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 Apr 8 2008, 12:20 AM
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Just got the i30 diesel auto and no cruise control. Dealer claims they wanted to keep the price point down. Now, since it's available on the petrol auto (and the ratios are certainly the same as the diesel auto) - and I know 3rd party controls can be fitted, does anybody know what would be involved in getting the 'bit's (steering wheel controls, 'black box, wiring etc) from the Hyundai Parts dept and getting them fitted or is it just not feasible for some technical reason I'm unaware of? Cheers - Clive.
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Apr 8 2008, 02:28 AM
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Welcome!
Well considering its available in the UK on the diesel autos i would believe that its not totally impossible.
It would just depend on how much of the cruise control smarts is in the cruise control unit itself.
For example, pretty much any holden (pre ETC) you could go and grab the cruise control module, loom and buttons and just plug it in. All the smarts for the cruise control unit where in itself.
Now if thats the case of the hyundai then it shouldnt be an issue, hpwever if the program for the cruise control operation is in the Powertrain Control Module itself then it would require the PCM to be reflashed at the dealer. (probably something they wouldnt be happy doing)
I am interested myself in if this retrofitting of OEM parts would work with the radio buttons on the steering wheel
Cheers
WFC
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Apr 9 2008, 03:01 AM
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QUOTE(tjaliwalpa @ Apr 8 2008, 04:33 PM) Lakes,
No, the i30 does not have a cable accelerator, it is electronic. I did some researched before buying the i30 diesel manual we've got and found that out quickly. I was quoted $900 fitted by the dealer and found a similar price on the web from an after market supplier.
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Bob thank's, Ford & Holden call the electronic throtle "Fly by wire" but confusing, the Sonarta has the same, at the start i did not like it but now have come to love it, at least in my ford, my friend has a VW TDI Jetta it is electronic also he loves it, he fitted this??? would not know ewhat they call it but what it does is turn the fuel pump up to pump higer fuel pressure and his Jetta Fly's made a big difference, he says he can remove it easy and no one can tell it was ever there. should not be hard to run cruise control, they might be holding it back till next year, my ford cost $900 for cruise back in 04 now they are standard across the range. the dealer quoted me $750 but don't know if it's aftermarket or what as i have not even meet the dealer as i've been too busy got others to do the leg work. will know more when i get the car. John ps Saw two i30 in Sydney CBD today one Blue petrol and one silver? the silver was SLX the blue was SX.
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 Apr 11 2008, 09:32 AM
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Now this may not be of any use to anyone but then again it might just be useful. So please bear with me. I do not know if this could be the answer but there might be a clue to a way forward in what follows. The Mazda3 is supplied in several versions with and without Cruise control in different markets. For those versions that are similar to the i30 in that they are "Drive by Wire" rather than mechanical accelerator operation a DIY solution is relatively easy for those with the basic mechanical skills. It seems that in the Mazda3 the control circuitry is already there (In the ECU from Bosch perhaps?) and all that is required is to install the steering wheel controls and change a switch on the brake pedal. If you would like to join the thousands who have read the How To on the Mazda3 forums please take a look at the well illustrated post here. http://www.mazda3forums.com/index.php?PHPS...99923#msg699923As I see it it could be worth while finding out if a similar retro fit is possible for the i30. I cannot imagine the Stealers being pleased if it turns out that the upgrade is a DIY option. The real obstacle might be getting hold of the required parts. Unless someone like the people here can help http://www.koreanautoimports.com/store/ some day. Although a USA company where the i30 is not yet sold (I think that they will get the stretched wagon version) they have a few bits for the i30 already. Safety Note: Anyone planning to attempt the upgrade on an i30 would be well advised to check out and then follow the guidance on safety precautions when working near the potentially explosive air bags or leave it to someone suitably qualified. :beer:
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Apr 12 2008, 07:09 PM
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Hi Bun-Yip and thanks for posting the data on a seemingly similar exercise on a Mazda - excellent article. The challenge seems to be obtaining ACCURATE information on, for example, some production engineering aspects of the i30 such as does the wiring loom have all the cables for all the options so that they just need to be plugged in (that's usually the least expensive way to make cars these days). It's still a little new to most Aussie dealers so - speaking with Hyundai HO in Sydney last week - they're still trying to find out if Aussie spec cars have the same loom as British cars (where I believe you CAN get an auto diesel with cruise control) and if there are real differences between diesel and petrol looms. Anybody know a friendly dealer with a trained tech who could dig out the info? Cheers - Clive.
