Due to a request from a fellow member (Craig) I made a quick form that will post the submitted entries to a spreadsheet and then a webpage. The idea is to get folks to post up their results from mileage tests they have done or will do. This will at least give us a place to reference in the future.

It's nothing fancy but it works. Depending on usage I might integrate it into a regular webpage on Sonata site.

Form Entry

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It may take a couple of minutes after you post before the entry is visible on the "view entries" page. If anything's missing please let me know, but remember we're trying to keep it as simple as possible.

Yep, time to rejuvenate this topic again. For those that haven't seen it or don't know what I'm talking about, I started up a thread quite a while back for folks to post up a pic so people would have a face to put with the name. It went over pretty good ... good enough to start it's own webpage.

http://www.jerrystout.us/sonata/faces/index.html

So c'mon, PM me your pic and I'll add it to the Hall of Fame !!! It's always nice to have a picture to put with a name.

PS: to all you chickens that claim to be on the "witness protection program" we'll understand I guess. Mods ? You're slackin'.

Follow the link below for a compilation of TSBs, DIYs, How-To's, Aftermarket Parts, and other goodies. There are also owners manuals for various model years. If anyone has anything to add to the lists please PM me.

2006-2009 Sonata Information

The Faces of Hyundai-Forums.com (Sonata owners)

~ Jerry

Hi all Im a newby here and I was wondering if anybody knows if 08 and 09 headlight assemblies are interchangeable, I like the look of the 08 over the 09 model.

I didnt really care for the chrome bars on the grille of my 09 so I removed them sanded them down real good and painted them black to match the rest of the grille. They are drying right now but its gonna look sweet I will post some pics when I get it all back together.

Hi, I need some Major Help.......................
There was this big as flying ant or some sort.......................
Went into my air conditioning ventilation system,,,,,,,
how do i get it out of there...................????????
I was trying to remove the in cabin filter no luck there, i maxed out my ac to possibly get it out no luck.....
Any suggestoin???????

Happy 4th of July to everyone and their family's,Have a safe one and to whoever is traveling drive safe.

Sincerely, Me and My Sonata <-- now that makes it sonata related

From personal experience (2009 Sonata Ltd V6), from other users and article reviews, and reports, it is fairly obvious that as a company the number 1 design issue that ails the Hyundai lineup is the noisy suspension. Also, this impression is bolstered after driving other competitor cars. I think almost all the vehicles in the fleet suffer from noisy, jarring, unsettling and unrefined suspensions, some more some less. Is there any car in the Hyundai lineup that does not have this problem?

The second most obivous design flaw IMHO is the shifting of the transmission. It is not as rampant as the suspension flaw, but it is there. Although I laud Hyundai for trying to fix this problem through TSBs, but should it not have been fixed at the design stage when it is a known fact? The shifting in my car has smoothed out considerably after 2 TSBs (it was atrocious in the beginning), but it is not as smooth as some of the competition and even cheaper entry level cars.

What say y'all??

Hey,

I just went to the hyundai website, and I noticed that the mpg, hp, and torque went up in the new sonatas. Did they change anything in the engine to do this, or did they just tune it on the computer for better performance? Just wondering what has changed in the engine since I bought my 06. My car has been very reliable with just a few problems here and there. The only real complaint I have with its age is the massive increase on windnoise my car has.

Well, thanks all!

CptGloval

The 2009 used the h11b low beam bulb. Anyone try using the plain old H11 to go HID ? You guys are pretty smart think it would work?

Finally installed power folding mirrors with LED.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHUw8OnalUU...player_embedded

I check my fluids, belts and tires every 2 weeks on both vehicles. Im over 60k miles now and the vbelt still looks very good and I was wondering if anyone has input on the normal lifespan of these. Usually you see them wearing by now.


TIA

Hi Guys ,

Finally after almost a month that I got the parts I installed them .

My mirrors were already manually foldable ,so I just needed to convert them to electric folding .

There are shops which does this for considerable amount of money (let's around 300) and some of them don't even do the wiring they just take your mirrors and

fit them with electric actuators which I don't know they took from what kind of car ,they don't fit right and they break very easily as I asked around .and their work

is rubbish anyways.

- So as I knew that Korean Sonatas (the one they make for themselves) are fitted with electric folding mirrors from the factory ,I tried to find the actuators

Online ,and after spending monthes of searching korean websites ,I found one which sells second hand actuaros for about - If I remember correctly - 50 bucks.

