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PHEV and Regular Hybrid Sales Figures

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#1 ·
I thought it would be good to have a thread where we can tally the sales figures for both the PHEV and regular hybrids. I have the total PHEV sales figures. My figures are from Inside EVs - Electric Vehicle News, Reviews, and Reports. They don't break out PHEV Limited vs. PHEV base. It is encouraging to see that sales are ramping up each month.

November 2015 15
December 2015 145
January 2016 175
February 2016 200
March 2016 275

If want comparison numbers, the top three plug in sales for March are:

Tesla Model S 3,990 (Tesla Model X also sold 1,8860)
Volt 1,865
Leaf 1,246

If anyone has sales figures for the regular hybrid, please post.
 
#3 ·
I have located sales figure for the regular Sonata hybrid. All figures are total figures for the year 2015. By far the lead sales leader are the Prius brands. I have also included sales figure for the Optima and Accord hybrids.

The link for the source is copied below.

December 2015 Dashboard

The link above will direct you to the specific hybrid sales for December 2015. The chart also has a tally for the entire 2015 year.

2015 U.S. total hybrid sales: 384,404

2015 U.S. Sonata hybrid sales: 19,908

2015 U.S. Kia Optima hybrid sales: 11,492

2015 Honda Accord hybrid sales: 11,065

2015 Prius liftback sales: 113,829

2015 Prius C sales: 38,484

2015 Prius V sales: 28,000
 
#4 ·
I saw a story today that Honda will be introducing 2017 Honda Accord Hybrid this spring. As you may be aware, Honda did not put out a 2016 Accord hybrid. They decided to transfer production from the United States to Japan and therefore didn't put out a 2016 model. The story I read stated that Honda plans to double production compared to the 2015 model.

It will be interesting to see what sales figure for April will be for the Sonata PHEV. When I purchased my PHEV (last day of January) the closest dealer Concord had only three PHEVs in stock (1 bases and 2 limited). I checked Edmunds and that dealer currently has 6 in stock (5 limited and 1 base). I saw that the inventory for another Hyundai dealer here in the San Francisco Bay Area (Dublin, CA) has inventory of 25. I don't think inventory is uniform however as I saw a couple of other SF Bay Area dealerships have inventory of just 1.
 
#5 ·
The April U.S. sales figures for plug in vehicles has been released. The Hyundai Sonata PHEV sold 250 units. This placed it at number 13 in sales. At number 1 was the Volt with 1,983.

I was at my dealership this last week for my first service. I looked at a PHEV limited they had on the lot. I noticed that they had the $2,000 markup on the window plus an additional $1,500 markup. I asked what the $1,500 markup related to. I was told they had applied some type of special coating on both the exterior and interior of the car. These two markups were also on all the windows of the regular hybrids on the lot as well. These types of markups can't be helping sales.
 
#13 ·
I thought it would be good to have a thread where we can tally the sales figures for both the PHEV and regular hybrids. I have the total PHEV sales figures. My figures are from Inside EVs - Electric Vehicle News, Reviews, and Reports. They don't break out PHEV Limited vs. PHEV base. It is encouraging to see that sales are ramping up each month.

November 2015 15
December 2015 145
January 2016 175
February 2016 200
March 2016 275


April sales were 250 and

May sales were 235

As you can see monthly sales of the Sonata PHEV are stable now at around 250. I had hoped that sales would ramp up but that doesn't look like that will be the case. I would assume that for the 2017 model year, Hyundai would add a couple of improvements (like pass through for rear seats and autonomous braking). Both of these enhancements will be in place for the Kia Optima PHEV when it is released this fall.

In any case, I am curious as to why sales aren't ramping up. Is it that Hyundai isn't interested in selling very many PHEVs right now? Maybe they figure they are taking are taking a loss on each vehicle and are selling as a compliance vehicle only. The fact that it is only offered in only 10 states could be evidence of that. I have not seen any break down on the ratio of PHEV Limited vs. PHEV Base units being sold. Looking at inventory on web sites, it appears that the far more limited models are being stocked compared to the base units. I just hope that Hyundai doesn't follow in the path of Honda who put out its Accord Hybrid PHEV for just a couple of years and then discontinued it in favor of a dedicated plug in to be released in the future.
 