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Apr 13 2008, 09:03 AM
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Hi Clive,
I had hoped that my post might result in the kind of questions that you are asking. I hope for the benefit of everyone who is interested that it does not take long to uncover the answers. I have my fingers crossed that it will prove to be as easy to add Cruise Control to an i30 as it is for Mazda3 owners. If only because I may yet become an i30 owner. A reasonable take up of such a DIY modification should persuade Hyundai that is should be added to their already impressive list of standard features in all markets.
In the (pre drive by wire) days when adding cruise control was a big deal for a manufacturer it helped differentiate the various models in a range and the not significant price differences loved by Stealer and Manufacturer alike. Today with less expensive ways of building such functions into a model withholding such a low cost additional function as the Mazda mod illustrates can only lead to a suspicion that model differentiation has become more about profits than serving the customer's best interests.
For me as a long in the tooth driver who has only of recent years discovered the fatigue reducing benefits of Cruise Control on longer journeys I would add Cruise Control as a compulsory addition for manufacturers along with ESP, maximum fuel efficiency and the associated lowest pollution emissions practicable. It is just as well that I have no expectation of being appointed World Dictator as not all of my ideas would go down well even if this one found favour with a few people.
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Apr 23 2008, 09:37 AM
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The unavailability of factory fitted cruise control in the diesel is the one sore fact that has pushed the i30 diesel out of my consideration for a new small car. The fact I have to pay $1k for traction control and extra airbags (compared to Lancer's standard) also irks me.
I was quoted $800 by a Sydney dealer for a "3rd-party" installation of cruise control on the diesel - being respectful of tradies and techies in general, I still say "no way, Jose" .... I don't want some unknown contractor ripping out the airbag of the steering in the brand new car to squeeze in a cruise control that I have no knowledge what type it is or where it has come from. Not when I can help it anyway (ie. other manufacturers having their cruise controls built in!).
The dealer also said there's still an 8-week wait for the SLX diesel, so taking into account the fact I will need to spec the Protecz pack and 3rd party cruise control into the pricing (manual), I'm looking at close to $29K or even $30K drive away. That's way too much, not because it's not a BMW, but simply because I don't really want to pay full price for a car (who does?). So, this leaves me the Mazda 3 diesel as the only other reliable diesel choice, a pretty different car that handles better, but also a fair bit noisier. BTW I also tested just about all the European diesels - nice, but not game enough to put up with their general poor reliability - I do not know of a single European car owner who has not reported major faults in their cars - this lines up with JD Power surveys in USA (that also has reported Hyundai near the top for so many years now). Anyway, digressing .....
With diesel prices also now 20% more than petrol, on top of the diesel premium purchase cost (admittedly you get some of it back at resale), I am remembering again the 6-year break-even cost point for driving a diesel v petrol .... my 3-year lease indicates to me now I might end up giving up the pleasures of low rpm torque and getting a petrol .... (compared to the diesel, the i30 petrol has other desirable competition in my mind unfortunately ....)
So, it's a real shame I have to give the i30 diesel a miss as I need to buy a car by August (the i30 unlikely to fulfill demand by then, since the Czech plant doesn't fire up till 2009) .... a shame 'cos I really like the i30 .... one of the few diesel engines that is economical, quiet (take note, Golf truck!) and torquey .... plus the interior reeks of class and quality ... all you i30 owners out there, now you've already paid the money, forget about the start up cost and enjoy this super fine car .....
