Last week my trajet gave up the ghost whilst my wife was driving, died right in the centre lane of a busy roundabout, stirling corner on the A1. Out of pure chance there was a police car nearby who managed to control the traffic whilst an AA truck who also happened to be close towed her to the side of the road.

I was at work when this happend and my wife called me to call the road assistance who arrived about an hour later and towed her to a local garage who we have used before for MOT and services. The trajet is a 2001 GSi 2.0 with about 95k on the clock. It did have full service history, so i think. I happend apon this forum and saw some other posts regarding cambelts slipages and the like and started to get worried. Today i get a call saying its going to cost me about £979.00 and we have replaced the belt, belt sensor, idlers, waterpump and tensioners. We are now going to try and start it, i will call you back in 15minutes, half an hour later still nothing. Somehow i think if they say the cambelt slipped, wont all the valves be shot? and there wont be a way in **** to start it again?

Let me know your thoughts guys.

welcome to the forums :00000732:

your right, if the cam. belt broke or jumped teeth then it would have almost certainly bent some or all of the valves. your garage should have been aware of this upon a initial diagnosis and should have informed you of the situation and possible cost before they started to replace anything. to go ahead and replace all the parts that they have done and then 'hope for the best' is way out of order. keep us posted

Well, so far they have replaced the faulty crank sensor put it all back together including a new waterpump and it wont start, when they plug in the laptop its still giving them the faulty sensor error code. He now wants the extra imobilizer fob or other key, which i dont have when i bought the car only came with one key, i only found out recently it has to have 2 keys or something like that to reset the imobilizer. He says its possible the imobilizer isnt reset so it will call up the crank error code....anyone got any ideas? please help.

you should have got a purple coloured key with the car, this is the 'master' key...however what is the fault code the scanner is throwing up?

i only got one key when i purchased the trajet. He didnt say just said he was getting an error code that indicated the crank sensor was not functioning, this is after they replaced it. What do i do now to reset the imobilizer? is it possible to bypass this?

soulice, you will have to wait a while for a reply until one of our u.k. hyundai techs. can answer your post in more detail. watch this space until one of them gets on line

Ok-They have replaced the crank sensor. If he can read the engine codes then the immobiliser should be okay. Can your garage read the immobiliser codes?.I ask this because the immobilser will not read any engine ecu codes. The way the immobiliser works is if the key is correct it says (electrically)you may start the engine signal to the Engine ECU. It will show key faults in its computer read live data section but then the ECU will pick up the faults too.. If the immob is no good it will not allow the engine ecu codes to be read. If it is not reading a key then it will not allow the engine to start but will allow ECU fault codes to be read. If you turn the ignition on you can hear the immobilser click.

Please get them to supply me all the fault codes with their relevant numbers and I can take this further. Also please can you ask them if the injectors are pulsing(noid light) and the plugs are sparking(they will fire once then stop if there is a problem) and that compression is okay

Hi Hyundaiownersclub

I am going to the garage saturday morning and ask them for the codes and exactly what they have done so far. i still dont know why they replaced the water pump? anyways they also said that they had a water leak? not sure if they were just stalling for time or something whilst trying to get the car to start. Would they be able to turn the engine if the immob wasnt reading the key would the engine still crank or would you just hear a click?

This is a long shot, but if the key was bent would it effect the immobiliser? i ask because a few days ago the key was badly bent and i straightend it as best i could but it was still quite bent but could fit in the ignition, the car did start and drive but could the key not make proper contact in the barrel and cause this?


I will post again sat midday.

Hi

Just got back from the garage, so far what he has done

replaced the cam belt
replaced the idlers and tensioners
replaced the crank sensor
replaced the water pump

the reason for replacing all the other bits was it would be wise doing it now as its a **** of a job removing all the stuff to get to the crank sensor, so while you in the vacinity might as well do the rest.

He connected up the scanner and it shows this error:

P0335 - crank sensor CKP circuit malfunction.

He cleared it and then ran it again and came up with the same error.

He has tested spark and injectors and compression and all is ok. The car turns over but wont start. He recons its something to do with the imob. His auto electrician is on holiday at the moment and will be back on tuesday.

