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Cold Air Vs. Short Ram Intake

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01AccentGSI View Member Profile	Jan 25 2007, 10:52 PM Post #1
Newbie Group: Members Posts: 3 Joined: 2-January 07 Member No.: 25,917 Status: Location: Winnipeg, Canada Drives: 01 Accent GSI	So I came across something different on the net the other day. I saw 2 websites both stating that short ram intakes work better than cold air intakes on accents for some reason. Does anyone know if this is true? If so does anyone know if the difference is major?

Erikgsi View Member Profile	Apr 3 2007, 08:24 AM Post #2
Senior Group: Members Posts: 486 Joined: 1-April 07 Member No.: 29,267 Status: Location: South Carolina Drives: 2007 hyundai accent GS	From what i have read and experienced myself yes for some odd reason the short rams wirk better on the accents

TOOSLO View Member Profile	Aug 1 2007, 08:21 AM Post #3
AMSOIL T-1 CERTIFIED DEALER Group: Members Posts: 910 Joined: 30-July 07 Member No.: 33,358 Status: Location: under a rock! Drives: 2007 hyundai accent gs 3dr auto	i might have this back wards so dont quote me ...lol the short ram helps out top end power and the cold air helps out low end power This post has been edited by TOOSLO: Nov 5 2007, 09:27 AM

Bdiggy View Member Profile	Aug 1 2007, 09:45 AM Post #4
Veteran Group: Members Posts: 1,054 Joined: 9-June 07 Member No.: 31,500 Status: Location: Thomaston,CT Drives: 2004 Hyundai Elantra GT 2.0	Is it possible that the accent doesn't get the neccesary air flow for a CAI to function to it's potential? I have the SRI in my Elantra and the drawback to that is the fact that it draws heat from the block. But when it's cool out that little intake sounds and performs nicely.

Komptek View Member Profile	Sep 17 2007, 06:48 PM Post #5
AMSOIL T1 Direct Dealer Group: Members Posts: 1,484 Joined: 9-August 07 From: Fort McMurray, AB Member No.: 33,740 Status: Location: Canada Drives: '07 Accent SR, '08 Santa Fe Limited	Also you only have a 1.6L. Try this out hook up a hose to your vaccum. Test the sucking power, now add more hose and see the differance. Less sucking. This si due to the fact that it's harder to pull high flow of air over a longer span. Now the hot air issue. Create a Ram air tube that will direct the air towards your Short intake. Also a heat shield is a big bonus. This is why the Hyundai Intake is costly, it comes with a heatshield. Not a great one but a shield none the less. I also took teh time to look at a few things on the Accent, since I owned a 2004. I notice these things. 1. Throttle body is larger adn more straight through. 2. Intake manfold is larger, not sure why. 3. The same part number is on just about everything onthe engine, except for those things that are apparent. CAI would work if you were Turboing or Superchargingthe car, but just NA stick with SAI and build a Ram air tubing from the fog light up to the filter.

larry12s View Member Profile	Sep 30 2007, 10:01 AM Post #6
Newbie Group: Members Posts: 9 Joined: 29-September 07 Member No.: 35,753 Status: Location: USA Drives: 2007 Hyundai Accent GS 1.6	So basically speaking the cold air intakes for the accent are not gonna provide that much more in the way of HP or gas mileiage then the K&N stock replacement air filter-is that true? Sorry for the typo This post has been edited by larry12s: Sep 30 2007, 08:38 PM

Komptek View Member Profile	Oct 9 2007, 12:16 AM Post #7
AMSOIL T1 Direct Dealer Group: Members Posts: 1,484 Joined: 9-August 07 From: Fort McMurray, AB Member No.: 33,740 Status: Location: Canada Drives: '07 Accent SR, '08 Santa Fe Limited	You bet, but the K&N doesn't provide great filtering. Switch it all out for a SRI and get a non oil filter. AEM or Amsoil have the best preforming and filtering filters.