#14 ·
Copied below are the monthly sales figures for the PHEV:

November 2015 15
December 2015 145
January 2016 175
February 2016 200
March 2016 275


April sales were 250 and

May sales were 235

June sales were 225

It is apparent that Hyundai is not ramping up sales. With its sales, it ranks #13 for plug in cars sold in the United States. To compare, Volt sales the most plug in/hybrid cars per month, with 1937 sold in June. Just below Volt was the Ford Fusion Energi which sold 1700.
 
#16 ·
Yes, my impression is that the 2016 Sonata PHEV was going to be a very limited run, which is part of why they were only selling them in the ZEV states. From what I've seen, I think dealers are selling all the cars they are getting in.

It will be interesting if Hyundai produces more of the Sonata PHEV for 2017, particularly if they start shipping them to more states. Of course, the Ioniq will also be released during the 2017 model year -- it will be interesting if the Ioniq PHEV is (at least for the first year) is also restricted to the ZEV states.
 
#17 ·
I thought it would be good to have a thread where we can tally the sales figures for both the PHEV and regular hybrids. I have the total PHEV sales figures. My figures are from Inside EVs - Electric Vehicle News, Reviews, and Reports. They don't break out PHEV Limited vs. PHEV base. It is encouraging to see that sales are ramping up each month.

November 2015 15
December 2015 145
January 2016 175
February 2016 200
March 2016 275


April sales were 250 and

May sales were 235

As you can see monthly sales of the Sonata PHEV are stable now at around 250. I had hoped that sales would ramp up but that doesn't look like that will be the case. I would assume that for the 2017 model year, Hyundai would add a couple of improvements (like pass through for rear seats and autonomous braking). Both of these enhancements will be in place for the Kia Optima PHEV when it is released this fall.

In any case, I am curious as to why sales aren't ramping up. Is it that Hyundai isn't interested in selling very many PHEVs right now? Maybe they figure they are taking are taking a loss on each vehicle and are selling as a compliance vehicle only. The fact that it is only offered in only 10 states could be evidence of that. I have not seen any break down on the ratio of PHEV Limited vs. PHEV Base units being sold. Looking at inventory on web sites, it appears that the far more limited models are being stocked compared to the base units. I just hope that Hyundai doesn't follow in the path of Honda who put out its Accord Hybrid PHEV for just a couple of years and then discontinued it in favor of a dedicated plug in to be released in the future.

Good news! According to "Inside EVs" sales chart, the Sonata PHEV sold a total of 375 for the month of July. Hope this is not a fluke and that this will be the new base line for sales.

Regarding plug in hybrid sales, a new record has now been set by the Volt. It sold 2,406 copies for the month of July. The Volt has now sold a total of 100,000 copies. This is a record as no other plug in car has hit 100,000 sold before.
 
#19 ·
I am new here. This is my first post. I bought a white Limited PHEV from Hyundai of Vacaville a week ago and payed $36.5K out-the-door with all rebates applied. This is about $33.2K without taxes, registration, and fees. I am please with the salespersons (Zak and Corey) but not overly impressed with the dealer. The $4919 FTC makes this a very good deal though the state rebate program has run out of cash so I can't count the $1500, at least not until they fund it.

Very impressive car. We plan on having it at least seven years so resale isn't a big issue.

The reason for my post is a question about Apple Car Play. Has an software upgrade been issued for this yet?
 
#21 ·
Inside EVs - Electric Vehicle News, Reviews, and Reports has released the U.S. plug in sales figures for the month of August.


Unfortunately, July PHEV sales (at 375) were a fluke. For the month of August the Sonata PHEV sales were down to 235. Total sales for the 2016 year now stands at 1,970. It is apparent, at least for now, that Hyundai has no plans to ramp up sales.

