly concur.

My 2007 Santa Fe Limited may be the best automobile I have ever owned, taking into consideration, build quality, fit and finish quality, engine performance per CC, and overall value considering the bells and whistles included.

I also believe that while hyundai may be cutting costs on each new model year, they will still contunue to produce some of the most quality for dollar vehicles in the world.

By the way, I bought my first new Hyundai in 1988. The last I heard, the Exel was still running with over 200,000 miles on the original engine with no rebuild.

I truly wish that the USA would build vehicles with the same quality, but with union and Obama involvement, it does not look good for us in the future, in many respects.

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It is too bad that Hyundai wants to pull the plug on the Azera. Really the Azera has a good body and I have received many good comments on the design of the car from the outside. Reading this forum I see that many Azera owners have problems with their Azera's. Suspension problems, dash, seats, speakers, body side molding, and headlights. There are flaws but overall their are many cars on the market today including the most expensive automobiles that have the same sort of problems. As long as Hyundai stands behind their cars and the dealers fix the cars that is all that matters.

I love my Azera and I have a few problems but overall I think the Azera is a pretty darn good car. I only have 18,000 miles on the car three years old but not a bad car and I had many. There is always room for improvement in any automobile but Hyundai never gave Azera a chance to make in here in America.

Lack of advertisement, and not gettting the word out about the Azera caused poor sales. I think if most Americans knew about the automobile they would buy it. It is a deal for what one receives. The only way I found out about the Azera is going to a Acura dealership and I saw one on the lot. Shortly thereafter I saw a anticle in Car and Driver Magaine about the Azera. The first year Azera did have some articles in some press. But ever since 2006 Azera has been on the back lot. Shame on Hyundai as they really botched this one up. If the Azera goes away the fault is on Hyundai and there advertisement team.
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QUOTE (heypal @ Jun 9 2009, 05:26 AM) *
It is too bad that Hyundai wants to pull the plug on the Azera. Really the Azera has a good body and I have received many good comments on the design of the car from the outside. Reading this forum I see that many Azera owners have problems with their Azera's. Suspension problems, dash, seats, speakers, body side molding, and headlights. There are flaws but overall their are many cars on the market today including the most expensive automobiles that have the same sort of problems. As long as Hyundai stands behind their cars and the dealers fix the cars that is all that matters.

I love my Azera and I have a few problems but overall I think the Azera is a pretty darn good car. I only have 18,000 miles on the car three years old but not a bad car and I had many. There is always room for improvement in any automobile but Hyundai never gave Azera a chance to make in here in America.

Lack of advertisement, and not gettting the word out about the Azera caused poor sales. I think if most Americans knew about the automobile they would buy it. It is a deal for what one receives. The only way I found out about the Azera is going to a Acura dealership and I saw one on the lot. Shortly thereafter I saw a anticle in Car and Driver Magaine about the Azera. The first year Azera did have some articles in some press. But ever since 2006 Azera has been on the back lot. Shame on Hyundai as they really botched this one up. If the Azera goes away the fault is on Hyundai and there advertisement team.


Heypal,

You are absolutely correct regarding poor advertising, etc..

Most purchasers of the Azera are of the older generation. But the Azera is not for the young, working parents of today. In other words, it is a poor yuppy mobile.

The suspension is much too soft and the younger generation, and some of us older folks, do not feel comfortabel with this.

Value wise, the Azera is a fantastic machine but in my humble opinion, does not hold a candle to my 2007 Santa Fe Limited and cannot compare to the newer generation Hyundais such as the Genesis sedan and Genesis coupe.

As you pointed out, the way Hyundai handles their warranty claims is also fantastic.

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As you pointed out, the way Hyundai handles their warranty claims is also fantastic.
David <><


This may be true in your neck o' the woods but my experience has been a little different. It seems that the dealer can't go to the restroom without asking permision from Hyundai Corporate.

I've had four problems fixed under warranty and each time there was a two day wait for review and approval from Hyundai for the fixes. When I tried to get them to replace the shocks (this was before the TSB was issued), they flat out refused and said that there was nothing wrong. A few weeks later, the TSB came out and I went back in armed with the TSB and they reluctantly did the job.

After a period of time, as you well know, the shocks wore out again. This time they refused to replace them again. I contacted Hyundai customer service and they got the local corporate " District Parts and Service manager" involved. I received a very cold, mater of fact letter basically stating that nothing is wrong with my shocks or suspension....period. See my post number #83 here for more detail on Hyundai's response to me. You might find it interesting and eye brow raising.
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My friend just bought a genesis V8 tech pkg two days ago. Its ALREADY in the shop for warranty work.
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This may be true in your neck o' the woods but my experience has been a little different. It seems that the dealer can't go to the restroom without asking permision from Hyundai Corporate.

I've had four problems fixed under warranty and each time there was a two day wait for review and approval from Hyundai for the fixes. When I tried to get them to replace the shocks (this was before the TSB was issued), they flat out refused and said that there was nothing wrong. A few weeks later, the TSB came out and I went back in armed with the TSB and they reluctantly did the job.

