Last year, I wrote to Lexus and told them why I did not purchase one of their cars. Within 2-3 weeks, they called me and we had a nice chat about what I would like to see on their cars. They also sent me brochures on the LS and GS models.
I have also communicated with other manufacturers and been cordially treated.
But, NOT Hyundai!
08/26 sent a letter to CEO with what I would like to see on the Genesis. Most suggestions were things on the Azera, but not on the Genesis and moving some features from the 4.6 to another package on the 3.8.
09/05 letter stamped received in President's office.
10/02 letter stamped received in Consumer Affairs Dept.
11/21 letter stamped received in Legal Dept.
11/21 letter returned to me with a cover letter from assistant general counsel.

Their letter states: "As a matter of course, all correspondence received by HMA containing suggestions for design changes, new products, marketing strategies, advertising slogans or the like, is forwarded to the Legal Department for reply. Please be advised that it is against the policy of HMA to accept unsolicited ideas from persons outside the Hyundai organization. In accordance with this policy, we are returning your correspondence with this letter. Please consider this letter as HMA's response to your August 26, 2008 correspondence."

This is why Hyundai will not suceed as a luxury car manufacturer and will ultimately have problems becoming a major factor in the American market.

Hey All

Dropped a 3K deposit on my new 2009 Hyundai Genesis 4.6 w/ tech package last Thursday and the dealer just called... My New Car will be here Next Thursday!!!!!! (Got her in black with black leather.)

The only question I have is rather simple:

I have read reports online that the 4.6 with the Tech Package has a 40 Gig hard drive that you can store music on... Is this true??? I never read anything about it on the Hyundai website or the cars brochure....

If it doesn't, can I plug my 8 Gig memory stick into the onboard USB port and listen to the songs straight off there? (Would save a lot of clumsy CD's...)



PS: I will load lots of pics when I get her next week!

WELL I HAD THE CAR FOR 2 DAYS NOW & IM ON MY WAY TO MAKING HER MY BABY FOR SURE, ENJOY
-REMOVED THE REAR TRUNK BADGE & GENESIS 4.6 NAME
-COVERED UP THE 2 HOLES FROM THE BADGE WITH LETTERS
-I MIGHT REPLACE THE LETTERS WITH THE WING STYLE GENESIS BADGE OR I MIGHT LEAVE EM WHAT DO U THINK?

MORE CUSTOM CHANGES TO FOLLOW SOON

IM LOOKING FOR CROSS DRILLED OR SLOTTED BRAKE ROTORS FOR THE V.8 GENESIS, THANK U

I remember earlier this year I saw a Genesis in the show room with nice 18"wheels. They had cut outs and had 7 spokes. Im seriously thinking of getting one but when I went looking all the ones I saw had these hidious 18" wheels on them. What happened to the nice 18' wheels??? Those new wheels are a deal breaker for me.

Here are the ones I originally saw


These are the hidious wheels that are all I see now

Just got back from the dealer and had a chat with a trusty salesman about the Genesis (dealt with him before and very correct and open)
he agrees with me that the company is blowing away another great opportunity, same as with the Azera, by not advertising. For those of you who may not know the Genesis has won the Car of the Year award in its class here in Canada. He also thinks that because of not creating the demand for the car its resale value will plummet. He too is nonplussed by this attitude as am I.
Maybe somebody should shake the tree there at Hyundai and see what falls off.

I've had quite a few people ask me how hard it was to install the KDM Genesis Wing Emblems so I thought I would do a writeup on the process for those who plan on installing these emblems.

Let me preface this by saying that I wish I would have taken more pics detailing the entire process, but since I did not, I will do my best to thoroughly describe how I went about removing the "H" emblem on the rear and installing the Wing emblems on my Genesis (front and rear).

Step 1 (Removal of the "H" emblem):

You will need a blow dryer and some dental floss or fishing wire. Make sure area around the emblem is clean and free of debris/dust so as to avoid any minor scratching of the paint.

