You traded in your Genesis w/ 1900 miles? Was it you who had said you had suspension issues? That's a quick bail - you're lucky you got away only $5k down - but even then, you only put 2 months' mileage on it. That's 2 pretty expensive months. You must have gotten real jumpy about something.

Yes, the ride quality in mine was absolutely abysmal on the roads I encounter on a daily basis. I've emailed with several others who either have traded or will be trading/selling theirs as well. One guy I talked to lost $9,000 but felt it was worth it. If you can tolerate the ride there will be some good deals or slightly used Genesis out there.

Sure - the Ford dealer gave me 27k for my trade (3.8 with Premium Plus - 1900 miles on odometer). That was good since most dealers were only willing to give me 26k. I ended up buying a used Mercury Milan of all things.

I originally paid $32,240 for my Genesis.

That's why on all the consumer report websites and reviews, you always see major upgrades in the next model. I am a big fan of people that go out and buy the first model, The money they spend and beta testing they do, help to improve the next model and the model after that.

Still never understand the I have to have this before everyone else mentality. www.fool.com

I hope people buy the next two models too because I should have the Sonata paid off by then and will be looking to buy a used one of these. I agree with the suspension in these things. After renting a Infinity G35 and then test driving the gensis a few weeks later, there is a big difference. However, I had a wrangler for 5 years so...

Well thanks for calling me a fool. Basically reduce it to blame the buyer. Though some bought without even a test drive the fault is with Hyundai not the buyers. Actually, I bought it earlier than I intended (but after extensive research) because my Santa Fe basically died and required too expensive a repair. That bumped up my purchase date quite a bit. The demo I test drove extensively in my research was a tad rougher than most cars on bad pavement but, was basically fine otherwise. Clearly, there is variation between vehicles. I did take a leap of faith on a first model year - but, given the amount of money, design, development, etc. Hyundai spent on this vehicle and the importance of this car to them - I assumed they would have all their ducks in a row. Clearly that was a wrong assumption! Won't make that mistake again. Even said - they still have issues with suspensions on '09 Sonata and Azera suspensions - so model cycle is no guarantee of anything.

You are absolutely right. The Azera suspension is a joke. I love the acceleration of the car but the suspension is definitely not for American roads. Maybe in Korea they have much smoother roads than in the United States and did not do any homework. That's what it seems like at least. Don't buy Hyundai anymore.

I wasn't calling you a fool. The website Fool.com is a great tool, mainly for finance but they do have a few car buying articles.

I know what you mean by having your purchase date bumped up, I didn't expect my wrangler to start having the amount of issues it did before I decided to buy another car. I test drove the New 09 Sonata limted and found the Suspension was worse than that of the 07 I bought. The Gensis was supposed to be an amazing car for Hyunda (your right), but I have seen this problem occure with too many of my friends. Most of them when they ran to the dealership to get the RX8, a year after the purchase they are driving Elantras or Escourts because they took such a large loss on the resale and ended up underwater on their loan.

Perhaps I am missing it but how I have yet to see anyone question why the front dash of the genesis looks like it was stolen out of the Azera.

There are more than a few design cues and minor elements taken from the Azera. Many buttons & fasteners are the same parts as the Azera. Compare the trunk lids. The revolution is under the hood.

Understood YJbeach - I think I took it the wrong way. Sorry.

I haven't examined the Azera up close - but, it' possible some of the switches, buttons, etc. are the same as on the Genesis and perhaps the Sonata for that matter. I think the genesis dash/interior looks different than Azera and more upscale in my eyes. I lov the interior of the Genesis. The Azera is nice as well. I considered it as a trade for my Genny, but still had concerns about the suspension so went a different route.

Oh, it is absolutely more upscale. The general layout is bigger, more refined, more 'intentional'. They got rid of the 'accidental' design elements in the Azera, random buttons that don't look like they belong there. There's actually softer vinyl and MUCH softer leather in the Genesis. I was surprised how soft the leather was when I test drove a 4.6 last year. They bothered to make their faux wood look something like real wood - not at all the case in the Azera. And of course the stereo in the Genesis puts a pasting on the Azera's, even the Infinity surround system. There's no doubt the Genesis is a much nicer, much more refined & upscale car (I mean, literally, point-by-point)...

It's just interesting to me to hear of suspension issues, they put a totally different, totally new suspension in the Genesis. It has independent 5-link suspension both front & rear, and uses Sachs gas shocks - which is a very good, very respected manufacturer. The Azera does use 5-link design in the rear, but most/all Azera owners agree that the rear of the car behaves the way it ought to, that there is no noise or instability in the rear. Some of the suspicion as to the suspension "issues" is credited to an awkwardly implemented double-wishbone layout in the front. It's just curious that they'd have gone to all the trouble to re-design the suspension altogether, and spring for up-scale shock absorbers, only to end up with the exact same problem.

The 4.6 I drove was spectacular, dead quiet over nasty broken pavement downtown (and I had the opportunity to drive it over the exact same roads I drove my Azera over every day to get to where I worked at the time), tracked straight down the road even over bumps and potholes, absorbed bumps MUCH better than the Azera, was more firm and confident in steering... I was actually surprised at the dramatic improvement in ride and handling, and I'm not even in any way disappointed with my Azeras. The Genesis was much closer to a BMW 5-series E39 type of ride than any other car I've owned.

