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#1 Old 06-29-2009, 10:08 PM
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2008 Hyundai Elantra. 30K service calls for replacing the Fuel Tank Air Filter. Is this a user replaceable part? How does one access it - it seems to be somewhere below the filler cap. The dealer will change it of course, for $$$.

Any advice would be appreciated.


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It requires removing the rear wheel well, under the filler tube. From hmaservice:

1 Remove the rear left wheel house inner cover (Refer to "BD" Group in this WORKSHOP MANUAL).
2.Disconnect the hose (A) connected with the canister and remove the fuel tank air filter ( from the filler-neck assembly after unscrewing the mounting bolts ©.

If I were you, I wouldn't bother with it unless you drive in dusty conditions, or you have a problem filling the fuel tank, or you have some sort of fuel pressure problem. Then I would change it.
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Thank you. I am only considering changing it as it seems to be a warranty requirement. Again, thank you for the great info.

I tried to find this on hmaservice - but being a newbie - I came up empty. I need to practice a little more!

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my service guy said they charge 1/2 hour labor, but wasn't sure of the material cost from the dealer.
Did you get a part cost?
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I was just looking at this today, as my 2007 Elantra is coming due for 30k miles. First of all, I had a heck of a time finding the part. I called the two local dealerships part departments (which by the way are affiliated under a single owner). Both took a while trying to identify it. They quoted me a price of around $11, but said it was special order and they don't sell many of them.

So I called both dealership's service departments. The first told me that because it was an "internal" filter, it doesn't get changed. I called the other service department and got the same answer, and was more direct about the warranty. She told me flat out that failing to change it won't void the warranty, and said that they never change it as part of their service packages.

Nevertheless, right in my manual's service schedule -- the one that the warranty says you must adhere to -- it's got an R under 30k miles.

So, has anyone gotten anything definitive from Hyundai about not being required to change this at 30k?
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QUOTE (jsinton @ Jun 29 2009, 10:44 PM)
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It requires removing the rear wheel well, under the filler tube. From hmaservice:

1 Remove the rear left wheel house inner cover (Refer to "BD" Group in this WORKSHOP MANUAL).
2.Disconnect the hose (A) connected with the canister and remove the fuel tank air filter ( from the filler-neck assembly after unscrewing the mounting bolts ©.

If I were you, I wouldn't bother with it unless you drive in dusty conditions, or you have a problem filling the fuel tank, or you have some sort of fuel pressure problem. Then I would change it.
I had seen this on HMAService too. The problem I'm having now is that while the documented procedure seems simple enough, removal of the wheel house cover, which is incorporated by reference (the "BD" Group in the manual), seems like it might be the most complicated part of the job.

Does anyone have any insight into what constitutes the "BD" group in the manual? I've browsed around looking in those areas that make sense, and I've done some searches, but I can't find a page in this manual that describes removing (or replacing) the "rear left wheel house inner cover". Thanks.

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It's not a big deal, just start unscrewing the wheel well, it will fall off easy. It's a HYUNDAI, after all.


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QUOTE (tizzo @ Sep 8 2009, 02:09 PM)
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I was just looking at this today, as my 2007 Elantra is coming due for 30k miles. First of all, I had a heck of a time finding the part. I called the two local dealerships part departments (which by the way are affiliated under a single owner). Both took a while trying to identify it. They quoted me a price of around $11, but said it was special order and they don't sell many of them.

So I called both dealership's service departments. The first told me that because it was an "internal" filter, it doesn't get changed. I called the other service department and got the same answer, and was more direct about the warranty. She told me flat out that failing to change it won't void the warranty, and said that they never change it as part of their service packages.

Nevertheless, right in my manual's service schedule -- the one that the warranty says you must adhere to -- it's got an R under 30k miles.

So, has anyone gotten anything definitive from Hyundai about not being required to change this at 30k?
I have not read this thread, but you do not change it. It is like the Appendix in your body. You don't need it,

and if it goes bad you take it out. We have had many discussions about this over at the Sonata 4G Forum, and these

posts can be found in the Forum Search Boxes!
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I'm really starting to get irritated with Hyundai. I've been on the phone and on their various web sites all day over this.

After having heard from two service departments that this filter doesn't have to be changed, I called Hyundai's 800 consumer affairs number. I explained the whole thing to them, and they told me that the manual is the first thing to look at as far as what's required to maintain the warranty, but that if the dealership said it didn't need to be replaced, that I should trust them.

Since the manual is supposedly definitive, and the manual says change it or your warranty isn't covered, I asked consumer affairs how I could protect myself from the dealer claiming, a year from now, that they never told me the filter didn't have to be changed. She said to just ask them to put it in writing, that they would not have a problem doing that.

So, I called my local service department again, and got the service reception person to repeat to me that this filter did not have to be changed to maintain the warranty. When she did, I asked to get something in writing to protect me, since the manual says otherwise. She put me on hold for a few minutes, then came back on to tell me that the service manager would call me back.

A couple of hours later, the service manager called me back and quoted me a price of about a hundred bucks (!) to replace this $10 filter. When I asked him about their claim that it wasn't required for the warranty, he said "why, who told you such a thing as that, it's ridiculous, of course it's required!" When I told him that the person who answered the phone, and who transferred me to him, had told me that, he said that she'd certainly be spoken to about it.

He did elaborate briefly that in some Hyundais the filter is inside the fuel tank, and that replacing it requires removing the tank, and on those models the replacement interval is only 100k miles, but he said that wasn't the case for mine.

I don't mind replacing the filter, but I'm not paying someone a hundred bucks for it, especially not every 30k miles. It looks like something I should be able to handle, but HSAService doesn't tell you how to get to it. It refers you to a portion of the "BD Group" in the workshop manual. While poking around HSA Service, I see lots of references to "BD Group", but I can't find anything that is itself labeled or identified as "BD Group", or any definition or explanation as to what "BD Group" refers to. Does anyone know? Is this something so obvious in mechanically inclined circles that BD Group should require no more explanation or definition that "mouse" or "keyboard" does to a computer user, or is it more a case of something written by someone for whom English is not a first language? Thanks.

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It's all BS. Don't sweat it. They could have made it easy to change. They didn't have to make it MANDATORY to change it every 30K.

Even if it does fail (even in my wildest imagination I can't imagine it would) the WORST that could happen is it gives you and EVAP failure code, or makes it hard to fill your gas tank. They you can change it. It won't blow up the motor, or ruin the transmission, etc.

The point is is won't void the drivetrain warranty no matter what happens.

But beyond that...

To change it simply unscrew the little screws that hold in the wheel well, then change the filter. Simple pimple.
Don't get your panties in a wad over it, it's not worth it.

Change your service dealer, they sound like real tools.


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