Begin by using the blow dryer to heat up the "H" emblem up. You could also sit the car in the sun on a hot day for a few hours. This will make the adhesive backing on the emblem more pliable. Work the dental floss under one edge of the badge with an up and down motion. The floss with effectively, if slowly, "cut" through the adhesive on the underside of the emblem. Once you get near the middle of the emblem, do the same thing on the other side. Please note: You will not be able to work the floss all the way to the center of the "H" emblem as there are 2 small plastic tabs that are inserted into holes in the trunk lid. Once you have effectively separated most of the adhesive from the paint using the dental floss, you can use a plastic card (e.g. something similar to a credit card that you aren't afraid to ruin) to pry the badge off the hood. It may take a bit of force, but be patient and it should come off without much trouble. If needed, use some polish/wax to remove any remaining residue.

Holes left on trunk lid after removal of "H" emblem:



Step 2 (Preparing your Wing Emblems for Installation):

The KDM Wing Emblems come with large circular posts/tabs on the underside. In Korea the hood and trunk lid must have large holes that these can be inserted into. Since drilling on my new car isn't an option for me (or anyone I know for that matter), you will need to remove these tabs prior to installation. Short of a Dremmel Tool, I can't think of any way to safely and thoroughly remove these tabs without damaging the rest of the emblem. Luckily I was able to borrow my uncle's Dremmel Tool and it took about 5-10 minutes to remove the plastic tabs on both emblems. Once you have the removed the emblems I recommend you fill in the inner portion of of the back of the emblem with heavy duty stick tape. The sticky tape is more than enough to hold the badge securely in place, but still allows removal at a later date, if needed. This may be of importance to those of you who are leasing. Be advised: The holes in the trunk lid are not the same size/shape as the tabs on the underside of the Wing emblem. I just added more sticky tape over the holes in the trunk so that water wouldn't get in.


Step 3 (Installing the Wing Emblems):

Clean both the hood and the trunk lid installation area with rubbing alcohol to remove any remaining oils and ensure a proper bond. The front emblem is easiest to install. Simply line up the middle pointy edge of the Wing emblem with the center bar of the grill. Be sure to take your time to ensure the wings are evenly aligned (you may want to use a tape measure). On the rear emblem I simply measured from each end of the tunk lid and found the middle. Once you are certain you have the emblem in the spot you want it you can outline the emblem with a washable marker (it won't work that well on the paint, but it should be just enough to give a faint outline of where the emblem should be placed). Simply remove the sticky tape backing and place emblem on the hood/trunk. Be sure to press firmly on the emblem and hold it in place for at least a few seconds before releasing. You want to make sure the sticky tape is really stuck to the paint.

Before:



After:




Honestly, it's a LOT simpler than it sounds. It just takes a bit of time and patience. The hardest part of the entire process is removing the plastic tabs, but as long as you have to right tools, it's still pretty easy. I'm really happy with how they look....they "complete" the look of the exterior. The front especially looks a bit too bare with no emblem IMO.

Hey All

New to the forum here, but I have a bit of a question.

I am about to buy a new Hyundai Genesis 4.6 with the Technology Package in Black. The only question I have is rather simple, but the dealer can't tell me. (I live in Newfoundland and there has never been a Genesis sold or even shipped here.) If I get the black car with the black leather interior, is the leather on the dash going to be black or that rust/reddish colour?

Anyone have a black 4.6 with the tech package that could enlighten me here?

OK, so here goes... I am a young lawyer who ownes his own firm in a realtively small town in Newfoundland, Canada. Long story short, I really needed a good company vehicle to offset the expense of using my own vehicle for about 400kms a week...

Now, I looked at the Mercedes C and E, Cadillac CTS, Lincoln MKZ, etc., but they all seemed either SUPER pricey, or somewhat underpowered... (When I drop 50K + on a car, I WANT 300+ HP and a V8!) They also seemed to have one inherent problem as well... They all gave off the allure or image of "this guy is filthy freaking rich..." Now, I can see how some lawyers, doctors, professionals, etc. might want to give off that sense of success, but hey, I am in a small town where I know about 60% of the population... I offer reasonable services at reasonable prices and while I do make good money doing this, in no way am I out to give off the image of being a "rich showoff."

That being said, I really do appreciate a strong V8 engine, comfortable ride and lots of Technical Goodies. (I do well for myself, so why not spoil myself a little... )

The Hyundai Genesis meets all my needs... It is powerful, roomy, very poosh, high tech and sophisticated, yet it doesn't have the "get out of my way little man," attitude of the other cars... I can drive in a high end Hyundai without seeming too "snobish." Yet at the same time, I get all the perks of the high-end car makers, at about 20K less. (Personally, I am not interested in spending 20K more on an E class just because of its name...)