Of course... I only drove it for 15 miles or so. Some folks on the Azera forum see rapid degradation in the Azera's ride & handling qualities, within a few K miles. Maybe this is also true for Genesis.

v-6 tech pack - 39,500 out the door. Is that good number? I bought it few days back.

they ALL do this. MKS has old Taurus buttons, switches, etc. Lexus uses Camry & Avalon components and Acura uses Accord parts inside and out. That's how they keep costs down. The question is what does the more expensive car offer to make it worth the extra costs.

April Consumers Reports rated the "corporations." Hyundai was about mid-pack, but the negatives were for low re-sale, fuel economy and suspensions. This was after they rated Genesis number one in its class.
Ironically, the Infiniti M35 is the world's most perfect car when CR talks about it, but it gets same MPG as an Azera and with Premium gas whereas they downgrade Azera because of fuel economy. LS 460 has highest score, but costs too much.

'Out the door' is hard to pull apart because dealers may have different doc fees, and states have different title, registration, license plate fees and highway taxes. If that was the sale price of the car, BEFORE you add tax, tags, title, and doc fees, then no, it's not a good price, it's only $500 below MSRP and probably at least $3k above dealer invoice.

ah! Didn't know all that. the sale price was 37K, 6% tax and ~$600 for all the other stuff. So you are suggesting that invoice price is around $36800 for tech package? I think I got decent deal.

The dealer said that they are selling about 20 a month across 5 locations they have. He also said that about 800-900 are being sold nationwide each month, which is a number very different from what others are discussing here but I have nothing to back it up other then dealer's word.

Also he said that it will be Nov/Dec before we start hearing and seeing 2010 model.

I paid cash 35,000 for prem + pkg. Alabama..

According to someone at Hyundai America HQ, 2010 is due 4th quarter IF they get rid of the 2009's.
I don't think the Genesis Sedan is selling as well as some say it is. There was probably a rush by some to get it "first," but now that has been satisfied. Also, while there are some very good reports and ratings, there are some negative ones out there also.
If you look on Auto Trader or Cars.com, there seem to be lots of them out there. Also, some dealers do not advertise on either of these, so there really are more.

As typical, based on nothing but your "feeling."

The Genesis sedan has been selling at a 1,500-1,600 monthly clip this year, which is very close to the Hyundai's annual projection of 20k/yr (which was done prior to the economic downturn).



Care to link the overly negative reviews (done by an auto publication) of the Genesis sedan?

I doubt you'll be able to find them, much less one or two.

The Genesis sedan has been selling at a 1,500-1,600 monthly clip this year, which is very close to the Hyundai's annual projection of 20k/yr (which was done prior to the economic downturn).
Your "feeling" is that this is good, but when you see how many are still out there, maybe not so good. Perhaps Hyundai gave low expectations to start with. Easier to say "look how great we did" rather than saying "oops, didn't sell as many as we thought we would." All a matter of opinion anyway.
Also, this is first year and there are no used Genesis' out there to take away sales, as affects all the competitors. Hard to find current data, but appears sales are tapering off. What will the Equus do to Genesis sedan sales?
Another factor is that most reports appear to include both sedan and coupe sales figures and they are really two very different cars.

Care to link the overly negative reviews (done by an auto publication) of the Genesis sedan?
Don't have the links, but Consumer Reports, 02/09, Motor Trend, July 2009, Road & Track May 2009(Test Notes:Handling), AutomobileMag, May 2009, AutomobileMag, March 2009 (Kitman column), USA Today, James R. Healey, Nov. 08 report, Car & Driver, Oct. 2008, AutomobileMag, Oct 2008, Edmunds.com Inside Line, 04/09, Mike Hanley, Cars.com, 07/08, ConsumersGuide.com test review of Genesis.

I doubt you'll be able to find them, much less one or two. WRONG!!!!

Also, why did Hyundai revise the suspension in March 2009 and again for the 2010 model and this is from a Hyundai official and their websites, as well as Motor Trend new car issue.
BTW, do you even own a Hyundai of any kind?

This post has been edited by Gator65: Aug 24 2009, 07:38 AM

I really like the Genesis Sedan and am a current owner of an 06 Sonata LX with 50K miles.

What I am waiting on is to see the KBB pricing on a 09 Genesis in January 2010. I want to see how much the market is depreciating these cars. Why because my 3 year old car I'm being told and have been offered during potential trade-ins was approximately 6K. This is the wholesale value. I was offered this by Keyes Auto in LA and CarMax in Burbank, CA. I said **** no KBB is showing 9K (at the time) Less now!.

Regardless, my LX had an MSRP of 23.9K in 2006 and it is now a little over 3 years old. That means from MSRP to current value in trade in I have lost 18K or 75% value. In reality I have lost 14K but that still represents 70% loss from purchase price. That's huge compared to Hyundai competitors such as Honda or Toyota.

Everybody quotes the KBB retail sales as what is a cars current value but I would suspect that a majority of people trade in their cars to a dealer versus the hassle of a private sale.

If Genesis tracks in the same manner as my Sonata I not purchase the Genesis until they can get to the Toyota/Honda level of resale value or I'm just throwing money down the tubes regardless how nice the car is.

A good sales gimmick along with the Gas promotion is a guarantee trade-in value based on Year/Mileage/Condition if you buy a new Hyundai.

Example, my 06 Sonata I would say is in GOOD condition as very few 3 year old cars can be called Excellent. KBB shows my car at GOOD at $7875 whereas wholesale is about 4K which is probably what Keyes or Car Max would try to offer now. If Hyundai Manufacturer (NOT DEALER) guaranteed the $7875 I would would be inclined to buy the Genesis (naturally at a good price not MSRP)

Anyways, bottom line I hope Genesis resale values hold-up or they will not see the volume they require.