The top plug in U.S. sales for the month of August are as follows:

Tesla Model S 3,125
Chevy Volt 2,081
Tesla Model X 1,850
Ford Fusion 1,422
Leaf 1,066

The all time U.S. sales leader for plug in vehicles is the Chevy Volt as it has now sold over 100,000 units. It will be interesting to see if sometime next year the Chevy Bolt and Toyota Prius Prime are able to break into 1,000 plus monthly sales. As I understand both models will be available in all 50 states. The Bolt EV will have a range of over 200 miles and is suppose to sell for less than $35,000 after federal and state rebates. I would think that Toyota should do well with the Prius Prime plug in, with its increased EV range up to 11 miles (doesn't sound great, but double from the old Prius plug in). I think many owners of older Priuses might be interested in the Prime, but the fact that it only has seating for 4 might be a hold back.
 
#22 ·
Inside EVs has released the U.S. EV sales figures for September. EV sales actually hit a record level at 16,974.

Unfortunately, the Sonata PHEV did not play a significant role in this number. September sales for the Sonata PHEV were 260.

Overall, there is good news on the horizon for EV sales. Before the end of the year, Toyota will be releasing the second generation Prius PHEV (branded Prius Prime). Back in 2013 and 2014 when generation 1 Prius PHEV was in production, sales averaged over 1,000 copies per month. Toyota has signaled that it plans to do even better with this version. Other than having only two back seats, the Prius Prime looks attractive. It has a EV range of 25 miles and total range of 640 miles. The battery is a bit smaller than the Sonata PHEV but will still have a federal rebate of $4,500. Charging time is estimated to be 5 hours 30 minutes using 110 and 2 hours 10 minutes using 220. They state they will make the Prime available in all 50 states
by the end of the year. Best news is that they will offer three trim levels of the Prime with the lowest time being available at $27,100. Factoring in the Federal rebate, that would bring down the price to less that 23K.

Inside EVs reports that the Ioniq electric will be rated at 125 MPGE. Its range will be 110 miles and its battery will be 28 KWH. It will be interesting to see at what levels Hyundai will produce the Ioniq electric. I wouldn't be surprised to see it production to be the same as for the Sonata PHEV (about 250 a month).
 
#23 ·
Unfortunately, the Sonata PHEV did not play a significant role in this number. September sales for the Sonata PHEV were 260.
I can confirm sales of PHEV are slow. I just purchased one last week and the dealer had the car on the lot since October 2015. It was sitting on dealer lot for almost an year!!

The car is great. One of the best cars I've had (and I just came from the Genesis), so I am not sure why they don't sell well. Although price is bit steep for a Sonata, with government and Hyundai rebates, it is very affordable.

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#24 ·
InsideEvs has released the U.S. October sales for EVs. The figure for the Sonata PHEV is 255. The grand total sales for 2016 is 2,485. Whereas 10 months of sales have been logged, it is easy to see that the average is right at 250 for each month in 2016. It is apparent that Hyundai does not have any interest in increasing production at this time.

InsideEvs notes that there will 4 additional EVs being sold starting in December. They are:

Chevy Bolt EV
Toyota Prius Prime (PHEV)
Kia Optima PHEV
Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid (PHEV)

These addition models are significant that at least two of them are planned as higher volume, available in 50 states models. The Bolt is expected to have a range of 238. It will be interesting to see if sales of the Bolt will have a negative impact on the Chevy Volt PHEV. It is currently the 2nd best selling EV in the country (18,517).

The Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid (actually a PHEV, but they prefer to brand it simply as a hybrid) is a full size minivan with an electric range of 30 miles.
 
#31 ·
InsideEvs released the sales figures for December EV sales today. With December concluding the 2016 sales, they also provided total 2016 U.S. sales. The total US sales for 2016 for the top 5 EV sellers are listed below:

Tesla Model S 29,421

Chevrolet Volt 24,739

Tesla Model X 18,223

Ford Fusion Enegri 15,938

Nissan Leaf 14,006

Then way down on the list, is the Sonata PHEV at a total of 3,095 for the year. Sales were consistent throughout the year to average just a little over 250 for monthly sales.