Anyway, that just sums up my feelings on the 2009 Genesis...

My 2009 Genesis 4.6 with the Tech Package will be delivered next month...

So I was walking outside today and I see a trailer of Genesis's. I went over to the guy and he said we are getting all 3 of them. He also told me that the dealer he was at beforewanted the 3 Genesis and he apparently called the owner of our dealership. I went to get the guy who checks them in and we looked them over. I took a red one to clean up and pull the plastic. This one also had damage to it. I started this car up and I loved how it sounded. I was hoping to drive it to our hyundai dealer a mile away but I didn't get the chance to.

We got a call that a guy is coming in to look at the black one in 20 minutes, so clean it up. They brought the guy up to where we are and he really liked it. He then got mad when he saw our $2,500 market adjustment which is stupid. Nevertheless, i'm sure he will buy tonight because I heard his budget was $50,000. One of the ladies in the office came out and she is thinking about trading her 00 olds intrigue in on a V8 because she loves the car.


We have 2 beige V6's and 3 more V8's coming in but I'm not sure what colors.

I drove the car thru our lot and it rides great and is so quiet, so who wants to lend me $45,000?

Hello,

Quite Frankly I've never owned a Hyundai, but as soon as the Genesis was released I was immediately drawn to it.
Surely, a lot of my friends experienced this too!

So given my lack of experience with Hyundai... I really need some advice here!

I'd like to stay local near the Butler area. I've been looking into this dealership, Mike Kelly Hyundai although they do seem pretty nice and I have to admit that I love the little leprechaun they have as their mascot (haha), I would still like to get some feedback from other Butler residents that have bought their cars here.

Additionally, what should I do to get the best deals? etc.

Well Thanks in advance!

Post Script: I'm going to cross-post this in the Genesis section to see if I can get a better chance at responses because I need advice pronto!

I was getting a little frustrated that I couldn't use the "shuffle" mode with my IPOD; I figured it out today. Start your IPOD in the "shuffle" mode and press play, then plug it into the IPOD port using the Hyundai cable (about $40.00). The IPOD will play in the "shuffle" mode but the track does not come up on the display screen. I will try and find out if it is possible to display the "shuffled" tracks on the display screen. If anyone knows how to do this please let me know.

The dealership that I work for in southern Indiana has a V8 Genesis in stock. If you know anyone in the southern Indiana/Louisville area that is looking for this particular car, please send them to me. You will receive a $100 referral bonus if they buy. We also have several V6's in stock.

Thought some of you may find this interesting...

http://www.siennaclub.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=20191

In this thread
http://www.hyundai-forums.com/t31755-4-6-d...ots-of-pics.htm

I made an analogy between the driving characteristics of the Genesis 4.6 and a Jaguar X350 XJR (MY 2004+).

Regarding my analogy with the Jag XJR: this does present a bit of a conundrum. If you're buying a car for short- or mid-term usage, an '04-'05 XJR with low miles and CPO warranty can be had for around $30k. It does pose a problem, to justify the additional $10k-$12k for the likes of a similarly-trimmed Hyundai, unless you really want/need and intend to USE every last day of that 10-year powertrain warranty. I doubt very much that the Genesis will be any more or less exclusive than the XJR by the middle of next year. The XJR is a bit bigger, a bit faster, equal in fuel economy, and is also a new-from-the-ground-up, extremely well-engineered vehicle, also sporting every safety feature in the book. This is just a humbly submitted opinion, perhaps worth some discussion, being a Jag lover as well as Hyundai.

What do you guys think? For prices "in the low 30s", you could pick up an '05 XJR, or an '06 BMW 550i, with low or average mileage and a CPO warranty. Assuming that you are, like me, interested in the 4.6 Tech Package, could YOU make sense out of the additional expense of the Genesis vs. these 2-3 year old premium beasts from more established marques?

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Can anyone tell me the name of the manufacturer and phone number who provided the GPS system for the Genesis ? I have some question I want answered by them and not Hyuandai...............Thanks !

