Checking my engine oil after 4880 miles, engine cold and overnight, I see that it has just moved to below Max.

Does anyone have any stats on oil useage for 1.6 diesels?

Reading the Handbook it mentions engines with the Particulate filter.
Do UK models have this as this will effect the oil to use?

when was the last time you checked the oil before this? it may be that the oil was low in the first place, keep an eye on it, it should not be using any oil on a newish vehicle, also it's better to check the oil when the engine is warm.

the filter you are talking about is another name for the pollen filter or cabin air filter, if you have got air con. then you have got one, l'm not sure about the 130 model but on all other hyundai models they are fitted behind the glove box

Montego,

Can you clarify please as the handbook say under Lublicant, engine oil
Diesel engine - Classification
Without CPF (Catalyzed Particulate Filter) ACEA B4
With CPF (Catalyzed Particulate Filter) ACEA C3

Is this connected to the pollen filter or is this another type of Particulate filter???

wow, this is in no way connected with the pollen filter, this would be something compleatly different that is fitted to the new engines fitted to the 130. and many other types of diesel engines. it is a filter that helps stop exhaust emmisions by collecting soot in the exhaust, l am not sure if this is fitted to your model, it would be best if you checked with your dealer or wait for another member who may have an answer

Hey eye, the particulate filter is in the pipe m8, i can't see how it could cause motor to use oil. but i checked with an oil suplier and the grade oil Hyundai say to use with particulate filter equiped models is a fully synthetic low smoke oil or might have said smokeless oil.
i like to run motors in with mineral base oil as lets the rings seat in better, with synthetic they don't seem to wear much at all,unless the oil gets above a temp and breaks down special aditives that are important, then it stops doing what it should.
you see if rings do not seal in the bore everytime piston goes up and down it leave's some oil on bore wall and that oil will be burnt, it's not a bad thing to have oil on bore wall as that stops wear. after it gets burnt it is replaced with small amount of fuel, so you have some fuel taking the place of oil. but we change our oil so no worries mate.
i noticed if you check oil when cold before you start it oil leavel is higher, and when you check when its hot straight after you turn it off it is lower. i can't see where the oil filter is? but if filter is mounted upside down this can happen. normally when a filter is mounted this way everytime you start the motor the oil light will be on till filter refills with oil. i have not been watching so not sure if it does this. can someone that has removed the oil filter tell me if its mounted upside down or not?
cheers :beer:

Thanks for feedback.

The Handbook indicates that there are different grades of oil depending on whether there is or isn't a Particulate Filter.

So does anyone know whether UK models have this filter Or how can I tell if there is a filter fitted?

Any views?

This post has been edited by eye30: May 13 2008, 12:50 PM

Hey eye, get under your car, look at the pipe the particulate filter looks much like a cat converter or small muffler it is up the front just after the turbo, down the back there is a normal large muffler. but i would say all new one's have a patic filter, or does your i30 blow smoke?

Will look tomorrow and let you know.

I dont think the UK or the Aus deliverd CRDis have particle filters, so Im not too worried about using mineral oil so long as it meets viscosity spec and is suitable for diesel engines, what I would be more worried about is using synthetic oils in a brand new motor.

Heres an interesting link

This post has been edited by turbo1600: May 14 2008, 06:01 AM

Turbo1600 have you looked at your exhast sytem? as there is what looks like a catalistic converter but diesels don't run unleaded fuel so must be a partic filter have a look.

Right Lakes I've looked under the car.

Now I'm not techincal so here goes:

Short pipe comes out of rear of engine.
There is a flexi type thing then as the pipe angles to straighten out to go to rear of the car there is a cylindical box bolted to pipe at both ends, say half metre in length.
Pipe from that to mid car where there is a smallish square box.
Then pipe to rear box.

Is yours the same?

Have I or have I not got a Particulate Filter?

You words of wisdom appreciated

This post has been edited by eye30: May 14 2008, 12:54 PM

eye, you sure had a good look m8! :) i saw the flex probably just to do with rubber engine mounts and as pipe goes out at a right angle, this is my first front wheel drive, with a normal rear wheel drive they don't need that, but after thinking about it its just there to let everything move on rubber mounts to stop cracking. then i saw the what looks like a catalistic converter like unlead petrol cars use but this is diesel, i did not see those box's you describe but i'm sure they are there will have to get the car up higher to have a closer look will have to wait till sunday as i'm tight for time and going bush this weekend. but don't worry to much m8, if you got it you don't have to clean diesel oil off back of your car, if you have not got it everytime you fire her up in the morning all the households around your way will rush out the back door to get the cloths off the line fast :grin: Smoke LOL
ps blame the french they designed the particulate filter for diesels :57:


This post has been edited by Lakes: May 14 2008, 03:12 PM

I doubt whether the i30 has one fitted, I asked at a Mercedes dealership and all of their current range do not have particle filters except the commerical vans.

The reason I checked with Merc because their cars are at the forefront when introducing new technology and diesels were invented by the Germans.