Hyundaiownersclub, i hope you dont mind, I did mention i knew an ex tech who worked on hyndais and he asked for all this info, he said well im stumped so if he has any ideas please ask him to give me a call :P

He did mention to me that its possible the cam sensor also went as these might be on the same line?

Anyway i guess i will have to wait till tuesday to see what his electrician says...

Ok. He now has to see if a pulse is being supplied to the ecu from the sensor. This will be at the ecu under the left hand part of the centre console.

12volts to pin 3 at the underbonnet connector-if not check EGR15amp fuse(26)
Pin 1 of connector should be earth and 2 is the signal wire

At the ecu check pin 19 on the right hand connector(22pin connector) in the ecu as you look from the passenger side. It should be white in colour

Earth to the sensor is behind the engine on the bulkhead directly above the throttle housing. It also earths the cam sensor,knock,vss,ignition coils.
If he is getting a pulse from the sensor at the ecu I suspect a ECU fault or more likely-his machine is recording that fault whilst turning it over which non Hyundai diagnosis machines might do. Vauxhalls do this.

If he has sparking all the time while cranking / injection pulsing all the time while cranking/ and good fuel pressure(pump must be working or heard to be ) and good compression then it should start. I suggest he goes over these things again - thats my first advice aswell as checking the crank pulse

Get him to replace the spark plus aswell as the engine might be borewashed

Hi

Ok finally got the car back, its now working £979.00 later. The problem, the way they explained it was the wire that goes to the crank sensor was shot, thats why the computer was picking up an error on the sensor even after they replaced it, i guess open circuit. what makes me wonder was replacing the crank sensor even necessary?

If you need anymore stuff just give me a shout.

Well 6 weeks and a grand later, im back to the same position i was originally in.

Tuesday night the wife got stuck near the A1, car lost power and wont start, no spark engine just turns over but wont take. Breakdown picks the car up and brings it home. next day they tow the car to the garage who replaced the cam sensor. Theyre stumped. They Replace the sensor again and car starts again. They put it down to a faulty sensor and i pick the car up. I drive to tesco on the way home to pick up some milk and when i try to start the car to leave, behold the car wont start, no spark. wait 3 hours for recovery, finally get home at 12.15 in the morning. Call the garage again they say send over the car again. They have a look and say, seems like the sensor has gone again. They say something is causing the sensor to break, but they dont know what, saying it could be something to do with the ecu.

They now dont want to touch the car and want to palm it off to the hyndai dealers, who will happily look at it for loads of money which i dont have.

im really a wits end now, the garage want me to get the car off their property asap.

Where are you in the country

i live in welwyn garden city, but the car is currently at goodmans auto in borehamwood.

Do you want to get it to CM9

i dont know what to do at the moment. Im thinking of calling it quits and just buying another car, just a small run around. The trajet was purchased because my wife is a childminder and she needed a people carrier to get the kids around, but at the moment she is not working. every penny i throw at the trajet now could go towards a newer car, ive already lost £1000.

Any suggestions would be welcome.

If you can do a deal and get it towed to me I can have a look

soulice

Take my advice and get Hyundaiownersclub to have a look at your vehicle. You will get an Honest opinion and price- he has helped out what was thought to be several lost causes much to their relief.

Hope this info helps you

Itza :beer:

Hyundaiownersclub

thanks for your generous offer, as i said in my previous msg, i cant really afford to spend more money on this car, towing it to your location and back will be quite expensive.
I spoke to a dealer and asked out of curiosity how much they would give for my car as a trade in, if it were running, he said maybe £800.00 but he would need to have a look at the car first. The thing is i bet its a simple problem. but as it stands, i will probably have to fork out for replacing the cam sensor again then trace whats causing it to die. i can just see the cash register going ching, ching per hour.

Hyundaiowner, i wouldnt mind if you had a look at it, ill pay for your fuel to get here if you want?

basically the car is still at the garage in borehamwood, they waiting to shift it to the hyundai dealer in bushey on the 19th, but i will probably tow it home before then and probably scrap it. :unsure: