Price On 2007 Azera, Did I overpay for it? Options

[max1234]

2007 Azera Limited, 35000 miles - bought it at $12,980 in Houston, Tx.
Good Deal?

[david-paul-1]

2007 Azera Limited, 35000 miles - bought it at $12,980 in Houston, Tx.
Good Deal?

Max,

Obviously, you already know you did well, assuming the vehicle is in good condition with good rubber.

Normal price would be $13,690.

Even though you lost the Hyundai 10 year, 100,000 mile drive train train warranty, at least you have the remainder of the 5yr/60,000 mile warranty.

Hopefully, your front struts have been replaced recently, if not, do so asap. Otherwise, you will be SOL in another 1,000 miles. These cars tend to bounce and porpoise worse than the animals at Sea World.

Some folks here seem to have good luck with the front end but most do not. Personally, I think those particular people that have no complaints, don't know what a vehicle is really supposed to feel like. Typically, the struts need to be replaced every 5,000 to 7,000 miles. Speaking from experience.

The Azera is a fantastic car with the exception of the front end weakness, cracking dash, pealing steering wheel, failing rear sun shade, and a few other things. If you don't have the Ultimate option, a few of these things will have no affect on you.

Remember, the Azera was Hyundai's first attempt to enter the lower end luxury market. They almost got it right, with the exception of some inconveniences to the buyer. If you continue to own an Azera, those inconveniences will continue also.

The Genesis, although considerably more expensive, was done totally right with few exceptions.

By the way, I am a true fan of the Hyundai products but understand that one must be very careful what to buy and when to buy it.

David <><

This post has been edited by david-paul-1: Jul 23 2009, 09:22 PM

[rminor]

"I think those particular people that have no complaints, don't know what a vehicle is really supposed to feel like. Typically, the struts need to be replaced every 5,000 to 7,000 miles. Speaking from experience."
I'm one of those people. '09 Azera. Maybe I should record from in the car as I drive down the potholed road that leads to our sub. Never heard the "clunk". There are a few roads around here that intersect with another road that's at a higher level. I've hit that a few times with the light green, 55 speed limit, and it's bounced pretty high but only once. 38000 miles so I should be on my 6-7th set of struts per you, the expert. I'll just keep on being deaf, dumb, and happy.

[andyman32]

It is a valid question - and I do wonder. The folks who end up being very disappointed with the Azera's suspension (ride, handling & noise) - what kind of cars do they come from, vs. those who don't have (or perceive) any problem with theirs?

I wonder if the folks who tend to be more disappointed are those who typically buy new cars every few years and have recently owned new cars, and those who are satisfied are typically those who come from used cars. You know? "Standard setting". Maybe there isn't any correlation there.

[Gamle-ged]

"I think those particular people that have no complaints, don't know what a vehicle is really supposed to feel like. Typically, the struts need to be replaced every 5,000 to 7,000 miles. Speaking from experience."
I'm one of those people. '09 Azera. Maybe I should record from in the car as I drive down the potholed road that leads to our sub. Never heard the "clunk". There are a few roads around here that intersect with another road that's at a higher level. I've hit that a few times with the light green, 55 speed limit, and it's bounced pretty high but only once. 38000 miles so I should be on my 6-7th set of struts per you, the expert. I'll just keep on being deaf, dumb, and happy.

From another owner (2006 Limited bought new), just so you don't feel lonely...

HAPPY-HAPPY-JOY-JOY... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/banana.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/banana.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/banana.gif)

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[andyman32]

I'm one of those people. '09 Azera. Maybe I should record from in the car as I drive down the potholed road that leads to our sub. Never heard the "clunk". There are a few roads around here that intersect with another road that's at a higher level. I've hit that a few times with the light green, 55 speed limit, and it's bounced pretty high but only once. 38000 miles so I should be on my 6-7th set of struts per you, the expert. I'll just keep on being deaf, dumb, and happy.

Wow, I just realized what you said... you have 38k miles on an '09 Azera? The thing can't be more than 10 or 11 months old! Do you set aside any time for eating, or sleeping? Or do you and a few buddies just tag-team shifts driving the Azera at 80mph back and forth across the country, 24x7, for weeks on end? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grin.gif)

Anyway, gamle, nobody is saying you SHOULDN'T like your Azera. Or, at least, *I'm* not saying that. Maybe david-paul & campoly are, I don't know. If you haven't had any issues at all, then more power to you - honestly, if you haven't had issues, then you SHOULD enjoy a car like this, we ALL should. I am myself STILL one of the unpopular few who think the cars' ride and handling are very nice and enjoyable, quiet and solid. And I think we ALL agree that the powertrain (with the exception of a few burps from the transmission) is very, very nice, powerful, smooth, incredibly refined and by all appearances a long-lasting thoroughbred motor. Build quality is part of my beef. Splash guard falls off my dad's at highway speed. Dash cracks on BOTH of mine. And then you go to the dealership and they find a way, without fail, to make you seriously regret having bought a Hyundai, and make you not want to have to deal with them ever again.

If you haven't had many/any warranty issues with your Az yet, or if you are one of the 5 or 6 Hyundai owners on the planet who have a great dealership, then you have not yet experienced what the great masses of Hyundai owners have experienced to make them say, "Enough is enough."

No need to be defensive; I'm claiming what I'm claiming, I'm not claiming what I'm not claiming. And I still defy you to find a 1-year-old BMW, Jaguar, Acura or Lexus with suspension crapping out and dashboard vinyl pulling itself apart. And while one Lexus service rep at a dealership in San Diego might have had a bad day two years ago, right after a bad break up with his girlfriend, and may have been rather surly with some of the customers who brought in their cars for minor complaints that day, I also defy you to find consistently poor customer service at a Lexus, Acura or Jaguar dealership.

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[rminor]

Wow, I just realized what you said... you have 38k miles on an '09 Azera? The thing can't be more than 10 or 11 months old! Do you set aside any time for eating, or sleeping? Or do you and a few buddies just tag-team shifts driving the Azera at 80mph back and forth across the country, 24x7, for weeks on end? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grin.gif)

Anyway, gamle, nobody is saying you SHOULDN'T like your Azera. Or, at least, *I'm* not saying that. Maybe david-paul & campoly are, I don't know. If you haven't had any issues at all, then more power to you - honestly, if you haven't had issues, then you SHOULD enjoy a car like this, we ALL should. I am myself STILL one of the unpopular few who think the cars' ride and handling are very nice and enjoyable, quiet and solid. And I think we ALL agree that the powertrain (with the exception of a few burps from the transmission) is very, very nice, powerful, smooth, incredibly refined and by all appearances a long-lasting thoroughbred motor. Build quality is part of my beef. Splash guard falls off my dad's at highway speed. Dash cracks on BOTH of mine. And then you go to the dealership and they find a way, without fail, to make you seriously regret having bought a Hyundai, and make you not want to have to deal with them ever again.

If you haven't had many/any warranty issues with your Az yet, or if you are one of the 5 or 6 Hyundai owners on the planet who have a great dealership, then you have not yet experienced what the great masses of Hyundai owners have experienced to make them say, "Enough is enough."

No need to be defensive; I'm claiming what I'm claiming, I'm not claiming what I'm not claiming. And I still defy you to find a 1-year-old BMW, Jaguar, Acura or Lexus with suspension crapping out and dashboard vinyl pulling itself apart. And while one Lexus service rep at a dealership in San Diego might have had a bad day two years ago, right after a bad break up with his girlfriend, and may have been rather surly with some of the customers who brought in their cars for minor complaints that day, I also defy you to find consistently poor customer service at a Lexus, Acura or Jaguar dealership.

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Told you I was dumb. Hit the wrong key. '07 Azera Limited. And the only warranty work was the cracked dash. Took them several days to replace it but they gave me a 200 mile '09 Sonata. Drove and road much worse than my Azera. Anyway the car came back with a new pad and I haven't heard a sound from it either so maybe I am deaf. I work several jobs a year (I'm semi-retired) from TN to CA so I've driven on just about every surface out there so if these shocks were worn out 30000 miles ago I think me or my wife would notice it. I came from an '05 VW Jetta TDI that I loved to drive but it broke down on both trips to CA. The Azera doesn't handle like the VW but is much more comfortable on a trip. Hope you unload yours soon. Sell it to another deaf old fart like me.

[richardc]

It is a valid question - and I do wonder. The folks who end up being very disappointed with the Azera's suspension (ride, handling & noise) - what kind of cars do they come from, vs. those who don't have (or perceive) any problem with theirs?

I wonder if the folks who tend to be more disappointed are those who typically buy new cars every few years and have recently owned new cars, and those who are satisfied are typically those who come from used cars. You know? "Standard setting". Maybe there isn't any correlation there.

Andy, I am one of those folks that are disappointed with my Azera's ride. Previously I had only driven American cars such as GM (1980 Buick Regal and 1995 Pontiac Bonneville) and a Chrysler as a teenager. In those cars I simply did not feel bumps no where near to the extent I feel them in my Azera. They never bounced or wallowed and I never replaced the shocks after 12 years and over 150K miles each. So to answer your question I am not one of those people who buy cars every few years. I keep mine a long time and was hoping to do so with the Azera, however, the prospect of feeling every bump in the road for the next ten years is becoming less and less appealing. Which is really is a shame since other than the ride my Azera has been a great car. 27K miles with zero problems. I'm going to hold out a few more years and hope that some solution is found to fix the poor suspension.

[david-paul-1]

To those of you who have no idea how a vehicle should handle, just wait until you have an emergency maneuver at high speed.

I had such an experience toward the end of my Azera driving days. I had to avoid a vehicle in the passing lane at approximately 70 mph on an Interstate. The other car suddenly veered into my lane. My Azera suddenly began to tip from left to right and darned near turned over. It was on its third set of struts, so were supposedly in perfect working condition.

I don't want to get involved in a pis#ing contest. My experience, is nothing else, other than my experience.

Enjoy your Azera's.

I have driven almost every Hyundai product made and I truly believe, for the most part, that they are producers of the best vehicles in the world, including my 07 Santa Fe. My next one will be a Genesis Coupe.

IMHO, the Azera is an exception.

Goodbye Azera lovers and be careful, very careful,

David <><

[campoly]

Anyway, gamle, nobody is saying you SHOULDN'T like your Azera. Or, at least, *I'm* not saying that. Maybe david-paul & campoly are, I don't know.

*gasp* no, No, NO! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)
I'm not saying anyone shouldn't like their Azeras. I loved this car until the shocks wore out (twice). If it weren't for that and the indifferent local dealer service (as well as Hyundai corporate), I could put up with the other niggling crap and I'd be a happy clam and driving this car for a long, long time.

In fact, I went out and test drove 3 cars yesterday: Audi A4, BMW 325i, and Mercedes C220. All were 2007 models off leases. It was eye opening and not in a good way. I won't bore you all with the details but I'll just say that I have a renewed appreciation for the Azera.

It is still very puzzling to me as to why some of us are having bad suspension problems and some of us have absolutely no problem. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that some aftermarket manufacturer comes out with replacement shocks...SOON!

[TLynn]

I think those particular people that have no complaints, don't know what a vehicle is really supposed to feel like.... (But) I don't want to get involved in a pis#ing contest.
David

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[andyman32]

Told you I was dumb. Hit the wrong key. '07 Azera Limited. And the only warranty work was the cracked dash. Took them several days to replace it but they gave me a 200 mile '09 Sonata. Drove and road much worse than my Azera. Anyway the car came back with a new pad and I haven't heard a sound from it either so maybe I am deaf. I work several jobs a year (I'm semi-retired) from TN to CA so I've driven on just about every surface out there so if these shocks were worn out 30000 miles ago I think me or my wife would notice it. I came from an '05 VW Jetta TDI that I loved to drive but it broke down on both trips to CA. The Azera doesn't handle like the VW but is much more comfortable on a trip. Hope you unload yours soon. Sell it to another deaf old fart like me.

I think what you think I'm saying, and what I'm actually saying, are like two ships passing in the night... I'm not criticizing you, I'm actually saying you're right. But so be it.

campoly - ok - so you're at that same point. If it weren't for A and B, C D and E would be acceptable issues and I would still think the Azera was a great car. Our "A"s are different, but our "B"s and the overall conclusions are the same. I have also had some eye-openers driving in other kinds of cars over the last 2 years that really made me appreciate getting back in to the Azera. My old Jags aren't very good comparisons, they a very different kind of ride, very nice and refined and great handling, but also very old at this point. All the shocks are original on both cars, and only a few select bushings have been replaced. The ball joints have not been replaced on either car. Some of that is stuff I notice when I drive them, and I just know that the new parts in the Azeras are new, and I actually have new parts for all of this in the Jags on the shelf already. What I don't know is what the "new-like" Jag vs. new Azera, or the old Jag ride vs. old Azera, would stack up like.

And as regards suspension - we STILL don't have enough mileage on either of our Azeras to necessarily reproduce the issue. A little over 7k on my wife's and just over 4k on mine. In a year my wife might have enough miles racked up to be able to tell whether or not we're going to have problems with the shocks on these.

[andyman32]

Oh, one other thing I found is that the dash pad is a $520 part (plus any tax and/or shipping). I sure can't wait to start paying that out of pocket once every 2 years after the warranty expires, and either pay $800 worth of labor at the stealership, or do 10-12 hrs of labor myself.

And believe me, taking airbags out of cars is fun.

So for those who are long-term car owners, might want to add this expense to all of the typical old-car problems that it SHOULD be experiencing at years 6+. :-/

I sure wish they'd just find a way to design a 2-part dash with a cut-out for the airbag. (IMG:http://www.fonefunshop.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/upsetwalk.gif)

[TheWidowsSon]

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This post has been edited by TheWidowsSon: Jul 24 2009, 06:56 AM

[petergun]

You paid under $13,000 for a 2 year old car that brand new would have cost you about $28,000 and you are wondering whether you paid too much? Where do you get the nerve. You got a very good price that would be considered in my book a steal. I bought my 2006 Azera Limited for about $28,000 and now it is worth about $11-12,000. Talk about lightning-quick depreciation. Don't worry about the shocks too much. It all depends on the roads you drive and your driving style. The OEM shock/spring combination was not designed to handle too much aggressive driving. For that, you would have to fork over some money for coilovers or other type of aftermarket performance shocks.

So please, enjoy what you have stolen . . . I mean your $12,900 car.