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#21 Old 11-18-2012, 02:52 AM
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The standard for alarms is Viper. The "350 Responder" two-way is probably the most ubiquitous. It's been around for about 8 years. (Sometimes called the 3305v). Things are a little more complicated today with the prevalence of remote start and integration to smartphones.

The next step up (as an alarm only) from the 350 Responder is the 3303v. It has a built-in lithium battery in the remote. The downside is that it costs more to replace the remote, which you'll have to do after 2-4 years because no battery lasts forever.

There are other nice alarms like Autopage. But, they're not as widely used. I liked the 770, but it costs more to replace the remote than the 3303v. (The 770 doesn't even have an internal battery.). That's the peril of going with something less ubiquitous. You may pay more for replacement parts (or find they aren't even available in 2-3 years).

The one thing I don't like about Viper is how they rebrand the same thing under 4 different names. That seems a little scammy. And then they have a gimmicky routine selling exclusively through dealers. You can't get installation instructions because it's only supposed to be installed by an authorized dealer. But, if you look on the internet, there are tons of unauthorized dealers selling Viper alarms.

It seems like Viper is burning both ends of the candle. They (somehow) sell lots of units to unauthorized dealers and then act like the worst thing anyone can do is buy a unit from an unauthorized dealer.

Regarding the car's warranty, that's probably the best reason to have an alarm installed by an authorized dealer. They can defend a dealer's claim. They can also remove the alarm to demonstrate that it's not the source of the problem. (At least, my local Viper dealer said something like this, that it's part of their install warranty.).

I still haven't done an alarm. As much as I dislike what appears to be distasteful Viper practices, I'll probably go with the 350 just because it's safe to stay within the herd.

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Thanks for all that info az! One other thing I'm trying to figure out is whether the alarm systems that have a remote start feature are compatible with M/T. For example, the Viper SmartStart system that uses the smartphone app to remote start, lock/unlock, etc.

Really the only two aftermarket upgrades I'm planning on doing to my car are an alarm with remote start and new speakers w/amp. Again with the speakers, it scares the crap out of me that someone is going to be splicing wires inside of my car. If there was a "no splice" option that made use of existing wiring harnesses and adapters, that would really set my mind at ease, but I don't think such an option exists...

Will probably go talk to someone in my Hyundai service department as well as someone at a local car alarm / car audio store to get more info.
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One other thing I'm trying to figure out is whether the alarm systems that have a remote start feature are compatible with M/T.
I don't know if MT is compatible. But, you'll need to stress to *everyone* you talk to that the Accent doesn't have an immbolizer (chipped key). The first thing all these Alarm shops do is go to a website to see if the Accent has a chipped key and whether a "bypass" module is available yet. Because Accent comes with an immobilizer in places like Canada, the web site says "yes" and "no," there is no bypass. I usually found myself arguing with people as they insisted a bypass model was necessary, and I would tell them "trust me, I know all about this... there is no immobilizer in my car. I've looked."

You should prepare yourself for the same thing. They may use an interface module to make it easier to interface to the door locks, tachometer, clutch-depress sensor, etc. But, don't let them tell you remote start is unavailable because a "transponder bypass" isn't available yet.

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Again with the speakers, it scares the crap out of me that someone is going to be splicing wires inside of my car. If there was a "no splice" option
Google for "posi-lock and posi-tap connectors." They splice into existing wires without having to cut wires. You can unsplice the wires without any consequence. I don't know if I'd use these for critical applications like an alarm. But, for speakers I'd probably do it (unless I was an audiophile who obsessed about perfect sound quality, and how cheap spices might introduce impedance, etc.).

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Will probably go talk to someone in my Hyundai service department as well as someone at a local car alarm / car audio store to get more info.
You may have to take the dealership's response with a grain of salt. They want to keep everything simple for themselves. There is an act of Congress (Ross-Magnuson?) which limits how far dealers can deny warranty coverage over simple things like replacing radio and speakers. The alarm/audio people know all about this. They're the ones who you should pressure into a written guarantee that they back their installation. For example, that it can be "undone" to prove to a dealership the installed equipment isn't causing a problem. The Viper install place I spoke with seemed to be very familiar with all this and said dealers normally back down once the installer talks to them about the install, and how the dealer is full of ****. I think the authorized installers are "certified" in some way, which carries some weight with dealerships. That's something to talk to the audio/alarm shops about.

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The Accent comes with a factory installed immobilizer system. It does not have an alarm/chime function though. Do you guys get flippy keys? All the Accents here come with flippy keys and they have RFID chips embedded in them. Not that its important. My mitsubishi does not have a flippy key, but the RFID chip is embedded within the regular key.

If you really want to test it, have somebody make you a key using a blank and try starting the car. It wont turn over.

And about the alarm/chime. Hyundai has launched an OEM module which lets you add this function. Its a plug and play device that hooks on to the existing system. Open a door, boot or hood and the alarm will sound.

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My understanding is that the keys are chipped, but there is no alarm. An alarm might protect some of your belongings, but it won't stop the car from being stolen. A car with even the best alarms can be started without a key in about 2 minutes.
And don't ever tar those posi lock things. Those are for testing, not installations.
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Not all countries are the same. Canadians (and Australians?) get immobilizers. Evidently Indians get alarms too. Mexicans get an alarm but no immobilizer(?). In the US, we get nothing.

Also, the best immobilizer (if the car doesn't come with the real thing) is a well-designed kill switch. One that interrupts a circuit somewhere the thief wouldn't look. And, that is located somewhere difficult to find. And, the wiring blends into the the factory wiring.

Alarms come with a starter kill, but that's so well known that they're easily defeated.

Security's about layers. An alarm can deter a thief. The alarm's starter kill can add to a thief's frustration (as he thinks "aha, nieve fool, I can start this in 2 minutes... and then finds it still won't start due to another kill switch he's not aware of.). Locking lug nuts in addition to an alarm's tilt sensor. (Neither alone are perfect, but together they make it unprofitable.).

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in Mexico Chrysler installed an alarm system in receiving Port is not a Hunday alarm EOM . is like aftermarket alarm system buuuuuuuuuu!!!!

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