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> I10 Clutch Shudders When Cold Or Damp, There is no fix
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post Nov 16 2009, 03:39 AM
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The judder with toyota is very intermittent and it affects cars when is cold and dump so it could be friction material (only "French" Yaris appears to be affected= valeo parts). In i10 clutch judder appears to be issues with transmission build/alignment which is much more difficult to sort out.

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post Nov 16 2009, 01:39 PM
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At last a little progress on the clutch judder front. After more phone calls from me, my dealer has contacted Hyundai Technical and they have confirmed that they are aware of clutch judder problems, and are working on a modified clutch. (As reported in other posts)
My dealer says my car has been logged with Hyundai Technical, and when they (the dealer) are told what to replace I will be contacted. Just hope it's not too long.
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QUOTE (Deebee @ Nov 16 2009, 06:39 PM) *
At last a little progress on the clutch judder front. After more phone calls from me, my dealer has contacted Hyundai Technical and they have confirmed that they are aware of clutch judder problems, and are working on a modified clutch. (As reported in other posts)
My dealer says my car has been logged with Hyundai Technical, and when they (the dealer) are told what to replace I will be contacted. Just hope it's not too long.


I really hope this isn't some rubbish Hyundai are comming up with or some dodgy fix to save them the expense of replacing the clutches, gearboxes and linkages on i10s as this seems to be the only fix currently. Much as I doubt this modified clutch will work if/when it comes we will have to see but I do encourage people to try and get dealers and Hyundai to replace the gearbox, clutch and linkages as this is an available fix now (as long as the dealer does the job well and makes sure everything is perfectly in line as this could cause the problem to return), it is just Hyundai who I expect do not wish the expence of doing this kind of expensive work on so many i10s
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post Nov 16 2009, 07:04 PM
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QUOTE (Deebee @ Nov 16 2009, 01:39 PM) *
At last a little progress on the clutch judder front. After more phone calls from me, my dealer has contacted Hyundai Technical and they have confirmed that they are aware of clutch judder problems, and are working on a modified clutch. (As reported in other posts)
My dealer says my car has been logged with Hyundai Technical, and when they (the dealer) are told what to replace I will be contacted. Just hope it's not too long.



I am not sure what I should do as Mine is so minimal and would probably end up not doing it if I was to show the dealer and let them drive it... I am not really to bothered about it after having it for a week and a half.. but if they are creating a new clutch then it don't sound good... its odd, as it only does it sometimes and only when I'm just pinching at the first gear or reverse...

does yours really happen allot and to what extrema?

I wonder if some of the cars allready have the new clutch and they might have tried to shift a few of the old ones out..







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post Nov 16 2009, 07:09 PM
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QUOTE (scm @ Nov 16 2009, 03:39 AM) *
The judder with toyota is very intermittent and it affects cars when is cold and dump so it could be friction material (only "French" Yaris appears to be affected= valeo parts). In i10 clutch judder appears to be issues with transmission build/alignment which is much more difficult to sort out.


mine only does it slightly when it is cold and not warmed up... maybe the i10 suffers from both accounts which is why there are so many differing scenario's

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post Nov 17 2009, 10:09 AM
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It looks like things are starting to move on the judder front. I had a call from my dealer yesterday who said that a team of Korean engineers where on their way with a fix. Another call this morning, would I agree to have my car transported to High Wycombe on Thursday for the engineers to work on. In other words be a judder “guinea pig”.

I agreed:

a. To get the problem sorted, hopefully.
b. Have top engineers working on it.
c. Might be to the benefit of other judders.
d. This is a bit sad; but I find it interesting.

I get a hire car for the duration (they recon about a week), and although its not been mentioned yet a free service or two for my “cooperation” would seem reasonable. I get the impression several i10’s will be making their way down south for the same treatment. Let’s see if anyone else pops up on the forum with a similar story.