(They actually sell the whole mirror too second hand of course , (for those live in US and their car didn't fit with folding mirrors )) this doesn't cost much either.

(there was another website which sells the new ones ,it was it bit pricy I think it was 250 or 300 for both left and right .)


- I wanted every thing to be stock , so I found the OEM door handle with Folding Switch on it .that was 60-70 bucks I guess. or you can put a regular switch

somewhere or just connect it to ACC so when you turn the key on the mirrors open and when turn car off they fold ,in this case you don't have much control over

the folding mirrors compared with switch fitted case.like if you park you car and somebody park very close to you when turn your car on the mirrors gonna open

and hit the car beside you .

- and I needed a Folding unit to put between the switch and mirrors .this unit actually take the single signal from the button and convert it to constat current and

give it to the actuator to fold .and overchange it if you press button again to open the mirrors .(just like the ones on the azera) this costs 20 bucks.
(this one has a story behind it )
because this unit came with no installation manual I didn't know how to do the wiring ,so I gave it to a shop to find the wires on the socket .meanwhile I found the wiring diagram on the internet (again in Korean - but you could almost understand whats what) so after a week I called the shop and they said they tried everything but they couldn't figure out the wires .so I took it back since I got the diagram and connect it ,it didn't work ,apparently the idiot in the shop took all component on the unit apart and fried the circuit board ,so it was useless afterall .
since I already did all the wiring for the car and change the handle and mirror actuator I tried to figuer something out and make something that does what this unit does ,so after a week searching on the internet and thinking I made something myself with 5 Relays and 2 Diods that did the same thing .boy that was alot of workkkkkkkkk.the challenge was to make it small so it can fit in the door panel.

so you need 3 items to do this :

1 - Electric Actuators (For Us sonatas the whole mirror)




2 -Folding Unit (stock)



2 -Folding Unit ( the one that I made )





3 -Door handle with folding mirror switch on it.(or Not)





And ALOT of wiring .

I almost forgot ,I ordered all of these stuff through " Korean Auto Imports ".

Here is couple of videos :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1DGmqte3uI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jeQ9UHBy8M

there are more pictures (from the wiring ,door panel ,and ,...) tell me if you want.

And boy I enjoy it every time I use it . it's really nessesary here ,crowded city ,narraow alleys ,lots and lots of stupid drivers and bikers .

Hi, I'm new here

I just bought a new GLS sonata on monday, and

been driving it for about 150 miles, now and I noticed

that the steering vibrates excessively past 65 mph.

I went in to the dealership today, and they said

they adjusted my rotors, and it should be fine,

but I am still experiencing the vibration,

and also when speeding down from 70 to about 30

to get to an exit from a highway I feel abs like pulsing

in my breaks. i read a few threads on here about similar problems,

but they were all on older models. I was wondering

if these were also common problem people were experiencing

on the 09 sonata, and how I should go about fixing it.

Please help me! this is my new baby, and I'm really scared!

ok, so i did some searching and found that 18x8 inch rims with a 38mm offset and 235/40R18 tires will fit my sonata
but then i got to thinking that i would wanna upgrade later to 19's so ive been looking for rim/tire packages that will fit but im not 100% positive.


The rims i wanna get are TSW Vairano 19x8" with a 40mm offset

Ive been thinking about these tires:

Sunny SN3800 235/35/ZR19
Goodyear Eagle F1 225/35/R19
Toyo Proxes 4 or T1R 225/35/ZR19


Which would be the best tire to get that would fit with no rubbing or would any of them work?


-thx

okay so it was this one morning, i was on my way to work and the bright sun was right in the view of my eyes and when i tried opening the sun visor, it wouldnt open for some strange reason... so i gave it a little bit of more force into it than i heard CRACK!.. and than i noticed the little plastic pole looking part thats holding on to the sunvisor had a big crack on it. and now ever since that big crack noise the sunvisor doesnt stay up.. it hangs low and i bump my forehead everytime... right now its getting held up by 3m tape between the mirror cover and the mirror light plastic cover... is there any replacement part for this? or am i screwed....

Will your next car be another Sonata?
How highly do you rate Hyundai in all aspects? worthy enough to stick with them?