After a period of time, as you well know, the shocks wore out again. This time they refused to replace them again. I contacted Hyundai customer service and they got the local corporate " District Parts and Service manager" involved. I received a very cold, mater of fact letter basically stating that nothing is wrong with my shocks or suspension....period. See my post number #83 here for more detail on Hyundai's response to me. You might find it interesting and eye brow raising.


I must admit, I have been fortunate having a great Service Manager and Hyundai Mechanic at our local dealership.

Both of these guys worked hard to get my second set of shocks for my ex-Azera. Those were the ones that were supposed to be a vast improvement. They were still performing well when I got rid of the Azera but I understand, even those did not hold up after 5,000+ miles.

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Both of these guys worked hard to get my second set of shocks for my ex-Azera.
David <><


You say they "worked hard", what did they have to do to get Hyundai to replace them? It's great to have a good service dept. to work with, eh!
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You can add me to the list of Azera owners who can't understand why Hyundai never advertised the car.

But, I am one of the lucky ones who hasn't had any of the common problems (suspension noises, dashboard crack, etc). I have also been very fortunate to have found one of the good dealer service departments. Probably because I have had such a great experience with my Azera, I just bought a new Santa Fe to replace my 12-year old Outback with over 160,000 miles on the clock. When I was at the dealer showroom speaking to the salesman, I asked him if he agreed that the Azera was going to be discontinued, and he gave me a surprising answer.

He had just come back from one of those goofy team-building sessions that are all in style these days, and he said that he had been assured that the Azera would still be around for several years at least. But, he also said that he got some strong vibrations that the Vera Cruz wasn't going to be around for much longer.

I will admit that this doesn't sound logical, but that's what I heard from a pretty good source.
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QUOTE (david-paul-1 @ Jun 9 2009, 01:48 AM) *
First of all let me state that I am a true Hyundai fan. I owned an 07 Azera for over a year and currently own an 07 Santa Fe Limited.

A very close friend of mine is a General Manager for a successful Hyundai, Mitsubishi dealership in Tucson. It is his belief that Hyundai will be concentrating on the Sonata and Genesis models, as far as their family sedans are concerned. I certainly concur.

My 2007 Santa Fe Limited may be the best automobile I have ever owned, taking into consideration, build quality, fit and finish quality, engine performance per CC, and overall value considering the bells and whistles included.

I also believe that while hyundai may be cutting costs on each new model year, they will still contunue to produce some of the most quality for dollar vehicles in the world.

By the way, I bought my first new Hyundai in 1988. The last I heard, the Exel was still running with over 200,000 miles on the original engine with no rebuild.

I truly wish that the USA would build vehicles with the same quality, but with union and Obama involvement, it does not look good for us in the future, in many respects.

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The Korean unions are much worse than the US ones; go on strike frequently.
The Azera was advertised very heavily in 06 and 07; otherwise I would never have heard of it or bought one. However, Hyundai seems to have an ADD marketing approach. Let's introduce a new car this year, market it hard, get good press reviews on it - and then 3 years from now introduce another new car and ignore all the others except for the low and mid range money makers. When Equus comes here (and it will), they will abandon Genesis Sedan.

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QUOTE (Not yet an owner @ Jun 7 2009, 11:54 PM) *
I've read that Kia is getting an Amanti upgrade (the "VG") for 2010, to be released in August. For anyone who has any familiarity with the Amanti (rebadged XG350, which was the predecessor of the Azera), I'm sure you'll agree it is a much-needed improvement for Kia. What isn't clear is whether Hyundai will get their version of the VG platform to upgrade the Azera for 2010 or if the Azera will be discontinued to allow Hyundai to focus on marketing only one version of the VG platform for Kia and one version of the Genesis platform for Hyundai.

Any thoughts or rumors would be appreciated. If 2009 is in fact the last year for the Azera, do you think this will cause difficulty in the form of increased depreciation and harder-to-find parts for Azera owners or do you think it will be a net positive for Azera owners? Optimists may conclude that a discontinued Azera would result in even better value for buyers after August 2009 and possibly set up collector's-item status for 2006-9 Azera owners.

a General manager of a dealership in Florida told me that 2009 will be the last year for Azera....he was certain
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QUOTE (campoly @ Jun 8 2009, 10:05 AM) *
*I saw a Hyundai TV commercial that featured the entire Hyundai line up sans the Azera. Hmmmm....why would they show every Hyundai offering except the Azera? I dunno, just saying.

*A service manager at a Hyundai dealership told me that the Azera was going to be discontinued. This is a tuff one because it is sometimes hard to tell which ones (Hyundai service people) are giving you s#!t talk.



After dealing with Hyundai on the local level and the corporate level over the past two years, I'm betting on this one: "do you think this will cause difficulty in the form of increased depreciation and harder-to-find parts for Azera owners".


This would be in the catagory of "wishful thinking"
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I own a new Black Azera Limitited with 1100[size="7"][/size] miles. I can't remove bird dropping from it with the acid going through the clear coat and ru
iing the paint anyone with the same problem
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