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craigbrooks
post Feb 4 2008, 10:11 PM
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QUOTE(wymi @ Feb 4 2008, 07:32 PM)
10.9 Liters = 11.517901482815272 Quarts

Thanks, but thats the total amount of oil the trans holds. I'm looking for any reference to what amount will drain out just by removing the drain plug.
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If I did the drain and refill method....which I won't....I'll do the flush. I'd rather have someone to blame if, well you know. I'd have enough on hand to refill the full trans and return what I didn't use. Just my way of doin' it. BTW :grin:
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post Feb 5 2008, 07:02 PM
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QUOTE(bobad @ Sep 18 2007, 02:04 PM)
PM,

Are your driving conditions considered to be extreme? If so, 30K is right. For normal driving conditions, 105K is the change interval for tranny fluid.

If 30K, you may be able to get the fluid cheaper by the gallon. Without checking, I suppose it takes in the neighborhood of 2 or 3 gallons.
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My transmission guy recommends against these 30K changes. He says the fluids have detergents in them and cause the paper like plates to deteriorate.
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post Feb 5 2008, 08:15 PM
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QUOTE(craig04c5 @ Feb 5 2008, 07:02 PM)
My transmission guy recommends against these 30K changes. He says the fluids have detergents in them and cause the paper like plates to deteriorate.
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What does your transmission guy recommend?
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post Feb 5 2008, 08:35 PM
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I wouldn't wait till 105K. I've seen fluid at 30K and it looks ready to change.

Btw I had breakfast with our service manager today and asked him if he did the flush and I provided the Castrol fluid how many quarts? He told me 16. :w00t: Can you buy this stuff at Costco in bulk? :grin: I may ask my ASE Master friend to help me do a drain and fill with the tilting method. :thumbsup:
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post Feb 5 2008, 08:38 PM
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QUOTE(craigbrooks @ Feb 5 2008, 09:35 PM)
I wouldn't wait till 105K.  I've seen fluid at 30K and it looks ready to change.


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i agree.. i would get it done by 50k at the very most... (if it were me)

if you are going to wait until 105k, plan on never doing it.. once it gets to a certain point, flushing will do more harm to the vehicle than not doing it...
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post Feb 5 2008, 08:40 PM
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QUOTE(ddix1026 @ Feb 5 2008, 06:38 PM)
i agree..  i would get it done by 50k at the very most...  (if it were me)

if you are going to wait until 105k, plan on never doing it..  once it gets to a certain point, flushing will do more harm to the vehicle than not doing it...
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Yea then it's a drain and fill and cross your fingers.
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post Feb 6 2008, 07:45 AM
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QUOTE(Aerostar_ca @ Feb 5 2008, 08:15 PM)
What does your transmission guy recommend?
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I was changing our Taurus at the 30K recommended interval and the trans failed at 104K and I told him that I could not understand why it failed. He told me I may have actually contributed to the failure. He told me that it applied to all auto transmissions so I am not going to change the Sonata at 30K. He recommended that I follow the non-severe recommendation regardless of how I drive.

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post Feb 6 2008, 10:20 AM
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QUOTE(craig04c5 @ Feb 6 2008, 07:45 AM)
I was changing our Taurus at the 30K recommended interval and the trans failed at 104K and I told him that I could not understand why it failed.  He told me I may have actually contributed to the failure.  He told me that it applied to all auto transmissions so I am not going to change the Sonata at 30K.  He told me to follow the non-severe recommendation regardless of how I drive.
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100k is pretty good for a ford tranny. We had some Taurus cars in our fleet a few years ago and we saw some trans failures at 75k.
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post Feb 6 2008, 11:20 AM
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QUOTE(wymi @ Feb 6 2008, 11:20 AM)
100k is pretty good for a ford tranny. We had some Taurus cars in our fleet a few years ago and we saw some trans failures at 75k.
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wymi is correct, 100k for a Ford is not bad.. (especially the Taurus) they are well known for having tranny problem in between 75k - 100k.. almost all the time...

has nothing to do with changing the fluid or not changing the fluid.. just the way they were built... a lot of people will tell you the same thing, especially those that had many of them (fleets)
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post Feb 7 2008, 06:40 AM
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I had an Intrepid before getting Sonata - transmission fluid was flushed every year or 24,000 kms (every 2-nd year or 48,000 kms - gasket and filter was changed). When I traded the Intrepid in - ~330,000 kms on it - no failures. Easily went 180 kph on a highway when needed.