I'm thinking about getting the ESI switchblade key,

http://www.koreanautoimports.com/store/pro...roducts_id=3300

but my remote doesn't have the LED on the top

https://www.remotesandkeys.com/ProductDetai...oductCode=7282A

however the previous models 2008 and before,

https://www.remotesandkeys.com/ProductDetai...oductCode=7280A

have LEDS on there, and all the numbers on the back match the ones on mine.

Do you think the 2008 remote can replace my 2009 remote?

Also to get it programmed, I read here that I need to take it in to the dealer,

and it will run me about extra 40 bucks.

Do some dealerships do it for free?

I have a new 2009 Sonata Limited, 4-cylinder. When I take my foot off the gas when approaching a stop signal, the car lurches as if the throttle was being pushed and pulled, or as if the transmission were shifting back and forth between gears. It happens between 35 and 50 mph. The dealership says that no codes are showing and thinks it may be the air conditioning cycling on and off, but that seems improbable to me. Does anyone have any ideas about what could cause this problem or how to diagnose or fix it?

Hi guys, I just wanted to ask people to share their experiences with the different brand of alternators in general. However, I am interested in knowing about the quality of bosch alternators. After looking it online I haven't found many forums talking about Bosch alternators, so I'm assuming it's a good brand.

I heard the most complaints from the Autolite brand.

Feel free to pitch in your two cents!

Hi guys, My dad just bought me this car (06 Sonata) and the right side brake light is out. I told him I could do it. He chuckled and said OK. Well, I opened the trunk and didn't instantly see a place to change the bulb.

I did see 2 plastic type hex screws. Do I remove thoes and slide out the light or does the trunk lid liner have to come off. I don't want to ruin anything.

There is also a license plate light burned out. Do the Plastic covers pop out?

I'm only 17 so I have a lot to learn


thanks Nancy

Ok so recently I was just driving the car at fairly low speed like around 40-50 km/h and I thought I was in SHIFTRONIC mode, it turns out I was in Drive. What this did was push the car into neutral! Suddenly rpms started rising up and then I quickly pushed it back into drive and the car shook a bit....
My question is, did I mess something up? The car seems normal but should I check it out or something?

*btw I realize I mispelled my title lol

Just Finished installing a Low profile amplified HDTV antenna behind the rear passenger side headrest (on the rear deck) ran rf cable thru door kick pannel things. put dtv converter box in glove. picked up 57 channels

Just Noticed a few weeks ago that the paint was pealing where the front bumper meets the front fender. Black spots do not look good on a white car. When the wife took the car in for a oil change, they told her it was caused by rock chips. Must be some really small rocks to get in that space. I went to a couple of body shops that i know the owners of, and they both told me that was B.S. and it was the paint pealing. Went back to my dealer, talked to the service manager and he looked it over made an appointment and repainted the whole front fascia. They even gave us a new Sante Fe to drive while they had the car for 2 days. Got the car back yesterday, and they even replaced the Brake Light Switch that is under the recall and I did not even have to mention that to them. I really like this dealership, maybe that is why I've boughten 3 Hyundai's from them. Any way, Has anyone else had a Paint issue like this? And was it covered under the Paint warranty?? Hopefully the paint won't be all chipped off after the Colorado Springs trip in a couple weeks.

Are the brakes/rotors covered by the warranty? I'm the second owner of the car so it has the remainder of the 5 year warranty. When I bought my car a little over a month ago, I was told there was 40% of the brake pads left but on the back brakes, one side is all the way gone. It started making a scraping sound on the way home, so I had my brother check, he said since I caught it as soon as it started the rotor only has a small scrape on it, but there is no way I went through 40% in the time I've had it. He said the front brakes look new so the mechanic probably just assumed the back were ok.

Well, my door lens (the red lens that goes over the light in the door) has fallen out of both my front doors. I thought I remembered someone modifying these at one point. Maybe replaced them with clear lenses and changed the bulb color. I did a search and couldn't bring anything up. If anyone has done something like this let me know. I would be interested in where you found a lens that fit your car, or modified the factory one.

Thanks!

Guys, am I missing something - HID conversion kit with bulbs for under $60 shipped: eBay HID Kit? Seems really cheap but does have a two year warranty and good feedback. Any opinions on these cheaper eBay kits?


Thanks!

OK, I finally got around to installing my HID's and creating this write up. I hope it is helpful!