Tucson View Member Profile	Oct 13 2007, 07:14 AM Post #8
Member Group: Members Posts: 53 Joined: 12-July 05 Member No.: 9,157 Status: Location: QUEBEC CITY. Q.C. Drives: 2005 Tucson	Hahaha the guy that sells Amsoil says His filters are better then K&N... what a joke... You probabbly say that Amsoil is Better then Royal Purple !!! what a joke.. sorry to say but Amsoil Sucks. Royal Purple and K&N are way better brands Ian

crayb View Member Profile	Oct 14 2007, 12:55 PM Post #9
Senior Group: Members Posts: 363 Joined: 15-September 07 From: Central Mississippi Member No.: 35,219 Status: Location: Central Mississippi, USA Drives: 2007 Hyundai Accent SE 5-spd, 2007 Infiniti G35, 2005 Nissan Frontier Crew LE, 2004 Lexus RX330, 1992 Mazda Miata C pkg 5-spd	And what do you base your Royal Purple and K&N findings on?? I like to see data with proven theories. Ray

Tucson View Member Profile	Oct 14 2007, 03:12 PM Post #10
Member Group: Members Posts: 53 Joined: 12-July 05 Member No.: 9,157 Status: Location: QUEBEC CITY. Q.C. Drives: 2005 Tucson	were do I start... I have a scangauge, witch tells you your engine temp. ect ect ect... Well with Amsoil I ran 95C and with Royal Purple I run 91C So it run 4C cooler with Royal Purple. So if their oils run hotter I guess the Air filter must suck as well... but to each their own... but having a Sales REP say their product is better is a joke... Cauz what sales rep would say their product is less efficient... Ian This post has been edited by Tucson: Oct 14 2007, 03:13 PM

crayb View Member Profile	Oct 15 2007, 01:01 AM Post #11
Senior Group: Members Posts: 363 Joined: 15-September 07 From: Central Mississippi Member No.: 35,219 Status: Location: Central Mississippi, USA Drives: 2007 Hyundai Accent SE 5-spd, 2007 Infiniti G35, 2005 Nissan Frontier Crew LE, 2004 Lexus RX330, 1992 Mazda Miata C pkg 5-spd	I know for a fact that the K&N filter will set of CEL in some cars because the 02 sensor becomes clogged/corroded with oil. This prevents me from adding it to any of my cars. A few in my Miata group here have had CEL problems with the K&N. YMMV. I have no personal experience with the filter. My oil of choice is Castroil and has been for the last 17 years. Ray

larry12s View Member Profile	Oct 20 2007, 01:40 PM Post #12
Newbie Group: Members Posts: 9 Joined: 29-September 07 Member No.: 35,753 Status: Location: USA Drives: 2007 Hyundai Accent GS 1.6	I have been running a K&N in my '94 scoupe- and have had no problems in that last 9 yrs-- I used to use castrol- but switched to Mobile one- and just put a K&N in my '07 accent. It has incresaed miliage by about 1 1/2 miles per gallon

MurfsDad View Member Profile	Nov 1 2007, 12:12 PM Post #13
Full Member Group: Members Posts: 125 Joined: 19-July 07 Member No.: 32,939 Status: Location: New Brunswick Drives: 2007 Hyundai Santa Fe GL 3.3 AWD	QUOTE(crayb @ Oct 15 2007, 03:01 AM) I know for a fact that the K&N filter will set of CEL in some cars because the 02 sensor becomes clogged/corroded with oil. Ray [right][snapback]113858[/snapback][/right] Ray: IF the K&N sets a CEL its not because the O2's are affected its because over oiling of the filter will on rare occasions deposit oil on the wires of the MAF causing it to read out of range. Very easily cleaned and rectified. I've run K&N filters on carb'ed and injected cars for years and never had a problem. I'll be putting in a K&N into the SF in the very near future. FWIW, Stewart

Komptek View Member Profile	Nov 3 2007, 06:59 PM Post #14
AMSOIL T1 Direct Dealer Group: Members Posts: 1,484 Joined: 9-August 07 From: Fort McMurray, AB Member No.: 33,740 Status: Location: Canada Drives: '07 Accent SR, '08 Santa Fe Limited	OK easy boys/girls. To help put some of the arguments to rest I'll post some information. I will not get into a "mine is better than yours discussion" I will post facts about fluids and at request will provide links to this data. All of my answers on Lubricants and Filters are based on independently tested facts and not just "I ran this, I saw that words" I've said it before and I'll say it again, Provide me with independently tested facts and than we can have a "mine is better than yours" discussion. So with that here we go. First here's a little public dirt in the eyes of all other oil manufactures. AMSOIL is "The First in Synthetics" and also the first in quality, protection and performance. Every other oil company in the world was given the chance to object when AMSOIL applied for trademark rights to "The First in Synthetics", yet after 90 days of waiting, not a single one objected! The U.S. Patent and Trademark Officials stated that by claiming that AMSOIL was the first historically, that AMSOIL was also insinuating to be the best (or #1/first) from a quality or performance standpoint. AMSOIL showed the government officials comparison documentation and test data backing up the claim that AMSOIL was also the best. After the government officials notified all other oil manufacturers that AMSOIL was claiming to be the best, not a single other oil company or competitor objected! Not a peep from any of them! I can guarantee you that if any of these competitors and major oil companies had a product better than AMSOIL they would have objected. Ok on with the facts. Amsoil vs. Mobil 1 Amsoil vs. 10 other oils. Amsoil air filter information I can list more but as you can see, I'll back up everything I say/post with documented proof. All tests were done by a independent tester and as you will see the Amsoil vs. 10 others Oils it didn't always win every category but did win over all. Now I'm not going to reply to any non-documents replies, becasue that gets us no where. But I will be happy to provide you or anyone with any information you require to read and review before making any choice of what oil you may use. It ultimately comes down to what you like to buy, it is your money after all.