I believe tranny oil change is a must for a long life.
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post Feb 7 2008, 09:07 AM
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QUOTE(wymi @ Feb 6 2008, 10:20 AM)
100k is pretty good for a ford tranny. We had some Taurus cars in our fleet a few years ago and we saw some trans failures at 75k.
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Yes, it seems the Taurus has a problem with the transmissions. We had one previous to the 2002 and it also failed at around 115K miles.
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post Feb 7 2008, 01:32 PM
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QUOTE(wymi @ Feb 3 2008, 11:50 AM)
"The 4 cyl. only uses 6.75 quarts total."

Perry, where did you get the above info? According to my owners manual the 4 speed holds 8.24 qts & the 5 speed holds 11.52 qts. I am going out today to pick up some Castrol ATF and hopefully do the drain & refill soon. I will get 10 qts & just save what ever I don't use for the next drain.

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You're right, I goofed and looked at the Imperial quart info. Good thing the 5 quarts I bought were enough.

BTW, you're right about the way the 5 speed auto on the 3.3 shifts. I have just recently been driving the wife's Santy more often and it kind of falls flat when shifting as if the friction modifiers aren't allowing the clutches to slip enough. Didn't notice it at first cuase it has so much more power than the 2.4, you don't really have to gun it. Got anothe 26K miles to go on the Santy until I have to change the tranny fluid on it so I'll wait. After driving a Nissan Murano with that crappy CVT, the 5 speed in the Santy is a heck of a lot better.

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post Feb 14 2008, 10:20 AM
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After 1,500 miles on the Castrol Import Multi-Vehicle ATF, here's what I have to say.
Better shifting in all driving conditions, part throttle, full throttle, downshifting and upshifting. It doesn't fall flat on it's face when upshifting and shifts much smoother and quicker.
The friction modifiers help keep it from falling flat on it's face while upshifting, probably due to less abrasive friction modifiers that allow the clutches to slip a little more, keeping the gears spooled up.
I did some more snooping around and found that the Pennzoil and Quaker State Multi-Vehicle/Mercon V ATF is approved for Hyundai and Mitsubishi SP III. Turns out, that Mercon V uses the same friction modifiers as our SP III. See the links below. Basically any Multi Vehicle/Mercon V ATF will work well. Mobil 1 and Valvoline have full synthetics available.

DO NOT use Chrysler ATF 3/4, they use friction modifiers that will cause too much slippage.

http://www.pzlqs.com/Tech/Pdsheet/Domestic...issionFluid.pdf

http://www.quakerstate.com/pds/TDS%20Multi...issionFluid.pdf
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post Feb 14 2008, 10:25 AM
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QUOTE(Perry Manessis @ Feb 14 2008, 10:20 AM)
After 1,500 miles on the Castrol Import Multi-Vehicle ATF, here's what I have to say.
Better shifting in all driving conditions, part throttle, full throttle, downshifting and upshifting. It doesn't fall flat on it's face when upshifting and shifts much smoother and quicker.
The friction modifiers help keep it from falling flat on it's face while upshifting, probably due to less abrasive friction modifiers that allow the clutches to slip a little more, keeping the gears spooled up.
I did some more snooping around and found that the Pennzoil and Quaker State Multi-Vehicle/Mercon V ATF is approved for Hyundai and Mitsubishi SP III. Turns out, that Mercon V uses the same friction modifiers as our SP III. See the links below. Basically any Multi Vehicle/Mercon V ATF will work well. Mobil 1 and Valvoline have full synthetics available.

DO NOT use Chrysler ATF 3/4, they use friction modifiers that will cause too much slippage.

http://www.pzlqs.com/Tech/Pdsheet/Domestic...issionFluid.pdf

http://www.quakerstate.com/pds/TDS%20Multi...issionFluid.pdf
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Good info, thanks for the update on how your trans is doing with the Castrol. Did you use your original drain plug washer when you did the change?
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Yes, I always reuse the drain plug washers (oil pan and tranny pan). I pull them off the drain plug, clean them good and then flip them over and reuse them. I hand tighten the drain plug until it seats and then turn it with the wrench until it's tight, but never overtighten. Usually about 1/4 turn or so.
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post Feb 14 2008, 10:48 AM
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Perry, where did you purchase this? (do places like Pep Boys, etc. sell it?)

and how much was it? i see a price online for almost $4 per quart...
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QUOTE(ddix1026 @ Feb 14 2008, 10:48 AM)
Perry, where did you purchase this?  (do places like Pep Boys, etc. sell it?)

and how much was it?  i see a price online for almost $4 per quart...
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Perry said he paid $3.99 a quart at Auto Zone.

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