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#1 Old 10-13-2011, 11:15 PM
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Questions about Shiftronic

Maybe I missed something, but the owner's manual seems to be woefully inadequate concerning the Shiftronic.

I browsed a Genesis forum today and someone said that you really only understand Shiftronic if you've driven a manual. Well, I have, and I don't. A manual has 6 gears with specific gates (7 if you include Reverse). The Shiftronic only has a + and -.

One of those people said he almost never drives in Auto. He's always in Sport mode. So how do you do it? How do you go from first to second to third...etc.? Start in +, then move to D, then back to +, then back to D? Or is there a middle ground between the + and - where you can hang out while you want to stay in that gear?

If you're in Drive, and you want to pass a car by downshifting one or two gears, do you hit the - and then go back to D? Or stay at the - until you need to upshift, and then go to +?

This is more confusing to me than a manual, because a manual isn't confusing at all. And shifting without a clutch really bothers me...

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The simplest answer I can give is it's basically like driving a manual transmission without the clutch pedal. From a stop with shiftronic engaged, you will be in first gear. You accelerate a little, just like a manual, then bump up the shifter to + and it will shift to second gear. It's as easy as that. The car will downshift for you as you slow to a stop to prevent the engine from stalling. But, other than that, it's all under your control. The only reason I see to use it is to forcibly red line the engine. I use it very occasionally if I'm stopped at an intersection and am about to turn onto a road where the cars are traveling very fast and I need to get up to speed quickly. But as for driving in shiftronic all the time because you think you know better than the car, you're probably wrong. It's just for of a fun factor I think.

Yes, you can downshift one or two gears by switching over to shiftronic and doing it manually, but the same thing will happen if you step on the accelerator hard enough with it in drive. Whatever makes you happy.

The transmission will stay in its current gear if you leave the shifter in the middle. It's only momentary up or down that shifts.
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When the lever is moved to the right from D over to the ShifTronic gate, you move the lever forward to upshift and rearward to downshift. As was mentioned above, the car will downshift automatically if you forget to downshift while slowing. If you do come to a stop and leave the lever in place instead of moving it back to (D), the car will start in first gear (from a stop) and stay in first gear until redline.

Tip - According to the owners manual, you can use ShifTronic while stopped and bump the lever forward so the display in the dash cluster says 2, and you can start off in second gear. This is intended to allow startup on slick surfaces with less wheelspin.

As a manual-trans driver, you're used to being able to select any forward gear by just moving the lever forward/rearward and side to side. Any M/T driver can shift first to sixth if they wanted to stall the engine, and they could shift from sixth to first and cause engine damage. What ShifTronic does is allow the driver to request an upshift or downshift by nudging the lever toward the + or the - position. The result is linear shifting 1->2, 2->3 etc going up, and 3->2, 2->1 etc going down. There is no way to skip shift. While a true manual takes skill due to the clutch application and the chance of damage or stalling if the wrong gear is selected, ShifTronic accepts "requests" to shift up or down, but will ignore requests that would lug the engine or exceed the redline. For example, you can bump the lever forward while driving at 30mph to try to get to 6th gear, but it will go to 5th and refuse to upshift from there until speed is over 40. At 50mph, pulling the lever backward repeatedly will only select the gear that keeps the engine under the red zone - it won't go to 1st.
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I think you over complicating this its definitely easier than driving stick and when you get tired of it you can bump back into D from any gear and let the car take over. I was not aware that it auto downshifted but have only used mine a few times. Maybe tomorrow morning I will experiment with mine a bit if traffic is light.

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So it sounds like there's a middle zone between the + and - where you can stay in the current gear, barring any stupidity.

I think the car does a great job of choosing the gear (not to mention I can barely feel the shifts), so I wouldn't be using this often. I thought it was strange that that one guy used it all the time. Must have really been missing his M/T. But there have been a couple times where I wanted to try it. There's an uphill cloverleaf entrance ramp where sometimes the car is a little slow to downshift and I need to pick up speed. Also, when I want to pass someone in front of me rather suddenly, it could be helpful.

I'm still driving gently--just passed 400 miles--so I'm not even completely aware of what this car is capable of. That's kind of my norm, but I do like to know what is possible in a pinch, or even an emergency. I'll start experimenting soon.

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I also do feel that the transmission is one of the smoothest that I've driven. The shift points and transitions are pretty well balanced. As for me, it's very rarely that I use the shiftronic feature. In fact I can say right out that I forget about it as much as I forget that I breathe air.