Here is the place that I ordered my lights from:

http://www.ddmtuning.com/index.php?p=produ...2&parent=85 (thanks to ddix!)

I went with the 4500K, so they are not too blue. Also, I bought their "Error Code Eliminator - 3" to keep my computer happy, just in case. In the end, the whole deal cost less than $100 with shipping and the installation took me about an hour (granted I was taking pictures). The only thing that I would say is not so great about this kit is that the instructions provided in the kit are absolutely useless. However, you now have my step by step, and in the end, it is an easy install!

So, with out further delay, here is the installation!

Step 1:
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Remove the headlight assembly. It is not hard, and it makes the installation much easier.

Step 2:
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This bolt is the hard one, and it does take a little bit to get it out!

Step 3:
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Remove the multi plug attached to the assembly.

Step 4:
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Once you have removed the headlight assembly, you will need to remove this dust cover to access the OEM bulb (be sure that you are accessing the low beam bulb).

Step 5:
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After you have removed the low beam dust cover, unplug the OEM bulb and release the retaining spring.

Step 6:
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This is the HID bulb that comes in your kit (you get two of them), and the picture shows what parts you keep and what parts you discard.

Step 7:
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You will need to drill a 7/8" in your low beam dust cover to allow the HID bulb's wires to pass through.

Step 8:
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This shows the correct way to connect the power wires from the HID bulb into the connector that was attached to the OEM
bulb.

Step 9:
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Pull the remaining HID bulb wires through the low beam dust cover. Then pull the grommet through and ensure that it provides a good seal.

Step 10:
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Install the HID bulb, and secure with the retaining spring. Then slide the black plastic guard over the back of the HID bulb. Finally, put the power wires and connector inside the assembly and reattach the low beam dust cover.

Step 11:
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This shows the finished installation of the HID into the assembly

Step 12:
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This shows the difference between the HID bulb and the OEM bulb in action.

Step 13:
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This shows both HID's.

A couple of closing notes....

The actual wiring is very straight forward. Obvious male to female connections to and from the ballasts and the HID bulb. The connector on the inside of the OEM low beam dust cover that powered the OEM halogen bulb is what provides the power for the ballast. The ballasts are digital, so they can use the power from the original factory wiring.

Finding homes for the ballasts was not easy. As you know, there is not much spare room under the hoods of our Sonatas. I ended up zip tying one of the ballast to the air intake hose, and double side foam taping the other one to the top of the window washer tank.

Finally, depending on the color temp you choose for your HID, you will want to change the color of your high beam halogen bulbs so that they match in color. I had to buy cool blue H1's to come close enough in color to my HID's.

All in all, this is a great project that makes an amazing difference in both looks and safety. I can only recommend it to my brother and sister Sonata drivers!

Good luck!!!

So, I have an appointment to get my 06 sonata tinted this wens. I was wondering if people who have this done wouldn't mind uploading a pic of there car and telling me what %'s they went with. I'm trying to decide what the best look would be. I'm in IL so i'm not supposed to tint the two front windows, but I think if I go with a lighter shade, I might not get a ticket. Well, thanks all!

I might be buying a 2008 Sonata in the next few months with a maximum of 60,000KMs on it. My question is to all owners of Sonata`s. If the car is well maintained what is the total lifespan of the car meaning how many KMS will this car max out at before having to be put out to pasture or brought behind the barn and shot lol... But seriously, is it as good as Toyota? A friend of mine has a 2002 corolla with over 300,000 KMS on it with very little maintenance.. Thanks in advance fellas..
Jim

NEW YORK (CNMMNoney.com) -- With gas prices rising and car sales in the dumps, Hyundai is offering new car buyers gas at $1.49 a gallon for a year.

The offer is called the Hyundai Assurance Gas Lock promotion. As with the Hyundai Assurance program the carmaker instituted in January which enabled buyers to give back their car at no cost in the event of a job loss, the Korean automaker is again using promotions aimed at easing car buyers' economic concerns.

As an alternative, buyers can take a $1,000 rebate instead of the gas incentive. Other cash rebates are still available whether or not the customer opts for the cheap gas.