For you very lucky current Genesis owners - I know, at least from jwaters testimony, that there is an iPod integration cable that plugs in... somewhere. When I drove this 4.6, I didn't see an aux input on the face of the stereo. Where does this cable install? Where does it come out?

Second - what does "iPod integration cable" mean? What is the interface like? Is it a standard 2.5mm or 3.5mm stereo headphone jack? Or is it a proprietary jack that will ONLY work with an iPod?

I don't use iPod... ridiculous premium to pay just because it's cool IMHO... I use whatever MP3 player has the features I want ("being an iPod" not among them) for the least possible dough. Currently use a Creative Zen. 'Twould be a shame that such an awesome stereo in such an awesome car is no more MP3 player friendly than our Azeras (which are, incidentally, also awesome cars with awesome stereos)

TIA!

Would Buy or lease the Genesis ?

Would you buy one used, would it have to certified or used?

If I were buying a Genesis i would get a certified preowned genesis because the engine and transmission is covered for 10 years or 100,000 miles, the regular used would be the remainder of the 5 year or 60,000 warranty.

One lesson i learned never buy a Hyundai brand new, it better to wait for a two to three old one.

buying a new car is a piece of mind but it cost almost 50% more.

I just took my first Genesis test-drive today. This was a maroon 4.6 base model. They only had one 4.6 and did not seem to have confidence that they would receive more soon. I took quite a few nice pictures below of the car driven, along with a few random shots of the various 3.8s sitting around the lot. They are down at the bottom.

Regarding the aesthetics of the 4.6, while I love the 3.8's wheels, I like the ones on the 4.6 better. Very cool. The brakes are huge. Also, the car is undeniably more impressive in person than photographs indicate. For whatever reason, even the marketing photos don't do it justice to its actual presence.

What the Azera does well, the Genesis does better. The door handles are very solid feeling. The interior door pulls are chrome (as I believe they are on the Azera as of '09 as well). The door surround is even more cushioned and "isolated" sounding; the door is heavier-feeling but easier to open and close. The car is BIG - big doors, high door jamb, bigger seats. While the seats seemed to be bigger than the Azera's, they are also better cushioned and FAR more supportive. The plood looks good enough to pass pretty close scrutiny; it is better-done on the Genesis than on the Azera (where you can actually see printed dots). Like the Azera, all switches and buttons are very solid-feeling and well-constructed. The keyless ignition is neat. My biggest surprise regarding aesthetics or materials was the leather; I have hardly felt leather so soft, certainly never before on a car, including my Vanden Plas, which sports a Connolly leather hide.

Starting the car, the engine has an inspiring grunt and deep, mellow idle which is, like the Azera, essentially inaudible from inside the cabin. Now to the driving dynamics:

Handling was "middle of the road". It was precise but not harsh; it seemed lighter than the Azera but not feather-light. In corners the Genesis was extremely competent, feeling minimal lean and no body roll whatsoever. In terms of handling, it's not a BMW and it's not a Buick. As has been stated before, it's a very Lexus-like feeling - sporty enough, plush enough, and extremely confident and competent in any maneuver.

The brakes were extremely responsive even to the point of being "grabby". The slightest tap and the car STOPS - almost difficult to negotiate a slow, smooth stop. They are FAR more responsive and effective than the Azera. They might smooth out a little once the pads are more bedded in; the car I drove only had 90 miles on it.

The cabin is VERY quiet. Reviews are right on: It's serene in there. The sound of the 4.6 accelerating is almost too high-pitch and mellow for its size. I should mention that the same 'criticism', if it can be called that, has been leveled against the likes of the new V10 in the BMW M5. The cabin is silent at around-town speeds and near-silent at highway speeds. There is no wind noise and no road noise from the wheels. There are no rattles or shakes whatsoever. So it confirms the same impression of being extremely well-engineered and competently constructed when in motion, as it does parked in the lot.

