hi guys.. today i got a called from the dealer that my crdi SX i30 will be coming on friday...
and my 1st mods will be changing the headlights from halogen to high intesity discharge

my question is...

what the bulb size of i30 for Low BEAM? and also for High beam?

thx

Echocae,

As far as I can determine, they are both H1 55w globes. I can't find H1 mentioned in the manual however. What I do know is that they are both 55w single filament globes and to me they look identical to the H1 55w (which is single filament).

Bob

Echocae,

I want to upgrade my H1 lamps as well. Let us know how you get on. I've been doing a bit of research, but I have no idea about HID lamps and kits.

Would it be possible to upgrade both high and low beam or would that cause heat issues in the low beam enclosure?

Bob

for lowbeam ussually they have some ventilation :) to reduce the heat :) as for HIGH BEAM/FOG Light is illegal to have more than 4500K HID :)

in HID the colour is in K

3500K = yellow (same as stock)
4500K = Yellowish/ White
5000K = White (like most of european cars)
5500k = White (like most of european cars)
6000 - 6500k = Sunlight WHITE <-- the brightess light
7000 - 8000k = White/ blueish
8000 - 12000K = BLUE/ Purpleish
12000-16000K = Purple

i just need the exact bulb type/size.. so i can order the HID properly.. so u guys think is a H1 Size for LOW beam and also H1 size for HIGH beam?

so anyone that know.. let me know!!

This post has been edited by echocae: May 14 2008, 01:11 PM

Do they just replace the stock globes ? i talked to a guy that was incharge of emergency work, he was telling me those type lights same as come stock with euro cars are expencive but they, give a light like daylight and run at a much cooler temp than equivalent hallogen and take less power to run them. he said to run 1,000 watt halogen they used a diesel generator and if the fell over they could start a fire, one of these lights you are taking about could run off a small battery and give a light like daylight but still be cool. just he seemed to beleave you had to get more than just a globe, he used them on his Harley and Harleys use 55W low 60W high halogen stock he led me to beleave you need more than just a replacement globe and that it was not cheap. i used to just replace the 55W 60W globe with 55W 100W and get good results much brighter light, those Blue lights blind oncoming traffic. but they are stock on most euro cars and have been passed road worthy so must be ok. just i notice they can blind you more than normal hallogen, i think it has something to do with the blue colour.

Lakes,

Yes,, it is more than a bulb. Search the net for HID Kits and you will see they are a bulb and a balast (I think it is called - not sure). It is a box that changes the voltage (boosts it i believe) to that required by the bulb. Someone with more knowledge than be can give you a better idea.

Yes, they are expensive. They range from $150 up to about $550 on eBay if bought from Aussie sellers. However, since we can not fit driving lights on the i30, this is not really an expensive upgrade. I believe you can get over 300+% improvement in brightness.

Just want someone in the know to do it first and let us all know it's possible and how it is done, pics and all.

Bob

As Lakes indicated, from what I understand from researching this topic two years ago, HID systems are a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SYSTEM to the standard halogen globes you find in most cars. So it's not really HID "globe", but an entirely different system of Xenon gas burning in the specially housed headlamp. They are VERY VERY bright (hence High Intensity Discharge) and there is a distinct "cut-off" in light across the road.

HID systems from what I understand, has a ballast that fires up the globe at some thousands of volts (like a spark plug), before the system settles down to around 180 volts while it is running. You will notice this start up "flicker" when some BMW's and some Honda Accord Euro and some Libertys turn their lights on.

As to retro-fitting, beware. Firstly, because they probably do not satisfy ADR rules and the coppers won't have any issues issuing a fine if they find you with it. Secondly, retro fitting such a complicated system will be expensive, because you're talking about a whole new headlamp set, not just the globe. Thirdly, the ADR homologation testing for cars before they are approved on sale for the Aust market is there for a reason - so the public can rest assured the system works without detrimenting anyone. As it is, these HID systems do blind a lot of oncoming cars (when the HID car hits a dip and momentarily beams up for instance), so it's just a safety courtesy to consider what a retro fitted HID system could do to oncoming cars.

Lastly, you see a lot of "HID" blue or white light globes on sale at auto shops for $20/$30 - these are NOT HID globes, but only simulated ones - the light becomes white because of the Xenon gas in the globe - I've tested them myself and strongly suggest AGAINST them, because the white light actually doesn't define objects as well as the standard yellow light, and this is especially true in the rain, when it can get downright dangerous as potholes are missed. White light and rain don't go together, unless it's a true HID system.

If you want to get more light out of your current system, may I suggest an alternative that I've done over the years - get a set of Narva +50% halogen globes from Repco. These globes are rated the same as the normal globes, but the Xenon gas in them does make them a lot brighter. They do get dimmer as the years past - my ones lasted 3 years and by the time they were on their last legs, they were any brighter than the usual globes, but I got about 2 years worth a really bright light from them. And then, here goes, at the risk of contradicting myself, you might want to consider *incrementally* and *slightly* adjusting your headlamps up a little, to have the light cover more road ahead of you - I find that manufacturers are very conservative in this area ie. the headlamps are pointed too low. You need to be careful not to point them too high when adjusting them (just remember the number of clicks of turn when you're adjusting it) - do it against a wall about 10 meters away. The problem is the manufacturer's standard low setting actually can be dangerous for the driver on dark highways, because at 110km/h an hour a lot of ground is covered every split second, and a light that only covers 5 or metres ahead is dangerou, but set too high, you could blind oncoming cars, so you need to find a balance.

