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Considering ditching the all-seasons for summer tires

So I've lived in Texas for a decade now. The prior 40 years of my life were in the NJ / NYC area. With every vehicle I owned living there, from my fwd 86 Jetta Coupe, to my rwd 83 Mercedes 300D and 300SD, as well as my awd 2003 Passat W8, I used dedicated summer tires on the "nice" wheels, and snow tires on winter wheels. Haven't been doing that since I lived here. While chatting about tires, a good friend pointed out: "You live in Texas. How much and how often do you actually get inclement weather to even worry about all-seasons or have another dedicated set for winter?" And I thought she was exactly right. Sure we get cold temperatures and the occasional bit of frozen precipitation, but as she said, not often and not for long. We got a 1/4" inch of sleet & freezing one day this winter. I don't need tires yet but out of boredom, I went back and forth to Tire Rack and Discount Tire's sites to look. So since I'm a lunatic lol, I always consider unsprung weight when I get wheels and tires. It seems Hyundai and Kia did a decent job with my car and the Forte5 with tire weight. My Hankook Ventus Si Noble 2s are among the lightest in their size at 23 lbs.My new wheels are 21 lbs so that's 44 lbs at each corner. A pound or two in either direction will make a difference in mpg. So here's where I'm at.

Stock size 235/45R18. Overall diameter 26.3"
Bridgestone Potenza S-04 Pole Position. UTQG - 280 AA A - I've used Bridgestones in the past and always liked them. Of course a 280 treadwear rating means I'll be lucky to get 30K out of them but that's the compromise with summer tires. What would keep me from buying them is the weight. They're 27lbs each - 4 pounds heavier than what's on there. That will easily make for a 2-3 mpg drop.

Pirelli P Zero. UTQG 300 AA A. I never used Pirellis. I just never felt they as well as Michelin worth the $50-$100 more per tire they cost. They have a lot of favorable reviews and are one pound lighter than whats on the car now. Might see a slight bump on mpg. P Zero Nero GT is new so no UTQG rating listed yet but are 25lbs.

Michelin Pilot Super Sport. UTQG 300 AA A. Listed at a "closeout price" of $224 which is $70 more than the Bridgestones and $30 more than the Pirellis. I assume there is a replacement about to be launched. 23 lbs each.

BFGoodrich g-Force Sport Comp 2. UTQG 340 AA A. I've used BFGs in the past and like them. 26lbs though.

These are pretty much my only options in the stock size and I don't want to go up to 19s. So If I look at 245/40R18, there's a lot more choices.Overall diameter is 25.7" so keep closer to the OE overall diameter, I'd have to consider 255/40R18 at 26.0" and probably have to get wider wheels. So if I stick with my OCD about unsprung weight lol, the Pirelli P Zero would be my choice in the OE size. Or consider whatever Michelin replacement comes to market if it's the same weight. If I stick to all-seasons, then I'll go with my tried and true Yokohama Advan Sport A/S - UTQG 440 AA A.

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Lol,I just think you like to buy tires and own stock at Tire Rack...

We keep the all season tires on all year round here,but,we do not drive it in snow. If I lived in a state further south,sure,I would get rid of them,why not?
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We do get rain, however. Look at the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S3. Handle fantastic wet and dry.
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Might do it on the Forte5 as well and sooner than later. The OE Nexens were ridiing ok but now at 10K wearing evenly and rotated twice, they're getting loud. The Continental ExtremeContact Sport. At 19 lbs, they're a pound lighter than the Nexens.

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So I've lived in Texas for a decade now. The prior 40 years of my life were in the NJ / NYC area. With every vehicle I owned living there, from my fwd 86 Jetta Coupe, to my rwd 83 Mercedes 300D and 300SD, as well as my awd 2003 Passat W8, I used dedicated summer tires on the "nice" wheels, and snow tires on winter wheels. Haven't been doing that since I lived here. While chatting about tires, a good friend pointed out: "You live in Texas. How much and how often do you actually get inclement weather to even worry about all-seasons or have another dedicated set for winter?" And I thought she was exactly right. Sure we get cold temperatures and the occasional bit of frozen precipitation, but as she said, not often and not for long. We got a 1/4" inch of sleet & freezing one day this winter. I don't need tires yet but out of boredom, I went back and forth to Tire Rack and Discount Tire's sites to look. So since I'm a lunatic lol, I always consider unsprung weight when I get wheels and tires. It seems Hyundai and Kia did a decent job with my car and the Forte5 with tire weight. My Hankook Ventus Si Noble 2s are among the lightest in their size at 23 lbs.My new wheels are 21 lbs so that's 44 lbs at each corner. A pound or two in either direction will make a difference in mpg. So here's where I'm at.

Stock size 235/45R18. Overall diameter 26.3"
Bridgestone Potenza S-04 Pole Position. UTQG - 280 AA A - I've used Bridgestones in the past and always liked them. Of course a 280 treadwear rating means I'll be lucky to get 30K out of them but that's the compromise with summer tires. What would keep me from buying them is the weight. They're 27lbs each - 4 pounds heavier than what's on there. That will easily make for a 2-3 mpg drop.

Pirelli P Zero. UTQG 300 AA A. I never used Pirellis. I just never felt they as well as Michelin worth the $50-$100 more per tire they cost. They have a lot of favorable reviews and are one pound lighter than whats on the car now. Might see a slight bump on mpg. P Zero Nero GT is new so no UTQG rating listed yet but are 25lbs.

Michelin Pilot Super Sport. UTQG 300 AA A. Listed at a "closeout price" of $224 which is $70 more than the Bridgestones and $30 more than the Pirellis. I assume there is a replacement about to be launched. 23 lbs each.

BFGoodrich g-Force Sport Comp 2. UTQG 340 AA A. I've used BFGs in the past and like them. 26lbs though.

These are pretty much my only options in the stock size and I don't want to go up to 19s. So If I look at 245/40R18, there's a lot more choices.Overall diameter is 25.7" so keep closer to the OE overall diameter, I'd have to consider 255/40R18 at 26.0" and probably have to get wider wheels. So if I stick with my OCD about unsprung weight lol, the Pirelli P Zero would be my choice in the OE size. Or consider whatever Michelin replacement comes to market if it's the same weight. If I stick to all-seasons, then I'll go with my tried and true Yokohama Advan Sport A/S - UTQG 440 AA A.
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I put these on my Scion. I also went from 45 to 50 AR. The 45's were bone-jarring. Doing that I lost some performance. I can only go 65 in 45 mile per hour zones instead of 70...

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And the one big side effect...QUIET!! I have NEVER had a tire this quiet before. And a nice ride besides.

We were talking in another tire thread and someone else put them on and noticed the silence...

I only drive the car in the summer, so I have no idea about cold weather. wet weather has no effect on them. It is an all season but rides like a summer tire.

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Add: I don't buy expensive tires anyway. I used to have Pirellis and Michelins (XZX...let's see if anyone remember those. GREAT tire.) but I have found I can get just as good wear and handling from less expensive tires. Uh, just stay away from Delta unless it;s a $200 car...funny, first set of Deltas I had were great...noisy, but good.

I have Firestones for the winter on the Accent and Generals for the summer. The General is a good tire, handles well, but not real quiet. The Sumitomos are the quietest I have ever had.

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1 - I tend to drive with some alacrity lol.
2 - I take posted off/on-ramp speeds as suggestions lol.
3 - Summer tires will grip better in wet and dry compared to all seasons.
4 - As I stated about Pirelli and Michelin, I never thought they offered so much more for the price premiums. I've never used Pirelli. My experience comes from managing tire & repair shops as well as being a service advisor. I had personal experience with two sets of Michelins. First were the ones on my 86 Jetta Coupe. Took them off with 12,000 miles after hydroplaning at low speeds towards a concrete barrier. In 2003, the Pilot HX MXM4s came on my Passat W8. Removed them after 2 weeks for Dunlop Sport 9000s.

We had Firestone WinterForce snows on the 96 Cavalier beater back in NJ. Great tire and lasted forever. Also used Generals. The Altimax HP was a decent all season. Quiet ride and pretty good in foul weather. They were discontinued and replaced with the G Max. Great all season tire that gripped well in wet or dry but HORRIBLY noisy. From day one with them the car sounded like it had 4 bad wheel bearings. Sold them with 10K and mounted the Yokohama Advan Sport A/S. Great tire and probably the only all-season tire I'd ever consider again. I had 3 sets of Yokohamas on previous vehicles and always had good luck with them.

For all season on comparison on Tire Rack:
Advan Sport A/S UTQG 440 AA A. 24lbs $ 146.45 each with 4 stars on the reviews.
Pilot Sport A/S 3 UTQG 500 AA A 26lbs $ 186.81 each. Only a few ratings up so far with the "new" ones ranging from 3.5 to 5 stars.

So with maybe similar ratings, they are $40 more per tire and would expect a mpg penalty being 2 pounds heavier than the Yokos. They will most likely cost more over the life of the tires between the initial cost and mpg loss for what might be a slightly better tire. I think mileage ratings are subjective for the most part because maintenance factors like air pressure, frequency of rotation, alignment, etc have a great effect on tire life.

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I replaced the stock Hankook Optimo tires on my 2013 SE (18") with Pirelli Cinturato P7 after going through 6 tires in 27,000 miles. The Pirelli's stayed on the car until I traded it in 26,000 miles later. Super quiet and smooth, very even tread wear.

My old Sonata had 3 scratched wheels thanks to the Hankook tires losing traction with so much as a dusting of snow on the road. The Pirelli tires got me through a rather large (for Eastern PA) 18" snow storm without issue.
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1 - I tend to drive with some alacrity lol.
2 - I take posted off/on-ramp speeds as suggestions lol.
3 - Summer tires will grip better in wet and dry compared to all seasons.
4 - As I stated about Pirelli and Michelin, I never thought they offered so much more for the price premiums. I've never used Pirelli. My experience comes from managing tire & repair shops as well as being a service advisor. I had personal experience with two sets of Michelins. First were the ones on my 86 Jetta Coupe. Took them off with 12,000 miles after hydroplaning at low speeds towards a concrete barrier. In 2003, the Pilot HX MXM4s came on my Passat W8. Removed them after 2 weeks for Dunlop Sport 9000s.

We had Firestone WinterForce snows on the 96 Cavalier beater back in NJ. Great tire and lasted forever. Also used Generals. The Altimax HP was a decent all season. Quiet ride and pretty good in foul weather. They were discontinued and replaced with the G Max. Great all season tire that gripped well in wet or dry but HORRIBLY noisy. From day one with them the car sounded like it had 4 bad wheel bearings. Sold them with 10K and mounted the Yokohama Advan Sport A/S. Great tire and probably the only all-season tire I'd ever consider again. I had 3 sets of Yokohamas on previous vehicles and always had good luck with them.

For all season on comparison on Tire Rack:
Advan Sport A/S UTQG 440 AA A. 24lbs $ 146.45 each with 4 stars on the reviews.
Pilot Sport A/S 3 UTQG 500 AA A 26lbs $ 186.81 each. Only a few ratings up so far with the "new" ones ranging from 3.5 to 5 stars.

So with maybe similar ratings, they are $40 more per tire and would expect a mpg penalty being 2 pounds heavier than the Yokos. They will most likely cost more over the life of the tires between the initial cost and mpg loss for what might be a slightly better tire. I think mileage ratings are subjective for the most part because maintenance factors like air pressure, frequency of rotation, alignment, etc have a great effect on tire life.

So this is your review on TireRack?? LOL!

Tire:Yokohama ADVAN Sport A/SUltra High Performance All-Season
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4.5

  • Miles Driven on Tires:
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    Location:
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    Driving Style:
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Follow-up Review:
15,000 Miles on Tires
October 01, 2016
We traded the car in a few weeks ago for a loaded 2016 Forte5 EX. The 2012 was traded as is with all I added to it. Projector headlights with HID kit, LED marker/signal lights, aftermarket wheels and these Yokohamas with about 15,000 miles on them. I'm a semi-retired mechanic so whoever buys this car off our dealer's used car lot, will have an immaculately looked after vehicle with 82,000 care free miles. And these Yokohamas look to go AT LEAST another 30,000 miles if they're looked after. Odds are high that once the tires on the 2016 Forte5 and my 2015 Sonata Sport 2.0T Limited wear out, these are the tires I will replace them with. If I had the time at trade in, I'd have swapped the wheels & Yokos off the 2012 and put them on the 2016.
Follow-up Review:
12,500 Miles on Tires
July 20, 2016
12,000+ on them now. Still measuring 8.5/32nds. Rotated twice. Still quiet, responsive and great in wet weather. Alignment is spot on and they're wearing perfectly evenly.
Follow-up Review:
2,500 Miles on Tires
February 09, 2016
We have 2500+ miles on these now and I stand by my initial review. The car is transformed. I still can't comment on ice/snow traction as we haven't had any yet, I have low expectations for any tire short of a dedicated snow tire for those conditions amyway. When I add a new/CPO car to the driveway in a few months. I'll be swapping whatever tire is on it for these.



Initial Review:
500 Miles on Tires
December 29, 2015
I wrote a review December 2014 about the General G-Max AS-03 I just removed. Great handling tire. Decent ride comfort. HORRIBLY NOISY. Car sounds like it has four bad wheel bearings. I sold them within 30 minutes to a kid in a Civic Si with a fart can exhaust so he'll never notice the noise. He was just grateful that the tread was like new after 12,000 miles compared to what he was driving on. THANK YOU YOKOHAMA FOR BLESSING OUR EARS WITH QUIET !!!! Only a couple of hundred miles on them so far but I've used Yoko's in the past. Within 30 seconds of driving away from the install, the car was NOTABLY quieter. Ok it's a Kia so not immensely insulated (Dyno-Mat is a spring project in the wait) plus leather interior but it was immediately nice to drive. Even the spouse noticed I've chucked the car around a bit but will take my usual "fun" route once they have another couple of miles on them. Turn in is great. Impact harshness better than the G-max but to be fair, the G-Max is an X L (extra load) tire. Did a full on ABS 70-0 stop and they grip. I'll update in a few months but I'm sure I'll still be loving them.



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Tire:Yokohama ADVAN Sport A/SUltra High Performance All-Season
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  • Miles Driven on Tires:
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Follow-up Review:
15,000 Miles on Tires
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We traded the car in a few weeks ago for a loaded 2016 Forte5 EX. The 2012 was traded as is with all I added to it. Projector headlights with HID kit, LED marker/signal lights, aftermarket wheels and these Yokohamas with about 15,000 miles on them. I'm a semi-retired mechanic so whoever buys this car off our dealer's used car lot, will have an immaculately looked after vehicle with 82,000 care free miles. And these Yokohamas look to go AT LEAST another 30,000 miles if they're looked after. Odds are high that once the tires on the 2016 Forte5 and my 2015 Sonata Sport 2.0T Limited wear out, these are the tires I will replace them with. If I had the time at trade in, I'd have swapped the wheels & Yokos off the 2012 and put them on the 2016.
Follow-up Review:
12,500 Miles on Tires
July 20, 2016
12,000+ on them now. Still measuring 8.5/32nds. Rotated twice. Still quiet, responsive and great in wet weather. Alignment is spot on and they're wearing perfectly evenly.
Follow-up Review:
2,500 Miles on Tires
February 09, 2016
We have 2500+ miles on these now and I stand by my initial review. The car is transformed. I still can't comment on ice/snow traction as we haven't had any yet, I have low expectations for any tire short of a dedicated snow tire for those conditions amyway. When I add a new/CPO car to the driveway in a few months. I'll be swapping whatever tire is on it for these.



Initial Review:
500 Miles on Tires
December 29, 2015
I wrote a review December 2014 about the General G-Max AS-03 I just removed. Great handling tire. Decent ride comfort. HORRIBLY NOISY. Car sounds like it has four bad wheel bearings. I sold them within 30 minutes to a kid in a Civic Si with a fart can exhaust so he'll never notice the noise. He was just grateful that the tread was like new after 12,000 miles compared to what he was driving on. THANK YOU YOKOHAMA FOR BLESSING OUR EARS WITH QUIET !!!! Only a couple of hundred miles on them so far but I've used Yoko's in the past. Within 30 seconds of driving away from the install, the car was NOTABLY quieter. Ok it's a Kia so not immensely insulated (Dyno-Mat is a spring project in the wait) plus leather interior but it was immediately nice to drive. Even the spouse noticed I've chucked the car around a bit but will take my usual "fun" route once they have another couple of miles on them. Turn in is great. Impact harshness better than the G-max but to be fair, the G-Max is an X L (extra load) tire. Did a full on ABS 70-0 stop and they grip. I'll update in a few months but I'm sure I'll still be loving them.



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