This thread has set me off googling all over the place. I had assumed (Wrongly perhaps??) that the i30 CRDi always came with a DPF. It is standard in Europe on most (possibly all) current 1.6 (and up) turbo diesels, in order to meet EURO4 requirements. The UK published figures for the i30 seem to show that it only just misses out on next years EURO5 requirements. I guess a mid life model refreshment might do the trick.

I am pretty certain that the current figures could not be achieved with out a DPF. see: http://www.vcacarfueldata.org.uk/search/ve...ls.asp?id=20031

The question is where did Hyundai's German designers of the i30 Diesel Engine go to source the DPF. Some time ago I think I may have seen a reference to "Englehard" as a supplier for the i30 DPF (now owned by Germany's BASF by all accounts). My googling did not turn up any thing this time. Alternatively it could have been Corning from the USA. Corning's unhelpful web site does mention supplying a DPF to Hyundai for at least one model. The dates however do not seem to tie up with the Cee'd/i30 development.

I suspect that the Corning and Englehard DPFs use similar technology. That is they can be regenerated without the use of a fuel additive such as is required by the PSA (Peugeot) technology.

The PSA technology is well explained here: http://www.psa-peugeot-citroen.com/modules...lais/index.html
Click on the numbered sections of the bar at the bottom of the home display to trigger the animations. It is a pity that the other manufacturers are not as helpful with explanation of their kit.

I have gained the impression from several forums that early DPFs were not without problems and required expensive servicing. Peugeot seem to be getting on top of things for their filter as the following statement makes clear...
Service periods for the filter have gone from 80,000 km to 120,000 km and are now over 180,000 km, through the combined optimisation of the filter and the additive.

Engine Oil in Diesels with a DPF is an issue and an expensive one for us users at that. It seems that mineral based oils are a no no (Sorry Lakes) as the minerals in the ash that finds its way through to the DPF can cause real problems there. This has given rise to a new generation of synthetic oils designed to prevent ash from clogging the filter. They are called low SAPS oils. The French oil company Total is one which has been busy in this field developing low SAPS oils for European Diesel engines. I guess that they will not have been alone and Hyundai will have specified something similar for the i30 CRDi + DPF or might be well advised to do so in the near future. Now if someone can make sense of the various Standards for Oil (ACEA C2 & A5/B5) they may be able to tell us if the i30 already uses a low SAPS oil. PDF file for Total's product attached.

On a TOTAL web site I found the following...
Low SAPS lubricants contain a reduced proportion of sulphated ash, phosphorus and sulphur. Formulated with an all-new generation of additives, the QUARTZ INEO range considerably increases the efficiency of anti-pollution systems, particularly Diesel Particulate Filters (DPF): the content of metallic components is reduced by 50%, which serves to increase the life span and efficiency of the DPF.

More here in less than perfect English but with pretty Sub Titled Videos. http://www.lubrifiants.total.fr/lub/lubroo...Document&LG=EN&

Hope this helps a bit.  Quatrz_Ineo.pdf ( 36.31k ) Number of downloads: 27

Thanks The Bun-yipks for the detailed explanation.

From what you say I take it that the UK i30 1.6crdi HAS a CPF.

(See my posting 14 May and I'm waiting on Lakes reply re:his views of the bits attached to my exhaust).

I would expect Hyundai to request an oil test to check grade if an engine claim is made under the warranty.

My handbook states without CPF: API ServiceCH-4 or above. ACEA B4
With CPF: ACEA C3.

Next time I pass the dealers I'll ask to be sure.

Which engine do we have? From what I have read and researched, there is only one diesel engine available in Australia (CRDi 1.6 85kW).

It appears as though the UK has two 1.6 CRDi engines and a 2.0 CRDi. From what I can remember, the two 1.6 engines are different in their emissions and their power output. One is 85kW and the other 66kW.

Again, the reason for the 66kW is to meet emission standards for London traffic standards resulting in a lower tax level (are these the EURO5 standards?).

Shambles, eye30. Am I correct?

Bob

Hi Bob.

I dunno about the London emission controls, although cars with low emissions do avoid the congestion charge.

Looking around, it would appear the only i30 at 66kW is the 5 gear manual, without the filter.

Found a table here that seems a nice summary

http://www.topspeed.no/katalog/hyundai.html

tjaliwalpa bob,

Here is the link to Hyundai UK

It only shows the 85kw 5 speed manual.

http://www.hyundai.co.uk/newCars/i30/technical/

I've read about the 66kw but not sure if on sale in UK yet.

Hi Eye30,

Thanks for the link interesting how different it is to our Aussie site (will enjoy checking it out)

http://www.hyundai.com.au/i30/default.aspx

We get 7 colour choices including white and the delightful moonlight blue :grin: and it is all so different... for example last time I looked we didn't get acceleration times....

Cheers,

Dazz

Hi D_D

It's interesting how each country markets the i30.

In UK the basic spec is your SR which I presume is the top spec.

Price wise they are about the same.