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According the Ontario Highway Traffic Act, my above statements are in fact correct, and have been verified with police and Ministry of Transportation Enforcement officers that I know. And as far as the projectors not being designed for the heat of HIDs, this is incorrect. Nothing on the North American cars have changed over the European model (that comes with HIDs) as an option, confirmed by Dealer's Service Manager. There's also no risk of any electrical issues when adding an HID kit to the car. Anyone that buys a $25 eBay kit is asking for trouble. Spend the money on a good kit, and you'll have no issues. I have run Lumens brand (Canadian company) kits in all my cars there's never have so much as a flicker in them. No over heating, no nothing.

Wasn't really looking for a lecture on traffic laws from people that don't live in Ontario, already know the HTA pretty much inside and out. Was just looking to see if anyone has done the upgrade to there car yet, to know how much work it will be...
Well then, good luck.


For others considering this, do your homework. Here's what correct retrofit cost looks like for an Elantra:

Elantra Hyundai 2011 2012 2013 Headlight R L Projection HID Ballast | eBay

Also, the Euro i30 doesn't list HIDs as an option, but standard projection headlights like we get in the US.

Hyundai i30 | New cars | Hyundai UK


Modern lighting is moving away from HIDs anyway. Most of the high end Euro manufacturers have already moved to LED (Audi A6, A8, BMW 6 series) and BMW is currently experimenting with diffused laser lighting.

BMW Develops Laser Headlight Technology

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"If you want a Hyundai i30 with the lot, the Premium trim adds front seats with heating, panoramic sunroof, electronic park brake, auto-dimming rear view mirror, xenon headlights, 17-inch alloy wheels (rather than 16s), and an electrically adjustable driver’s seat." - quoted from a review of the i30 by caradvice.com.au. Note "xenon", aka HID.

And that link you posted to eBay, are the Elantra GT's headlights btw. The only difference is the global market clear reflectors, instead of NA market amber reflectors...
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And you are also retrofitting washers and levelers?



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When a halogen headlamp is retrofitted with an HID bulb, light distribution and output are altered.[32]In the United States, vehicle lighting that do not conform to FMVSS 108 are not street legal.[32] Glare will be produced and the headlamp's type approval or certification becomes invalid with the altered light distribution, so the headlamp is no longer street-legal in some locales.[33] In the US, suppliers, importers and vendors that offer non-compliant kits are subject to civil fines. By October 2004, the NHTSA had investigated 24 suppliers and all resulted in termination of sale or recalls.[34]
In Europe and the many non-European countries applying ECE Regulations, even HID headlamps designed as such must be equipped with lens cleaning and automatic self-leveling systems, except on motorcycles. [33] These systems are usually absent on vehicles not originally equipped with HID lamps.
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Vehicles equipped with HID headlamps (except motorcycles) are required by ECE regulation 48 also to be equipped with headlamp lens cleaning systems and automatic beam leveling control. Both of these measures are intended to reduce the tendency for high-output headlamps to cause high levels of glare to other road users. In North America, ECE R48 does not apply and while lens cleaners and beam levelers are permitted, they are not required;[45] HID headlamps are markedly less prevalent in the US, where they have produced significant glare complaints.[46] Scientific study of headlamp glare has shown that for any given intensity level, the light from HID headlamps is 40% more glaring than the light from tungsten-halogen headlamps.[47]
Look, you can certainly do to your car whatever you like, but saying that there aren't any issues or that it's perfectly legal just isn't accurate, especially here in the US. I think that distinction needs to be made.

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Again sir, you are quoting AMERICAN law. Look where I live. See that it says CANADA? Oh yes that's right, our laws are different. We don't have, nor do we need washers and levelers on our cars here that have HIDs. That is EUROPEAN laws. Again, not CANADA. If you want to try and prove me wrong, make sure you're using the right information to back yourself up with, before you try to make yourself look like a keyboard hero. By the way, the law that you have quoted, doesn't make a distinction between projector and non-projector. In most of Europe and Canada there is a distinction. If you're going to run a Xenon system it HAS to be from a projector housing. This has already been dealt with from the factory. It's no different than adding Xenon to an Elantra Touring, a Genesis coupe, a Tiburon, or any other car with a halogen projector. The projector is what makes it legal.

I've been in the game for a long time, I do know what I'm talking about. So Mr BMW-man, you can go back to trying to tell other people what to do now. When you know my province's modification laws, then you can try and rebut.
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And why bother? Is it to look cool or something? I would never do it because:
-You have to break the seal of the dust cap. This cap is there for a purpose.
-What if something fails and catch fire? You car won't be fixed under warranty.
-As mentionned in the link (and many other links and videos), even putting an aftermarket HID into a hallogen projectors is not legal.

What I did to mine was put an H9 halogen bulb in place of the H11 and still I'm not sure about it being 100% correct and sure if I have a trouble and my dealer finds out the modified H9 bulb I will be in trouble.