Big surprise / pleasure #1: The powertrain. AFAIK both 4.6 trims come with the ZF 6-speed. The Tau is quick to wind up and packs a lot of torque in under 3000rpms. Like the brakes, the throttle is twitchy; you launch to 55mph in the blink of an eye, after just barely tapping the throttle. The flipside is, you really have to dig in deep if you're "serious" about getting to that next stoplight before the next guy. Kickdown in this thing is almost scary fast. It is distinctly faster than my XJR, but my XJR was bolted together 12 years ago, and only puts out 322hp and 378ft-lbs, and has 4 gears to ply in the transmission. A comparable ride would be an X350 (2004+) XJR, which is a supercharged 4.2L V8 that makes 400hp and 400ft-lbs. In test driving one the throttle responsiveness and acceleration was almost identical to the Genesis 4.6, except the Jag makes a bit more grunt doing it due to the supercharger and what is likely a little more aggressive tuning in the exhaust note. They both have big brakes and 18" alloys, are similar size, both use a 6-speed ZF slushbox (In fact, I think they're even the same unit). The Jag has another 25hp and 75ft-lbs, and is almost identical in curb weight, and is a bit bigger in exterior dimensions. However, I think one would be hard-pressed to notice a difference in around-town driving; the Jag aims for the same "middle of the road" ride, firm, precise, and high-performance without being harsh. To distinguish the two you'd need a track and a stopwatch.

Big surprise / pleasure #2: The suspension. Yeah, it's better than the Azera, I will have to admit that. Contrasting the Azera with the Genesis, which has bigger wheels, the Genesis just makes rough road disappear where the Azera makes you feel it. I, fortunately, was able to drive this 4.6 on the exact same roads I take to and from work every day, so there was an excellent frame of reference. I don't know how to explain it. The Genesis is firm and tracks far better than the Azera (which the Azera already does really well) - it is a RWD car with a stiff frame. So there's that. But the suspension is VERY quiet. Clearly Hyundai has done their homework. Hopefully it doesn't have trouble with degrading ride quality over a few thousand miles, but as of being "new", you can't get a thump or knock out of this thing. Again, related to steering, rough road is felt but significantly smoothed out. There isn't a lot of feedback to the steering wheel, and the steering remains very precise and responsive, which is very Lexus like. I could not possibly read anything disappointing in the suspension unless you're either looking for a floaty Buick-like ride, or a rigid and unforgiving BMW-like ride; and in either case, you shouldn't drive a Buick expecting a BMW and vice-versa. There's a spectrum of performance and rigidity vs. comfort, and the Genesis is, simply put, a brilliant blend. As has been often stated here, the steering and ride should please "almost everybody" - and I fall well within that category.

Overall my impression of this car was overwhelmingly positive and YES I would love to have one. I talked to the salesman about lease terms and they are quite good, even for a 4.6 tech package. However, he wasn't sure if he could FIND me a 4.6 tech package like I wanted - their hands are tied for now.

On to a bunch of pics I took, first of the 4.6 I drove, then of assorted 3.8s out on the lot:

http://www.hyundai-forums.com/t29810-azera...ag-light-on.htm

http://www.hyundai-forums.com/t29277-07-az...-year-later.htm

http://www.hyundai-forums.com/t29845-bounc...oising-gone.htm

Do you see where I'm going here ?

I will not own another Hyundai >.<

Does the Gen have cylinder deactivation? it should...

Ever since I got to see and hear a pre-production Genesis V8, I was pretty disappointed in the exhaust. It wasn't just the fact that it sounded too subtle, it actually sounded like it was strangling the engine. The poor thing couldn't breathe.

The video doesn't say who makes the exhaust but I think this sounds incredibly hot.

Genesis Custom V8 Exhaust

Anyone know the specs of the 18" wheels that come on the Genesis? I know they are 18x7", can anyone supply the offset?

There are things about the Genesis that I love, and things I don't love.

No matter how balanced one is in presenting pros and cons about the Genesis (or any other car) on Edmunds (Inside Line forums), if you make negative remarks, the mods over there will remove your posts, and if you are persistent, they'll actually delete your account.

And no, I'm not talking about behavior that is trollish or baseless bashing...I'm speaking of very balanced and objective (and polite) opinions being censored completely over there.

I am growing to believe that Edmunds Inside Line is truly run by the dealers and automakers, and they won't tolerate negative comments whether fair or not, or true or not, because it's a lion's den run and monitored by sales managers and manufacturer's representatives.


Anyone agree or disagree?