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There's an uphill cloverleaf entrance ramp where sometimes the car is a little slow to downshift and I need to pick up speed. Also, when I want to pass someone in front of me rather suddenly, it could be helpful.
When you find yourself using manual mode because a 0.3-second downshift delay is just too darn long, you know you're headed for trouble. I went tearing around an on-ramp in manual mode the other day, and when I pinned it on the curve I actually managed to engage the ESC. Oops. Dead gas pedal and a flickering dashboard light is not what you want to see just as you're merging in front of a truck.

I find manual mode most useful for controlling speed on long downhill descents. The rest of the time it's just a toy for 44-year-old teenagers.
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When you find yourself using manual mode because a 0.3-second downshift delay is just too darn long, you know you're headed for trouble. I went tearing around an on-ramp in manual mode the other day, and when I pinned it on the curve I actually managed to engage the ESC. Oops. Dead gas pedal and a flickering dashboard light is not what you want to see just as you're merging in front of a truck.

I find manual mode most useful for controlling speed on long downhill descents. The rest of the time it's just a toy for 44-year-old teenagers.
LOL! Well I think the hesitation I feel is more me than the car. I'm still in that break-in period and just won't step on the gas. In another couple hundred miles I think it will respond as needed when I'm a little more aggressive with the throttle. I'd prefer to avoid the "manual" mode, but had been wondering if there was some benefit to using it at specific times. I do remember one reviewer having more fun with the Shiftronic than they did with the stick. Can't imagine that!

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Because this car wants to always be in the highest gear possible regardless of mode I find supplimental use of the Shiftronic to be very useful under a variety of circumstances, mainly for the downshift ability and I do not find stomping the gas pedal and letting the car do it automatically to be anywhere near the same as manually doing it.

Example: I'm traveling in the middle lane on the highway doing 65ish, I suddenly start coming up on a car several lengths ahead that for some unknown reason finds it desirable to drive in this same lane doing 55 and making impatient drivers pass him on the right instead of simply moving over to the right himself. I have numerous cars passing us on the left doing anywhere from 70-85 mph with few openings and I am determined to properly pass on the left. If I decide to wait for my opening and then stomp the pedal the car will rev very high rpm's in 6th before it decides to downshift to a more apropriate gear, it sounds horrible and is a waste of energy. If instead I move over to the shiftronic in the middle zone where I stay in gear and the D on the dash changes to the number 6, wait for my opening and then tap it down twice to 4th, my speed and rpms adjust in tandem giving me a steady and normal sounding rate of acceleration instead and is far more efficient IMHO. Once I have reached my speed, passed the car or whatever I simply move it back to drive (as opposed to manually shifting up) and the car automatically goes back to 6th on it's own.

I also find it useful to downshift a little some times when I want to scrub off a little bit of speed and don't want to hit my brakes instead. Far to many people on the highway seemingly ride their brakes because they drive too close to the car in front of them or maybe dangerously keep their left foot on it at all times I don't know but the brake lights seem to come on far more often they need to or than anyone is actually slowing down and the domino effect it causes down the lane for miles makes everyones ride longer than it needs to be, when I see that I often downshift instead and make the wave effect stop with the car in front of me rather than continue down the line.

As previously mentioned I have also found starting in second on a wet and/or inclined surface to be handy and will likely do this more often in the winter months to come since after the drive gear there is no L or 2 or 1 to choose like many older style automatics without shiftronic used to offer.

One thing I found different about this system compared to others though, if you are using cruise control and move to manual it will shut off. I rented an Impala last year with paddle shifters on the wheel and they could be used at any point without shifting out of drive and the cruise control remained engaged. Since this was a rental car I found it very fun to set the cruise on a hilly windy road and negotiate the curves with downshifting instead of the brakes. I would never do this in my own car of course but I also wouldn't do 180 reversal spins or pull the hand brake to drift or any of the other fun things rentals are fun to beat on with.

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I do remember one reviewer having more fun with the Shiftronic than they did with the stick. Can't imagine that!
Sometimes I think this is just automotive political correctness more than anything else. While it is acceptable (even mandatory) to praise Hyundai's new 6-speed automatic in a review, it is not acceptable to praise Hyundai clutches or shifters. We must save that honour for Honda... it's all they have left.
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