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post Nov 17 2009, 10:25 AM
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QUOTE (Badly Drawn Roy @ Nov 17 2009, 03:09 PM) *
It looks like things are starting to move on the judder front. I had a call from my dealer yesterday who said that a team of Korean engineers where on their way with a fix. Another call this morning, would I agree to have my car transported to High Wycombe on Thursday for the engineers to work on. In other words be a judder “guinea pig”.

Hopefully, come Friday - Well Drawn Roy....
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post Nov 17 2009, 02:00 PM
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QUOTE (Badly Drawn Roy @ Nov 17 2009, 11:09 AM) *
It looks like things are starting to move on the judder front. I had a call from my dealer yesterday who said that a team of Korean engineers where on their way with a fix. Another call this morning, would I agree to have my car transported to High Wycombe on Thursday for the engineers to work on. In other words be a judder “guinea pig”.

I agreed:

a. To get the problem sorted, hopefully.
b. Have top engineers working on it.
c. Might be to the benefit of other judders.
d. This is a bit sad; but I find it interesting.

I get a hire car for the duration (they recon about a week), and although its not been mentioned yet a free service or two for my “cooperation” would seem reasonable. I get the impression several i10’s will be making their way down south for the same treatment. Let’s see if anyone else pops up on the forum with a similar story.

BDR

Hi BDR, they offered me the same thing...to take my car away to Tilbury docks so some Korean "experts" can mess about with it. I said no way, I have had enough...as per my Trading Standards case. They are supposed to be ringing me back tomorrow with details of a refund or replacement...either one will still cause much inconvenience. I will let you know as they dont usually manage to phone me as they say my phone cuts out when they do....(funny how it works if I call them!). One good thing is that i10s are in demand, now being unavailable on the scrappage scheme it seems, and with a 4-6 month waiting list...but that's small consolation to me.
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post Nov 17 2009, 02:37 PM
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Mobile,

My clutch judders mostly when cold, moving off in first or reverse. It is not really severe, but can be felt through the clutch pedal. Having said that it can sometimes catch me out and really snatch causing the engine to stall. When it has warmed up after a few miles it is much better, so if I drive to my dealers (15 miles, it is fine when they try it) It judders when I try and use a few or a lot of revs. I find the throttle very sensitive, you can end up using more revs than you intended and doing a boy racer start. I think that the clutch just does not feel right. The car is great driving along till you have to stop and move off.........will it judder or not?
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QUOTE (Deebee @ Nov 17 2009, 02:37 PM) *
Mobile,

My clutch judders mostly when cold, moving off in first or reverse. It is not really severe, but can be felt through the clutch pedal. Having said that it can sometimes catch me out and really snatch causing the engine to stall. When it has warmed up after a few miles it is much better, so if I drive to my dealers (15 miles, it is fine when they try it) It judders when I try and use a few or a lot of revs. I find the throttle very sensitive, you can end up using more revs than you intended and doing a boy racer start. I think that the clutch just does not feel right. The car is great driving along till you have to stop and move off.........will it judder or not?


Thanks.

Ok well It sounds like the judder I get is just like yours.. I have kind of got used to driving it and just being sensitive as you pinch first gear.... I like the idea of them being able to fix the problem as opposed to replace it, as there is more chance of the dealer getting it sorted even if during a service or something.. Personally It does not bother me enough for me to worry but if it gets any worse I will certainly take it in.... or if it turns out the issue is known to get worse then Again it is worth doing.

Although I have a feeling the first gear will allays be a bit sensitive with this car as its just how it is I think.

I would also not be surprised if there are two problems here as some seem to have the issue you and I have, but others seem to have it even worse and constant... so maybe two issues are going on at the same time here, hence the confusion and fuss...



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post Nov 18 2009, 07:14 AM
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That’s the problem with the judders, some cars are worst than others, some drivers handle it better than others, it’s even affected by the weather! I have the Martini version, any time, any place, any where. A good thing in a way because when the man from Hyundai tested it the judder was present and undeniable. I suspect that this, plus my background in MV tech. prompted the offer of having it looked at by the Korean engineers.

