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> Scoupe Turbo Power Limit, 275nm Max
Schwitzer Turbo
post Jul 4 2007, 03:07 AM
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Hey hey all Just letting you know

Hi had my car on the Dyno yesterday at .9 it makes 275nm at 1.2 it makes 275nm and so on.The tuner says the Airflow meter is Dropping the voltage hence initating the Safey mode. at 5000rpm it makes 275nm and then just flat line's....

I had Suspected this for a while now, it was just to common that at every boost, the nm was still the same. even at 1.7 bar(same nm for Eyelidtoo)

@ 1.7 bar i did feel the timing being pulled back. My tuner needs the Car for longer to see if he can Jippo the System...

So what im trying to say is that on the Stock Mangamnet System 275nm is all what the Scoupe Will Allow, 275nm must not be frowned at, but am still Dissapointed
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VALKYRIE YB70
post Jul 4 2007, 11:21 AM
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Just to add that the stock Garrett T15 turbocharger on this car `runs out of puff` at 5000 r.p.m. due to it`s small size.

I only ever take the revs. over that figure when I`m in top gear & the speedo. will then record 126 m.p.h. when the needle enters the red line @ 6000 r.p.m..

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Schwitzer Turbo
post Jul 5 2007, 01:18 AM
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Final Performance Figure is 144kw and 286nm, Scoupe has always been powerfull but had the timing advanced now she has grown some Horns......
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post Jul 5 2007, 10:04 AM
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****, that'd be a weapon lol
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post Jul 5 2007, 12:39 PM
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Got some nice specs for a scoupe :)
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post Jul 6 2007, 01:58 AM
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Honestly im Dissapionted i was Hoping for 170kw and 350nm @ 1.5 bar's

I will probably be able to get more power but i would have to remove the airflow meter and put on a Full Stand Alone Managment system.
Maybee some day but the cash it cost me to build this scoupe has left me dry. i have sent the scoupe away for a respray at my mates place will probably take about or month or two, give me some time to think and pay off some debt. in the last 6 months i have upgraded

Gearbox
Clutch
New Bigger Turbo(again) has had 4 different turbo, 3 were upgrade after upgrades
75mm Throttle Body
2 day Mapping Session
and some minor things but i recon

if you got a Stock scoupe GT and wanna make 275nm all u need is.

Garrett T2.5
Big Cooler
increase feul pressure to 3.5 bars
63mm Exhaust.

There will be some Fabrication for the Exhaust and Boost Pipes then Obvioulsy the Dump vavle.

I feel i did not need to have such a big turbo, Aftermarket Tubular Manifold, and a Piggy Back System/Extra Injectors.

Yes my scoupe was in Mint Condition and now she is running great but for all the bucks i spent i exspected more, maybee it was just me being blind dunno....

But she is Performing now... Actaully wanna do it all again
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post Jul 6 2007, 10:35 AM
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Thats about 193 horses and some change for all you sae guys! Nice on a little 1.5. :thumbsup:
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post Jul 6 2007, 11:17 AM
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Well I think its good:) If you have never tried you wouldnt know wat it did. With a standalone ECU there will be more gain. Hope youll get it soon:)
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post Jul 10 2007, 05:27 AM
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Now with facts..

Okie so i was reading this article on Reducing Lag and the test car was a Audi S4 - 2.2-litre, 5-cylinder turbo, Which "allegadly" had the same ECU system as the Scoupe Turbo.

Well the bottom line in this exsperimant was a succes that they increased airflow but as they were getting better results the Ecu was lowering boost and timing, hence they where in a catch 22.

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Aaaahhh! The ECU appeared to be dropping boost to keep the power the same, ignoring the benefits that could be had from the new high-flow intake system and better fuel! I was going around in circles while the Audi ECU thumbed its nose at me.


http://autospeed.drive.com.au/cms/A_0663/article.html?


(IMG:http://us1.webpublications.com.au/static/images/articles/i6/0652_3lo.jpg) For those who dont know this is what a scoupe airflow meter lewks JUST like, and 90% of all airflow meters do NOT looks liek this.


****Power did not respond to the better intake flow, with initially knock-triggered ignition **** then falling ECU-controlled boost the suspected culprits.****
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post Jul 10 2007, 11:23 AM
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Some peeps may not know that the MAF on the Turbo car is a hot wire unit which also incorporates the air intake temperature sensor, whereas the N.A. Scoupe has only a hot foil unit with a separate AIT sensor in the airbox.

This is one of the reasons why the Turbo`s MAF is much less likely to be damaged by fitting a cone air filter close to the unit..........doing this to a N.A. car (or an Accent/Excel) often results in early MAF failure!.

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post Jul 12 2007, 02:32 AM
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Looks like im gonna be Building a Bigger Air Flow Meter, Same Element just in a Bigger Chassis. Shouldnt cost much.....
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post Jul 13 2007, 09:01 PM
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I'm going mk1 with a 4g63t so ill be putting about 195hp to the ground stock (or stockish). If life only had a fast foward button :hyper:

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post Jul 14 2007, 12:18 PM
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Hey!

I drive a Scoupe 94. My most power one a MAHA Dyno was 258hp and 389NM at 1,4bar! (with stock BOSCH Motronic) How a drive a other Motor Management System and have 217hp und 300NM at 1bar.

My Problem with stock ECU was the maxed out MAF Sensor and knocking at 4500-5000U/min.

Soory for may bad english!!!!
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post Jul 16 2007, 03:42 AM
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QUOTE(INTERCEPTOR @ Jul 14 2007, 12:18 PM)
My Problem with stock ECU was the maxed out MAF Sensor and knocking at 4500-5000U/min.


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That Is the Exact problem i am having! Please post pics/tell us more about your ride.
Pics/video/mod list etc.. please homie.

PLEASE POST DYNO PRINTOUT BEFORE AND AFTER THE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM

Yo Eyelid! Wassup

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post Jul 17 2007, 10:44 AM
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SchwitzerTurbo..i am afraid that the time has come to bin the stock management.

with the mods that you have, i am 99% sure that you will get silly power figures with standalone management...

with things like "megasquirt" it can be done for a reasonable price, as you soolder the thing together as you go along
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post Jul 17 2007, 11:31 AM
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post Jul 17 2007, 11:35 AM
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New ECU 1bar: http://www.hyundaiforum.de/index.php?act=g...New+INTERCEPTOR

http://www.hyundaiforum.de/index.php?act=g...New+INTERCEPTOR

http://www.hyundaiforum.de/index.php?act=g...New+INTERCEPTOR

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post Jul 18 2007, 03:34 AM
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Okie german dude thanks for the pics, what are we exactly looking at cos i cant read german or navigate those sites!

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post Jul 18 2007, 10:50 AM
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Can you open the Pics?

Not? Send my your Mail Adress!
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