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Apr 23 2008, 11:26 AM
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Aw cmon dude, lol.
We were quoted $500 for the cruise fitted by the third party, and the dealer explained that this a little more than people prefer to pay ($800 is definitely over the top), however this was as they wanted to ensure that what was being fitted was decent quality, and are willing to back their claims by including the cruise in the new car warranty. I don't know too much about these sorts of things, but sounds reasonable doesn't it?
And why not go for the SX with the protectz pack? For a manual you'd be able to negotiate somewhere around $25,000 (or less I can't remember).
As you say, diesel is good not only for the cost in the long-term but for the torque!! This is what I have mostly based my decision on in purchasing this car. And as you said nice looking car, comfortable interior....and everyone seems to have Mazdas these days!
so will you consider? :innocent:
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Apr 23 2008, 02:24 PM
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QUOTE(aranciata-oz @ Apr 23 2008, 09:37 AM) The unavailability of factory fitted cruise control in the diesel is the one sore fact that has pushed the i30 diesel out of my consideration for a new small car. The fact I have to pay $1k for traction control and extra airbags (compared to Lancer's standard) also irks me.
I was quoted $800 by a Sydney dealer for a "3rd-party" installation of cruise control on the diesel - being respectful of tradies and techies in general, I still say "no way, Jose" .... I don't want some unknown contractor ripping out the airbag of the steering in the brand new car to squeeze in a cruise control that I have no knowledge what type it is or where it has come from. Not when I can help it anyway (ie. other manufacturers having their cruise controls built in!).
The dealer also said there's still an 8-week wait for the SLX diesel, so taking into account the fact I will need to spec the Protecz pack and 3rd party cruise control into the pricing (manual), I'm looking at close to $29K or even $30K drive away. That's way too much, not because it's not a BMW, but simply because I don't really want to pay full price for a car (who does?). So, this leaves me the Mazda 3 diesel as the only other reliable diesel choice, a pretty different car that handles better, but also a fair bit noisier. BTW I also tested just about all the European diesels - nice, but not game enough to put up with their general poor reliability - I do not know of a single European car owner who has not reported major faults in their cars - this lines up with JD Power surveys in USA (that also has reported Hyundai near the top for so many years now). Anyway, digressing .....
With diesel prices also now 20% more than petrol, on top of the diesel premium purchase cost (admittedly you get some of it back at resale), I am remembering again the 6-year break-even cost point for driving a diesel v petrol .... my 3-year lease indicates to me now I might end up giving up the pleasures of low rpm torque and getting a petrol .... (compared to the diesel, the i30 petrol has other desirable competition in my mind unfortunately ....)
So, it's a real shame I have to give the i30 diesel a miss as I need to buy a car by August (the i30 unlikely to fulfill demand by then, since the Czech plant doesn't fire up till 2009) .... a shame 'cos I really like the i30 .... one of the few diesel engines that is economical, quiet (take note, Golf truck!) and torquey .... plus the interior reeks of class and quality ... all you i30 owners out there, now you've already paid the money, forget about the start up cost and enjoy this super fine car .....
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Hi, a lot of your thought's mirror my own thought's, like i was looking at euro diesels myself but unsure of how reliable they are. with the cruise control i'm not worried much as it's not that hard to fit, also i have been to factory assembly lines so know what that looks like . if i got 5 year unlimited k warranty that will do me. i had a new mazda and the front end fell off, and i always took it to mazda for servicing only had a few bolts holding it on and they never checked. that was 10 years back. plus the Mazda 3 diesel does not have cruise control and only 100,000k warranty i drove one too but don't like the orange instuments my friend got a mazda 3 diesel in january, he just traded it last month but have not asked him why yet. you sound like you know what you want so good luck with what ever you choose. John
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Apr 23 2008, 04:57 PM
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