Why, boppert1! Plastic cubes, cheap paper cones, 22ga wire, no pesky highs to pierce your brain and no clean lows for that gall-dang hip hop music.....what more could you ask for?



I'm one of those who cringe every time I hear Bose and good in the same sentence.

P.S. My apologies to anyone reading this who has Bose speakers. I actually bought one of the Acoustimas systems once. It lasted six month until I couldn't stand the headaches anymore.

This post has been edited by campoly: Jun 5 2008, 05:14 PM

My 87 year old mother loves her overpriced Bose wave cd/radio. By the way I hear that Hyundai is thinking about putting a Tesla coil in the Azera passenger compartment. Any time anyone hears or thinks they hear anything it will zap them in the brain. Will be interesting to see what respected third party reviewers will have to say about this.

*cringe* :bigemo_harabe_net-01:

As does my sister. Whatever's expensive must be good - brand names impress the friends - etc. No joy.

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I've been complaining about Bose audio for years. Good to know I'm not alone. Paper cones and plastic housing indeed! It sounds good because Bose says it sounds good! It's right there, in the marketing literature! :w00t:

They really can sound like a million bucks :whistling: ........ right there in Sam's Club right next to the blaring GE and Sanyo home-theater-in-a-box displays and while you're standing in that pseudo surround sound demo thingy that towers above the unwashed as they stroll by.

Man, this is starting to resemble some of the audiophile forums I hang out at. :wink2:

With all due respect, a lot depends on the vehicle the system is installed in. Some vehicles with the Bose system sound really good........Like our new Nissan Rogue.

Now think how much better it could sound with a quality system from say JBL or Infinity.

The JBL system in my Solara jams :gitara:

The Infinity sounds pretty good also :grin:

I have Bose 301's and they sound good.....The thing with Bose is you have to have alot of power to push them.... And my Onkyo does the job. For the money they are not bad...sure they are not these but hey ~~> http://www.crutchfield.com/App/Product/Ite...00LSI25C&tp=185

http://www.axiomaudio.com/ep500.html?utm_s...ampaign=720x90c

I had Infinity overture 3's but I sold them to my brother.

This post has been edited by Brazzel: Jun 6 2008, 03:27 PM

The best sounding home speakers for the money I have heard are the Paradigm Monitor series. Similar sound to B&W's that cost 3 to 4 times more. Their Signature stuff kicks a$$ and is reasonably priced too. Of couse they're not Wilsons or MBL's but they're also not priced like a small house either.

As far as car audio goes, the JBL Syntehesis system in my friend's 4-runner is nothing short of amazing for a "stock" system. It puts some of the aftermarket systems I've had to shame. My brother's girlfriend has a new Mits Montero with the Rockford Fosgate system in it and that thing freakin rocks too.

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http://www.axiomaudio.com/ep500.html?utm_s...ampaign=720x90c

Now you're talking! Axiom is a great example of a speaker company that makes a great speaker for a modest price. Well worth the money. Not well know because they are not sold in stores. Simply awesome speakers!

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Does Onkyo still make receivers? Sweet! I have a Yamaha system, probably not the cleanest sound, more just for raw power pushing a 7.1 channel home theatre system with a cheap (but surprisingly clean-sounding) self-propelled 12" sub. (And I know you guys all just cringed at the number 12... I rather regret it, now I would take the trade-off between raw air mass movement vs. controlled, clean lows in a 10 for a home theatre system, and obviously, 8 for satellites or office listening, controlled spaces). The Yamaha system is 110WPC over all 7 channels, and does really well on otherwise modest speakers... but goodness, Onkyo makes great stuff. I had a used Onkyo throughout high school and college. I couldn't find an Onkyo receiver on any of the websites I visited when my Aiwa 5.1 pooped the bed (also a terrific unit, CLEARLY better sound than the Yamaha) and there were no more Aiwas to be found...

Hmm... what do you guys think about the Harmon-Kardon low-voltage theatre receivers? I.e., AVR series? Are they any good?

Cringe? No Way. I'm running a Paradigm Signature Servo 15" sub in my "theater" setup. The sickest sub I've heard in its price range. Deeper lows than any 18" cone could produce and tighter response than an 8" with the same control as a more expensive Velodyne (and about 50% more output). Displacement is fine (especially for more output) as long as you have control too. The servo motor comes in handy there.

I'm just waiting for the stucco to start crumbling off of my NEIGHBOR'S walls.

Onkyo still makes receivers and very good ones at that. Harmon-Kardon has been back from the dead for quite some years now and are making excellent receivers and they are very honest about their power ratings.

I'm using a 12" powered HSU sub that is satisfyingly clean down to 20 hz (of course once it gets that low, bass becomes more of a presence than an audible "sound").

Generally speaking, if you want clean, low sub bass and still move a lot of air, you have to pay more. Anybody can make big subs that thump but the cheap ones sound bloated and sloppy.

Denon, HK, Yamaha, Onkyo....all good stuff. Sure, you can get "better" but soon above the price point of these, the point of diminishing returns kick in and it becomes a prestige thing...think McIntosh, Mark Levinson, Meridian, etc.

What are you guys using for your mains? I've got Magnepan 1.6s.

Great sub! I'd be concerned about that stucco too. :)

But to get back on topic.........'scuse me. We mostly all agree there is a "wallowing" concern. I, personally, look at the Azzie from all her(sexist?) beautiful angles and have decided to wallow with her as learned in Sex 101, Drake University,DSM some years ago.

LOL! I'll go along with that recommendation.

McIntosh... Magnipans... jeez... my mains are SDAT 4-ways, cheap German speakers with polypropylene cones. The rest are Kenwood. It's cheap, a VERY humble system, but I will admit, when the rear channels start to bear some load, they really do quite well... there are Kenwood 3-way 6.5" poly-cone speakers for the side and rear channels.

Nothing special. I'll get around to the serious equipment you're describing when the forthcoming baby is a few years old! Before he goes to college and makes me poor again!

PS, I always had a bit of a soft spot for Wharfdale speakers... some day...

LOL! The Azzie's hips was one of the styling ques that attracted me to it from the first look. It was love at first sight. :wub:

Yes, attention to the room/cabin (in the case of car stereo) that you place your equipment in and the position of the speakers plays an even more critical roll in getting good sound out of a playback system than does the equipment, IMO.

The easiest way to make good equipment sound bad is to place it in a room full of hard surfaces with no sound absorption and diffraction/diffusion qualities.

This is especially true in car audio. Speaker placement is critical. The speakers in the Azera are well placed in that no tweeters or mid range speakers are aimed toward a hard surface (position of low bass speakers are not so critical in this respect).

We had a Volkswagen Passat that had speakers that pointed up toward the windshield and it was so god awfully shrill and hard edged that we never wanted to listen to it.