MurfsDad View Member Profile	Nov 3 2007, 07:16 PM Post #15
Full Member Group: Members Posts: 125 Joined: 19-July 07 Member No.: 32,939 Status: Location: New Brunswick Drives: 2007 Hyundai Santa Fe GL 3.3 AWD	QUOTE(Komptek @ Nov 3 2007, 08:59 PM) OK easy boys/girls. To help put some of the arguments to rest I'll post some information. I will not get into a "mine is better than yours discussion" I will post facts about fluids and at request will provide links to this data. All of my answers on Lubricants and Filters are based on independently tested facts and not just "I ran this, I saw that words" I've said it before and I'll say it again, Provide me with independently tested facts and than we can have a "mine is better than yours" discussion. So with that here we go. First here's a little public dirt in the eyes of all other oil manufactures. AMSOIL is "The First in Synthetics" and also the first in quality, protection and performance. Every other oil company in the world was given the chance to object when AMSOIL applied for trademark rights to "The First in Synthetics", yet after 90 days of waiting, not a single one objected! The U.S. Patent and Trademark Officials stated that by claiming that AMSOIL was the first historically, that AMSOIL was also insinuating to be the best (or #1/first) from a quality or performance standpoint. AMSOIL showed the government officials comparison documentation and test data backing up the claim that AMSOIL was also the best. After the government officials notified all other oil manufacturers that AMSOIL was claiming to be the best, not a single other oil company or competitor objected! Not a peep from any of them! I can guarantee you that if any of these competitors and major oil companies had a product better than AMSOIL they would have objected. Ok on with the facts. Amsoil vs. Mobil 1 Amsoil vs. 10 other oils. Amsoil air filter information I can list more but as you can see, I'll back up everything I say/post with documented proof. All tests were done by a independent tester and as you will see the Amsoil vs. 10 others Oils it didn't always win every category but did win over all. Now I'm not going to reply to any non-documents replies, becasue that gets us no where. But I will be happy to provide you or anyone with any information you require to read and review before making any choice of what oil you may use. It ultimately comes down to what you like to buy, it is your money after all. [right][snapback]117127[/snapback][/right] Good rhetoric. But to what end and what has this got to do with the topic, "Cold Air Vs. Short Ram Intake"? Not even a subtle try to hijack a thread and promote a business ... and I'm not even a Moderator. Stewart This post has been edited by MurfsDad: Nov 3 2007, 07:17 PM

madderhatter View Member Profile	Nov 3 2007, 07:38 PM Post #16
Hyundai-Forums Group: Administrator Posts: 3,042 Joined: 2-April 05 From: Tallahassee, Florida Member No.: 6,422 Status: Location: Tallahassee, Florida - USA ! Drives: 2006 Sonata LX (Gracie), 2002 C240 (Gretta)	This topic has definitely strayed off of Cold Air Vs. Short Ram Intake ... to oil ? Keep it on track or it gets locked. Thanks.

duke View Member Profile	Nov 4 2007, 09:12 AM Post #17
Community Advisor Group: Community Advisor Posts: 1,829 Joined: 31-October 04 Member No.: 2,122 Status: Location: Holland Landing, Ontario, Canada Drives: 2007 NF Sonata 2.4L	QUOTE(TOOSLO @ Aug 1 2007, 05:21 AM) i might have this back wards so dont quote me ...lol the short ram helps out low end power and the cold air helps out top end power or visa versa the cai makes alitte more hp but its top end there are some dyon sheets on the web that show this.... [right][snapback]100442[/snapback][/right] Yes, you do have it backwards; :) A long intake runner is desireble for low-end torque, and a shorter one is better for power production at higher RPM's. That is the reason why the XG, JM 2.7, CM 2.7 & 3.3, NF 3.3 and all 3.8 l engines have a by-pass door in the intake manifold (regulated by the ECM), which changes a long intake to a shorter one at higher RPM's for easier and less restrictive airflow into the cylinders.

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