The Toyota Prius Prime is off to a good start, selling 1,641 for the month of December (with sales just starting in November).

The Chevrolet Bolt was only released a with a few days left in 2016 but still managed to sell 579. It will be interesting to see if the Volt will continue to be sold in the same numbers in 2017 with the Bolt now available.

No figure was given for the Kia Optima PHEV sales. I don't know if no Optima PHEVs were sold last month or they haven't been reported. It will be interesting to see if Hyundia will still maintain a flow of around 250 Sonata PHEVs each month during 2017 or if production will be more limited with the Optima PHEV being available.
 
#32 ·
InsideEvs has released the US January sales of EVs.

A total of 190 Sonata PHEVs were sold for the month of January.
A total of 40 Kia Optima PHEVs were sold for the month of January.

It should be noted that January is generally the worst month of the year for EVs. This year was different as you had some new product coming on line for January. The sales figures for the top six are listed below:

Volt - 1611
Prius Prime - 1366
Bolt - 1162
Tesla Model S - 900
Leaf - 772
Model X - 750

It should be noted that the Bolt is currently available in only two states (California and Oregon). I believe by September that the Bolt should be available in all 50 states. I have read that generally California and Oregon account for 50% of national EV sales. I think it is encouraging that there are two PHEVs (Volt and Prime) that are showing strong sales.
 
#33 ·
According to insideevs, a total of 295 Sonata PHEVs were sold for the month of March. This compares to 175 in February and 190 in January. This is a good trend and hopefully the Sonata PHEV will hit the 250 monthly average it maintained for 2016.

Sales of the Kia Optima PHEV are much lower. In January only 10 were sold, followed by 61 in February and 70 in March.

Looking at the top of the EV sales chart, it is interesting to see that PHEVs sales are comparable to EV sales. The figures below are for the first quarter of the year (January, February and March combined)

1. Tesla Model S 6,100 (EV)
2. Chevy Volt 5,563 (PHEV)
3. Toyota Prime 4,346 (PHEV)
4. Tesla Model X 4,300 (EV)
5. Nissan Leaf 3,287 (EV)
6. Chevy Bolt 3,092 (EV)

It is interesting that the Chevy Volt is selling much better than the Chevy Bolt. It is also interesting that the Leaf is outselling the Bolt as well. I can understand why someone would prefer a PHEV over an EV due to the range issue. It would appear, however, that sales of the Bolt should be much better than the Leaf considering that the Bolt has a range double that of the Leaf. Maybe the cost factor helps the Leaf compared to the Bolt? I am glad to see that the Toyota Prime is selling well.
 
#34 ·
The Bolt has several things working against it.
1. GM put crummy front seats in the vehicle. My guess is that this is costing them 20 to 33 percent in lost sales.
2. The cost.
3. Nissan is discounting the Leaf very aggressively.
4. Nissan is extending the leases for current owners.
5. Nissan is bring out a new Leaf.
6. Uncertainty about the tax credit.
7. Cheap interior in the Bolt. Bolt is an economy car on a very expensive electric platform.
8. Bolt leases are on the high side.
9. Bolt hasn't been released for sale in all states yet.
 
#36 ·
According to InsideEVs, both the Bolt and Prime as still in short inventory. They point out that once it is fully stocked, the Prime has a good chance of being the best selling EV for the year.
I'm not sure I buy the limited inventory statement for the Bolt. Chevy dealers in California have been sending cars to other dealers in Colorado, Florida and Washington state. If there was an inventory shortage, why wouldn't a dealer sell the car at MSRP in California?

Also, GM is shipping the Bolt to 8 states now. Plus there are at least two more states with Bolts that where transferred from California dealers.
 
#37 ·
The figures below are for the first quarter of the year (January, February and March combined)

1. Tesla Model S 6,100 (EV)
2. Chevy Volt 5,563 (PHEV)
3. Toyota Prime 4,346 (PHEV)
4. Tesla Model X 4,300 (EV)
5. Nissan Leaf 3,287 (EV)
6. Chevy Bolt 3,092 (EV)

First of all, please note that the Sonata PHEV hit the 250 marker for US sales in April. The Sonata PHEV sold 281 copies while the Optima PHEV sold 86 copies.

