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> Genesis Coupe Performance Times, 0-62 in 6.3 or 8.3?? what do you prefer?
Valk
post Oct 15 2008, 04:51 PM
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Here is the Link to Autoblog. They posted the 0-62mph (0-100km/h) times for both the turbo and the V6 hopfully they do get the 2.0t down to 7.5sec which would be a better starting point to tune it.

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/10/15/hyundai...rmance-numbers/

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post Oct 16 2008, 05:37 PM
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QUOTE(Valk @ Oct 15 2008, 04:51 PM)
Here is the Link to Autoblog.  They posted the 0-62mph (0-100km/h) times for both the turbo and the V6 hopfully they do get the 2.0t down to 7.5sec which would be a better starting point to tune it.

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/10/15/hyundai...rmance-numbers/

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7.5 sec for the 223 HP Turbo version is slooooooow! A V6 Sonata does it in 6.6-6.8 on average! And when you think about it a 6.3 sec for the V6 is slow aswell considering thats the time Azera owners usually get.
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post Oct 16 2008, 06:41 PM
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Ouch...

What's the point of all the power if it doesn't make the car move? We shouldn't be beating a 290hp V6 Genesis coupe in our 265hp Azera sedan... maybe Hyundai lubricated the wheel bearings with molasses?
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post Oct 17 2008, 10:49 PM
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yah apparantly CAR magazine did a 0-60 in 5.9 in the V6 so maybe they are just underrating it or their testers suck?? plus if you spend 3000 on the turbo she could be producing some mean power. I am still interested in the new subaru/toyota smal rwd venture as well as Nissan who is also planning a smaller 280z? perhaps based off the new 370z platform. It will be a new age battle of JDM and KDM rwd imports. Sweeet... :grin:
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post Oct 18 2008, 02:36 PM
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QUOTE(Valk @ Oct 17 2008, 10:49 PM)
yah apparantly CAR magazine did a 0-60 in 5.9 in the V6 so maybe they are just underrating it or their testers suck?? plus if you spend 3000 on the turbo she could be producing some mean power.  I am still interested in the new subaru/toyota smal rwd venture as well as Nissan who is also planning a smaller 280z? perhaps based off the new 370z platform.  It will be a new age battle of JDM and KDM rwd imports.  Sweeet...  :grin:
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5.9 sec for a coupe with close to 300 HP and RWD is not a good thing. To compete with other cars in its RWD class it should be doing mid 5 seconds. This is going to be a good battle KDM and JDM! Hyundai is also planning on releasing the Veloster as a FWD Tiburon replacement and KIA is getting the Koup out. This is going to be good :clap:
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post Oct 18 2008, 02:39 PM
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QUOTE(andyman32 @ Oct 16 2008, 06:41 PM)
Ouch...

What's the point of all the power if it doesn't make the car move? We shouldn't be beating a 290hp V6 Genesis coupe in our 265hp Azera sedan... maybe Hyundai lubricated the wheel bearings with molasses?
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ya thats the thing I dont understand, the Azera is 3600 lbs, 265 HP, FWD and uses the 5 Speed SHIFTRONIC transmission and gets 6.3 sec. And the Gen coupe has 290 HP, 3500 lbs, RWD!!, and uses the new ZF 6 speed yet it still gets the same time???? Hopefully they will retune before making it come to Middle east and North America because this is dissapointing
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post Oct 18 2008, 04:15 PM
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yah but you know **** sure that companies will actually make aftermarket parts for this car unlike the sonata and azera which have practically none. So pop on a new exhaust, CAI, and some new tires and it should drop the time a significant amount. The aftermarket will love this car!!
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post Oct 18 2008, 06:03 PM
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Still, it's probably not cool to rely on the aftermarket to provide the kind of high-performance engineering that the manufacturer is supposed to be leading. All new from the ground up... rear-wheel drive... and comparatively slow? Both Genesis Coupe and Sedan are disappointingly slow for their power-weight ratio and 6-speed transmission. But oh well. I'm not sure what performance numbers are like on cars like 350z, WRX, or Lancer Evolution.
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I'm not impressed at all. The new Camaro which is cheaper than the Genesis is clocking in around 6.1
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post Oct 19 2008, 01:07 PM
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QUOTE(andyman32 @ Oct 18 2008, 06:03 PM)
Still, it's probably not cool to rely on the aftermarket to provide the kind of high-performance engineering that the manufacturer is supposed to be leading. All new from the ground up... rear-wheel drive... and comparatively slow? Both Genesis Coupe and Sedan are disappointingly slow for their power-weight ratio and 6-speed transmission. But oh well. I'm not sure what performance numbers are like on cars like 350z, WRX, or Lancer Evolution.
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The Genesis Sedan is pretty fast doing 0-60 in 5.5 sec (Car and driver) but your right doesnt seem like 375 HP. Im really not sure if reviewers are testing with regular or premium fuel :S
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I'd have to say the testers suck. The car should be pulling faster the the V6 Genesis Sedan, maybe the same or a bit slower than the V8. If it's slower somethign is seriously wrong.
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post Oct 22 2008, 10:35 AM
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You guys have to remember that the difference between a 6.1 or a 5.5 sec run from 0-60 is also dependent on the shifting effectiveness of the transmission, between the 1,2, & 3rd gears. The G35 can get a 5.2 from 0-60. Now the Azera is a fantastic car in that it does not behave like a FWD on launch. If one would improve the shifting effectiveness of the transmission as well as some other things, the Azera would get the 5.6 sec run like the V8 Genesis. I am not too impressed with the Genesis cars. I also have to admit that the V6 Genesis Coupe does seem a bit slow, and even if the car's engine was broken in, it would only improve by 0.1 - 0.2 sec. at best. Oh by the way, the Azera has been shown to run 0-60 in 6.1 sec by Car and Driver. So with some basic improvements, it could even get a 5.8-5.9 sec run (especially in Shiftronic mode).
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post Oct 23 2008, 05:11 PM
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QUOTE(petergun @ Oct 22 2008, 10:35 AM)
You guys have to remember that the difference between a 6.1 or a 5.5 sec run from 0-60 is also dependent on the shifting effectiveness of the transmission, between the 1,2, & 3rd gears. The G35 can get a 5.2 from 0-60. Now the Azera is a fantastic car in that it does not behave like a FWD on launch. If one would improve the shifting effectiveness of the transmission as well as some other things, the Azera would get the 5.6 sec run like the V8 Genesis. I am not too impressed with the Genesis cars. I also have to admit that the V6 Genesis Coupe does seem a bit slow, and even if the car's engine was broken in, it would only improve by 0.1 - 0.2 sec. at best. Oh by the way, the Azera has been shown to run 0-60 in 6.1 sec by Car and Driver. So with some basic improvements, it could even get a 5.8-5.9 sec run (especially in Shiftronic mode).
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That is true, but one thing that is weird is that they got 6.1 sec from the Azera by using 265 HP, and the older 5 Speed Shiftronic. I thought now for the 375 HP Genesis they are using the state of the art ZF-6 Speed unit.