Can you post up photos of your car with the H9 bulbs on?

So then this wouldn't void my warranty yet produce the blue I want correct?
Putco PURE High-Performance H9 Halogen Headlight Bulbs - Nitro Blue Putco Lights P230009NB
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And why bother? Is it to look cool or something? I would never do it because:
-You have to break the seal of the dust cap. This cap is there for a purpose.
-What if something fails and catch fire? You car won't be fixed under warranty.
I bother because a 4300-6000K HID bulb cast a clearer light, allowing you to see farther up the road, and wider across the road and ditches. It's not to look cool. If I wanted that, I'd have bought a Veloster lol. And you don't have to break the seal on the dust cap. The kits have grommets on them, so that you can drill a hole into the cover, and fit the grommet, keeping it sealed. In the 3 years, and 2 cars i've run HIDs on, there's never been a failure. Again, if you buy a quality kit (the ones I buy are around $100 a set), you won't run into issues. I'd never suggest anyone buy a kit that costs less than $100, as you're asking for cheap build quality and poor reliability...
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So then this wouldn't void my warranty yet produce the blue I want correct?
Putco PURE High-Performance H9 Halogen Headlight Bulbs - Nitro Blue Putco Lights P230009NB
Don't put blue hallogen bulbs; this is ILLEGAL, far more illegal than wrong aftermarket HID installation.
I put WHITE H9 bulbs and I put them because they are brighter than H11, they have 10W more power. Many people do it.

Wondered why your ad states: Off-road use only? Not only the blue coating will reduce your light output, you can be fined heavily for putting them in, just like you should be fined for putting red, green, pink, whatever color.

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Guys, no need for a pissing contest. I just drank a 2 liter of Mt. Dew so I'll win there

CanuckGT, I think we have all been blinded by that idiot kid driving a 90's civic with 100k HID's pointed upwards. Some people are more impacted by this than others. To me, it just pisses me off. My wife quite literally gets blinded with her contact lenses. So of course this is a sensitive subject hence M3chef's warnings and statements. As long as you do it right (which it sounds like you plan to) then all the more power to you. Once it thaws out up there I'll be anxious to hear how the install went and what your opinion is.

As far as others installing them, I do know one that has done it (actually a fellow Canadian). You can read his post here: HID's installed in 2013 GT - ElantraClub - For Hyundai Owners and Enthusiasts He is the first that I have seen to install HID's on a GT.


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Guys, no need for a pissing contest. I just drank a 2 liter of Mt. Dew so I'll win there

CanuckGT, I think we have all been blinded by that idiot kid driving a 90's civic with 100k HID's pointed upwards. Some people are more impacted by this than others. To me, it just pisses me off. My wife quite literally gets blinded with her contact lenses. So of course this is a sensitive subject hence M3chef's warnings and statements. As long as you do it right (which it sounds like you plan to) then all the more power to you. Once it thaws out up there I'll be anxious to hear how the install went and what your opinion is.

As far as others installing them, I do know one that has done it (actually a fellow Canadian). You can read his post here: HID's installed in 2013 GT - ElantraClub - For Hyundai Owners and Enthusiasts He is the first that I have seen to install HID's on a GT.
IDK dude... I've been drinking lots of water and tea to flush out a cold, so I may win there XD. And I agree, if the lights are aimed properly, it pisses me off too. Lifted trucks (lots here) are the worst for me! I always mod by the book, can't have an illegal car while trying to become a cop :P thanks for the link btw, i'll go check that out
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Well then, good luck.


For others considering this, do your homework. Here's what correct retrofit cost looks like for an Elantra:
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Look, you can certainly do to your car whatever you like, but saying that there aren't any issues or that it's perfectly legal just isn't accurate, especially here in the US. I think that distinction needs to be made.
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Again sir, you are quoting AMERICAN law. Look where I live. See that it says CANADA? Oh yes that's right, our laws are different. We don't have, nor do we need washers and levelers on our cars here that have HIDs. That is EUROPEAN laws. Again, not CANADA. If you want to try and prove me wrong, make sure you're using the right information to back yourself up with, before you try to make yourself look like a keyboard hero. By the way, the law that you have quoted, doesn't make a distinction between projector and non-projector. In most of Europe and Canada there is a distinction. If you're going to run a Xenon system it HAS to be from a projector housing. This has already been dealt with from the factory. It's no different than adding Xenon to an Elantra Touring, a Genesis coupe, a Tiburon, or any other car with a halogen projector. The projector is what makes it legal.

I've been in the game for a long time, I do know what I'm talking about. So Mr BMW-man, you can go back to trying to tell other people what to do now. When you know my province's modification laws, then you can try and rebut.




Thought I made it clear twice that you can certainly do what you want, but many Americans (myself included) read this forum and this needs to be made clear (again, as I stated).

As far as "Mr. BMW-man," I DD a Honda. The old M costs half what the Hyundai did.

BTW, that ole M has a TSX HID retrofit. A proper one!

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