27mo/12,000 $500 ith tax, $3K out of pocket

This is really a trivial concern, but theoretically the 4.6 has been available in this country for what - 3 weeks now? There are hundreds theoretically available on autotrader, but of all of them, for all 3+ weeks, there isn't a single one with a real photo of the car. I'm just cruising for pics of the 4.6's wheels and interior shots. It seems pretty weird to me that not a single dealer anywhere in the country sees any point in photographing their top of the line model. Anybody know what gives? Are the 4.6s actually here and we've just witnessed a bizarre nationwide surge of apathy for winning strategies in car sales? Or are they just allocated, and still "theoretical" on the dealer lots? Hm...

I went to a Hyundai/Lincoln dealer and drove comparably equipped MKS and Genesis' back to back. Both had 18'" wheels. Drove city streets, country road and interstate. If you cannot take criticizm of Genesis, please read no further.
The Genesis rode much rougher than either the MKS or my 07 Azera, but was not as bouncy as the Azera with brand new L460 shocks. This was on all three road types. The dash and console of the Genesis are much more impressive, especially with black leather instead of the brown. The MKS is larger inside and feels it. Even cruising at about 40 MPH, the Genesis was very harsh over moderate pavement irregularities. It was much worse than either the MKS or my Azera and had the feeling that if I pushed it hard on straights or curves, it would start heaving and wallowing severely.
I agree with Car & Driver and Automobile magazine that Hyundai needs to revisit the suspension on the Genesis.
the Genesis was $5,000 cheaper than the MKS and had better power.
The MKS performance was OK, except when you had to accelerate uphill to enter the interstate, it took more pressure on the gas pedal to get up to speed. The wood trim on the MKS impressed me more than the leather on the Genesis.

Just had my new Genesis with Tech Package modified so the DVD will play while driving. It can only be done by a company called Nav-TV who just created a new circuit bord and software made specifically for the Genesis !!

This is too cool !!

Go to : www.navtv.com for more info

Let's track sales prices for the different packages..........

Consumer Guide Automotive has a review on their site for the 2010 Genesis Sedan. Is it really that close to being here?

I got this on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks...d=p4506.c0.m245

Many Genesis sedans in Korea suddenly stops(engine dies) and won't accelerate fast enough, and finally Hyundai admitted that ECU might be bad. Hyundai said it's NOT a serious problem since it can be fixed simply by replacing ECUs. Korean government will do investigation and release the result at the end of this year to decide whether Hyundai should recall Genesis or not. Don't buy Genesis now if you are planning on buying one in the future. Buy it after this issue is resolved. Sorry to say this, but Hyundai is a shady company and I don't trust their products. This article just released in Korea on Sep 25 2008. Good luck.


http://news.naver.com/hotissue/ranking_rea...niqueId%3D30065

Does anyone know how to disable the Park requirement for the DVD in the new 2009 Genesis ?

So, I finally took the Genesis on a "real" road trip this past Labor Day weekend. I drove from Reno to Boise and back over the long weekend and racked up a total of approx. 900 miles. Just before the trip I received my new Pioneer AVIC F500-BT portable NAV system. I have to say that the map data is not as up-to-date as my Navigon 2100Max, but the screen is larger and more clear (more on that later).

Anyway, here are my impressions/photo diary of the trip.
DISCLAIMER: This post is not 100% car related.

Saturday morning, leaving the Reno/Sparks area. The Genesis is fueled, washed/waxed, and ready to run.


Hmmmm, speaking of "fuel": My Favorite Muffin, aka the breakfast of champions! ;)


Fuel economy: 29.3 mpg @ 2111 miles. The display was about 1 mpg optomistic according to my calculations. Not bad considering I had the cruise control set for 79-80 mph. The car is amazingly quiet and refined at speed and devours long stretches of pavement with ease. I love how "tight" the car feels.......no rattles!


Stopped in Winnemucca, NV and had lunch. Most of you have probably never heard of this town unless you watched Tales of the City (e.g. Mother Mucca). As far as small Nevada towns go, this is one of the more charming ones out there. I drove by this old church which I thought was kind of nice so I took a quick shot of it.


Jason, aka the butthead I fight with over control of the radio. Thank God he didn't make me listen to Mariah Carey again. Speaking of the audio system, it's VERY impressive. I only have the mid-level Lexicon system, but even when cranked all the way up there is no noticeable distortion or rattling/buzzing from any of the interior panels.


A quiet Su