Anyway, in summary, HID system retro-fit? Don't recommend it ..... :o.

Thanks for that interesting information.

My issue is that I need brighter lights than I have as I do a few trips a week on country roads just on dusk. The standard lamps are just not bright enough and I can only travel safely at a maximum of 80kph in such conditions. Even then, I am constantly nervouse about roos jumping out.

Perhaps the Narva or Phillips +50 globes may be the way to go.

Bob

Hi Guys,

All very useful and interesting info - thanks.

Just one other consideration.

I have done in the past what lakes said and replaced 55w with 100w but there is a risk of melting the wiring if no ballast is installed or worse still with these modern polycarbonate lens actually melting the lens ( have heard some horror stories)

From whats been done and said "on the dark side" I'll probably just go with the Narva or Phillips +50 (nice affordable alternative)

Cheers,

Dazz

in i30 the Headlight (lowbeam) is using Projector headlight.. so the HID light can be projected to the road. if the headlignt didnt have any projector, it will blind someone and u will get caught by the police.

also HID they didnt have any FILAMENT on the bulb so what it does is THE electricity spark and burn the GAS inside the bulb.

as for price HID is ranging between $50-800 ussually i recommend to $100-150 mark.

HID is cheaper than halogen headlight because
halogen need 55w as HID only 35W
Halogen only have 5000 HOURS service live as HID 15000-30000 Hourse Service live
HID is 300% brighter (depending to the Number of K)

and also so u guys sure that i30 using H1 bulb for LOW Beam? Can any one confirm this BY looking the LOW BEAM Bulb Physically? because.. i have to go to buy it ASAP..

and i'll let u guys know with a PICS :P... also...if any of u guys in perth i show u how to install it ,it ussually takes 30 MIN to install HID bulb by the way i'm 22 = Its very easy to install ...

This post has been edited by echocae: May 15 2008, 12:20 AM

Hi There...

Are they still easy to install when you're nearly 52? :P

Cheers,

Dazz

Yeah is very2 easy... the wiring is straight forward.. :)

btw dazz do u know what bulb they using for LOW BEAM?

i got quoted differently from alot of dealer
from this forum it said H1
from 1 dealer they said H4 (hi/lo) <-- which is ridiculous
and from dealer that have the bulb in their hand they said is H7


so do u guys know? because i need to ORDER ASAP..

LOW BEAM HEADLIGHT - is the one inside the LENS / Near the indicator, can any one pull them out from the casing and read the NUMBER? (size in H1, H2, H7, ect.), atm i cant check it coz my i30 coming in next week

This post has been edited by echocae: May 15 2008, 12:58 AM

echocae,

The dealer may well be right. In order to take out a bulb, you need to remove some parts of the car (battery on one side plus something else on the other side). I know that is a drag and I don't want to do it unless I have lots of time on my hands. Why don't you wait until you get your car?

I was just assuming that both high and low beam were H1 as they are both 55w. Is the H7 a single filament 55w bulb? I think it is disappointing that the manual does not state the bulb type, just the wattage.

Let us know what you find out.

Bob

Hi Echocae,

Sorry, I haven't had a chance to get a globe out yet (by the sound of it, it's a fiddly job)

Will try tommorrow in the mean time I might send an email to Hyundai Australia and ask them...

Cheers,

Dazz

OK now i have an answer for the headlight bulb size

Hyundai Australia told me is H1 and the 3 Hyundai Dealer (2 WA and 1 VIC) they open the bulb from the lens and check physically from i30 told me its H7 (12v/55w).


so.. i think i gonna take the risk and go with H7

and now i already buy H7 HID 6000K(which is the legal light requirement of HID in projector headlight) for only $120 , and i look at the instalation guide its seems the same as my OLD car HID (only takes about 10min installing it). now I just need the CAR to come :P and i gonna take photo of the light with and without the HID

here sum pics of the HID:

(IMG:http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd165/echocae/item/HIDbaru.jpg)
(IMG:http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd165/echocae/item/hidbaru2.jpg)
(IMG:http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd165/echocae/item/HIDbaru3.jpg)


and for instruction manual of HID
please copy n paste link below (due is big size)
Page 1 Manual
Page 2 Manual

This post has been edited by echocae: May 16 2008, 02:42 AM

Hi echocae,

You're a winner :trophy: Thanks for posting the pix and instructions as well

$120 sounds reasonable for 2 ! Will you do anything to the high beams as well?

Will be interested to see the results... Perhaps we should all send your dealer hurry up emails! :grin:

Cheers,

Dazz

no worries mate I'll post the result mean while hopefully i didnt get the wrong light size(h7) if the light is infact h1 its mean I have 2 go to get new light again thats why I asked what size of headlight is being used, so guys if u have time PLs check it for me. because I still not sure/confident with the finding

as for high beam I keep them as halogen coz the lowbeam is bright enough