The figures below are for the January through April time period. For your
reference, the tally for the January - March are above.

1. Volt 7,370 (PHEV)
2. Model S - 7,225 (EV)
3. Prius Prime - 6,165 (PHEV)
4. Model X - 5,015 (EV)
5. Bolt - 4,384 (EV)

There had been some speculation that with the introduction of the Chevy Bolt, that sales for the Chevy Volt would drop. As you can see, that has not been the case. In fact, the Volt is now the top EV seller for the year. Sales for the Prius Prime are still very strong.
 
#39 ·
For the month of May, US sales figures were as follows:

Sonata PHEV: 220
Optima PHEV: 85

A pattern has emerged as Sonata have been tracking closely to the 250 monthly sales that were maintained for 2016. It appears that Optima sales will be maintained below 100 for the forseeable future.

On another front, Hyundai is gradually ramping up sales of the Ioniq EV.

Ioniq EV Monthly Sales

March: 5
April: 19
May: 75

The top five EV/PHEV sales are list below (January - May total sales)

Chevy Volt (PHEV) - 9,187
Tesla Model S (EV) - 8,845
Toyota Prius Prime (PHEV) - 8,073
Tesla Model X (EV) - 6,745
Chevy Bolt (EV) - 5,742

It should be noted that for the month of May, the Toyota Prius Prime topped the sales chart. Prime sales were at 1,908 compared to Volt sales of 1,817.

It should be noted that sales of the Chrysler Pacific Hybrid (PHEV) are ramping up with 205 sales in April and 485 sales in May.
 
#40 · (Edited)
InsideEvs has released US sales figures for June. It should be noted that Hyundai now has two models on the EV sales chart, with the introduction of the Ioniq EV. The sales figure for the first six months of the year for the two Hyundai EV/PHEV models as well as the Kia Optima PHEV are listed below:

TOTAL SALES FIGURES JANUARY THRU JUNE

Hyundai Sonata PHEV 1415
Kia Optima PHEV 390
Hyundai Ioniq EV 157

It should be noted that sales for Ioniq are for only 4 months (March Thru June)

The top five of the EV sales chart is listed below.

TOTAL SALES FIGURES JANUARY THRU JUNE

Tesla Model S EV 11,195
Chevy Volt PHEV 10,932
Toyota Prius Prime PHEV 9,692
Tesla Model X EV 8,945
Chevy Bolt EV 7,592


InsideEvs has annotated its sales chart to reflect the introduction of the Tesla Model 3 EV for the month of July. As I understand, it is anticipated that there will only be a handful of sales will be made during the month of July. This is the announced sales projections:

July - sales start
August - 100 sales
September - 1,500 sales
December - 20,000

For 2018 sales projections are targeted to be up to 400,000.

In any case, it is quite possible that Tesla Model 3 will end up being the number 1 seller for this year. It will also be interesting to see how Tesla Model 3 will impact the sales of other EVs. Will sales of Tesla's other two EV models be impacted? Will the Chevy Bolt sales decline?
 
#41 ·
Inside EVs has released the US EV/PHEV sales for July. All of the sales figures listed below are for the January through July total.

TOP FIVE EV/PHEV SALES (January through July)

1. Tesla Model S EV 12,620
2. Chevy Volt PHEV 12,450
3. Toyota Prius Prime PHEV 11,337
4. Tesla Model X EV 10,595
5. Chevy Bolt EV 9,563

EV/PHEV SALES for Hyundai and Kia (January through July)

Sonata PHEV 1,620
Kia Soul EV 981
Kia Optima PHEV 520
Ioniq EV 200


It should be noted that the Tesla Model 3 was listed on the sales chart for the first time. Total sales (in its first month of sales) is 30. I understand that these first "sales" are actually being made to Tesla employees. By the end of the year, it is projected (or hoped) that monthly sales will be up to 20,000 per month.
 
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