That by the way is definitely on, confirmed this morning by dealer and HMUK.

BDR
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post Nov 18 2009, 12:36 PM
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Hi All,
Out of curiosity, are there any i10 owners out there who do not suffer from clutch judder to some degree, and have no idea what we are talking about, please let me know, as every i10 owner I have queried recognise this problem although some didn't consider it a major problem for some reason.
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post Nov 18 2009, 12:43 PM
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Picked up my i10 today. It had 10 miles on the clock, clutch bedded in for me maybe?

Only done 20 miles in it but no sign of any clutch judder. I've had a habit of stalling petrol cars a lot in the past because I have had so many diesel cars, but no problems.

I'll be on here as swift as a swift thing if I do though!
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I've only had clutch judder a couple of times, both times I hadn't used the car the day before (probably the only two days I haven't used it), both times were cold and wet mornings.
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Nope never had it. Ordered car 18th May, collected it in July. Classic model.
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QUOTE (Jezza6406 @ Nov 18 2009, 05:36 PM) *
Hi All,
Out of curiosity, are there any i10 owners out there who do not suffer from clutch judder to some degree, and have no idea what we are talking about, please let me know, as every i10 owner I have queried recognise this problem although some didn't consider it a major problem for some reason.


Over 14000 miles and no judder (touch wood :-) ) I got the car in April with 2700 on the clock, and it's been used every single day since, averaging about 70 miles a day. I would say the clutch is a bit harsh compared to some cars I've driven, but not worse than my wife's Yaris.



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Car ordered in May and collected in July- no Judder.
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QUOTE (scm @ Nov 16 2009, 04:39 AM) *
The judder with toyota is very intermittent and it affects cars when is cold and dump so it could be friction material (only "French" Yaris appears to be affected= valeo parts). In i10 clutch judder appears to be issues with transmission build/alignment which is much more difficult to sort out.

My clutch judder is worse in warm weather, dampness is not a factor...so it seems something to do with expansion/contraction ?
Anyway, I chased customer services up after 12 days without hearing back from them since my letter of rejection. They still tried to fob me off "There may be a fix shortly etc" Then they agreed a refund but said they wanted to keep me in the brand so would an upgrade be acceptable? I said I wouldnt want an i20 as to me it seems less attractive than the i10 as far as mpg, performance, tax, emissions etc but I would consider an i30. So they said they would call me back. Well it was just another day wasted because they said the next day that was not an option...only another i10 and it sounded as if I would have to join the waiting list for that. I said no thanks, I wouldn't want another i10, so they said they would give me a refund.
Another day later they phoned to say they were waiting on a call back from my dealer, though why I do not know. That didnt happen. The next day they rang to say they were sending a letter for me to read, sign and send back and then after that they would refund, but that this would take a further 14 days !!! This would take it well past a month since my letter was received and there is just no excuse except they would rather hang on to as much money for as long as possible despite their reputation being damaged.
They are raking in the cash due to the scrappage boom which it seems they were not prepared for. I await yet more drama when I see the letter or promised email they are sending me as far as small print. This is no way to run a company Hyundai.
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Mine started showing pretty horrendous clutch judder when cold and damp at about 350 miles.

Took it into my dealer this morning, and they took my details, and adjusted the clutch, saying that they have had a few people go in with similar problems, and this fixed some, but not all of them.

I was then told that Hyundai are working on a fix for this problem - there already is one for the 1.1 engine apparantly, but they have not sorted it on the 1.2

I was also told that I would be contacted when they have a fix to see if it is needed on mine.
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QUOTE (sepulchasm @ Nov 20 2009, 09:05 AM) *
I was then told that Hyundai are working on a fix for this problem - there already is one for the 1.1 engine apparantly, but they have not sorted it on the 1.2

I was also told that I would be contacted when they have a fix to see if it is needed on mine.


That is news, I have a 1.1 and I am still waiting for the long awaited fix.
I am also told that I will be contacted.

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