But one thing I found out is that it actually takes 3 gears for the Genesis Coupe to get to 60 mph. Its not possible to do 60 mph in 2nd gear as it is just too short. This might have high end performance but its surely going to hurt it in magazines.
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post Oct 24 2008, 07:17 AM
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QUOTE(hugamuto @ Oct 23 2008, 06:11 PM)
That is true, but one thing that is weird is that they got 6.1 sec from the Azera by using 265 HP, and the older 5 Speed Shiftronic. I thought now for the 375 HP Genesis they are using the state of the art ZF-6 Speed unit.

But one thing I found out is that it actually takes 3 gears for the Genesis Coupe to get to 60 mph. Its not possible to do 60 mph in 2nd gear as it is just too short. This might have high end performance but its surely going to hurt it in magazines.
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The Genesis transmission is geared towards less aggressive acceleration, not the Corvette type acceleration. The G35 can get the 0-60 in 5.2 sec due partly to the extreme smoothness of the transmission, the gears basically glide from one to the other. On top of that, the car uses premium fuel so the compression ratio is increased, and the air intake and the exhaust are more tuned to deliver more air and less back pressure. Good traction tires and tuned suspension finish the rest of the puzzle. It is true, the Azera has "only" 265 hp but the torque is pretty high. Besides, the 265 hp is a very, very conservative number as it has been shown that on a dyno, a stock Azera was getting approx. 237 hp which even if you account for only 15% drivetrain loss, comes out to roughly 275-280 hp at the crank. The Genesis coupe (V6) would have to be geared more towards aggressive driving, with the gears very similar to that of the G35 and Lexus IS350. Surprisingly, the Azera can get to 60 mph in 2nd gear (roughly 5500 rpm at 60 mph).
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post Oct 25 2008, 02:19 PM
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Yes I guess you are right but still if we look at the sedan its a V8 with 375 HP. And this runs a 5.5 sec 0-100 and 1/4 mile is around 13.8 @ 104 mph :S For 375 HP I think this should be a bit faster. Maybe it will give better results once it gets broken in or something.

BTW does anyone know the shift points for the sedan? And also what is the top speed of these cars? Are they governed or not?
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post Oct 25 2008, 10:13 PM
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QUOTE(hugamuto @ Oct 25 2008, 03:19 PM)
Yes I guess you are right but still if we look at the sedan its a V8 with 375 HP. And this runs a 5.5 sec 0-100 and 1/4 mile is around 13.8 @ 104 mph :S For 375 HP I think this should be a bit faster. Maybe it will give better results once it gets broken in or something.

BTW does anyone know the shift points for the sedan? And also what is the top speed of these cars? Are they governed or not?
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The Genesis sedan was designed and geared towards comfort and reliability. I believe that the engineers fine tuned the transmission and the shift points to occur much sooner than at the redline. Quarter mile in 13.8 is not bad. A late Pontiac GTO does the quarter mile in 13.3 so there is only a 0.5 second lag there. Of course the GTO can do 0-60 in 4.8 seconds which again is how the transmission is geared, the extra 25 hp, and the tuned suspension. Even with the engine broken in, the car would only get 5.3 - 5.4 in the 0-60 race. It's not a huge difference. Using synthetic oil and better air filtration also helps. The Genesis engine (V8) can be definitely more tuned to get more air into the engine and the exhaust could be tuned for less back pressure. In regards to your question about top speed for the car, I believe that the electronic cutoff is at 130 mph.
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