Hyundai expects gas prices to reach about $2.70 a gallon in July with some areas experiencing $3.00 a gallon gas.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/06/30/autos/hyun...sion=2009063016

Okay so this is something I wanted to do since I bought the car. The signals on my 07 came amber. I dislike amber turn signals. I think all red makes it look better and cleaner. So I talked to a guy that makes them for other vehicles. He didn't have any for the Sonata so I made a stencil for the signal lamps and sent it to him. In return I got a nice vinyl overlay that looks great. The car looks different, almost like an 09 but the reverse light doesn't have as much red around it. His website is http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y42/BlueBatmobile2005/ if anyone wants to take a look at his work. He can make a vinyl over lay for pretty much anything. Just make him a stencil. I had to do some minor trimming but I expected that. Below are some pics of the after product installed.

You can order by emailing him at bluebatmobile@san.rr.com.

Father in law took his car to the dealer today as he had their rustproofing and it was the one year checkup for any re-application appointment. While he was there, service told him that he HAD to have his brakes serviced to maintain his warranty... sounds fishy to me that he would have to have it done and pay 200.00 for the pleasure.. any input???

Is this feasible? The 2009 unit without GPS. Spec sheet here: http://img32.imageshack.us/i/snfbe8003n.gif - this one obviously has the three connectors as opposed to the one on my 2006. Would I need to get an 09 wiring harness, wire together the correct existing cables, and manually wire in a usb/aux panel mount and conncetor? Hmm..

So, I wonder over to my neighborhood Hyundai dealership this morning for an oil change, the service advisor was checking out some of my mods when I point out my folding mirrors. He says to me, I have to show these to my parts manager, so he calls him out. As the parts manager is walking toward the car I recognize him, turns out he is an old neighbor of mine. We chat about the mirrors for a second and he brings me inside to show me a picture of his '67 GTO. While inside I said hey Steve, do me a favor; check the part numbers on the Sonata SE and Limited shocks and struts. He did and they were different and in fact the factory descriptive described the SE shocks and struts as "sport tuned." I told him about my new SMA springs and the reason I had not yet installed them is because I was waiting on aftermarket replacement units. He says to me, do you want a set of the SE shocks and struts, I said how much, and he replied “dealer cost plus 10 percent”, I said order them up. He also offered to take them back if they do not fit.

Stay tuned sports fans. . .

Just got finished, took about an hour, a drill and some patience (first two I have).

The car is only 2.5 years old, but had a lot of hwy miles which means marks, some haze and even a paint mark where someone bumped us.

They werent restored to perfect, but it did clean them up. For $28, Id recommend this every few years.

First two are of the initial headlights (you can see marks;they are clean)

Second is after the 500 grit sand

Then two shots from the final.

Hey guys. I've spent a lot of time trying to figure out some things when it comes to getting rims. I've ran into some issues/questions regarding TPMS. I've spent a couple hours researching all I can on this forum and the web about TPMS but I still have a couple of nagging questions. I went Town Fair Tire this morning to ask some questions to the sales guys and they seemed a little unsure about TPMS on the Sonata. Right now, I'm trying to avoid having the TPMS indicator on all the time with a new set of wheels. I was told by the salesman that I'd have to order a new set of TPMS modules for the new tires and that it would cost $240 ($60x4) for a new set. However, when I asked if I could use the existing set he really didn't say yes or no. He just said it would be "possible." What I would like to do is use existing TPMS that are on my stock wheels and have them put them on the new rims with a rebuild kit. I don't see why it wouldn't work, but again, I'm a newb. In anycase, I'm sure some of you with TPMS wheels have added new rims and want to know what experiences you've had and if you've had any issues with TPMS being on all the time with your new wheels. Thanks for any help I get.

Today, I went to my local dearlership here at Fairfax Hyundai (Fairfax, VA), to have my sunvisor replaced under warranty. They notified me of a Hyundai Recall that went out this week for the brake switch in the Sonata. They informed me there is a possiblity the rear lights might malfunction and stop working. It was about a 10 minute wait longer to have them replace it.

Just an FYI, the guy said people should call into see if they are under this recall and letters should have gone out.

Hope this helps. Wouldn't want anyone to get rear-ended at night.

I'm installing an aux input to the back of the factory head unit of my '08 Sonata GLS and would like to route the cable to the small compartment just below the climate controls on the center panel. I've removed the trim strip so that I could get at the head unit --- this exposes two screws that hold the top edge of the center panel. I've removed these, but there seem to be other places where it is held in place. How can I get access to the rear of that compartment so that I can mount the aux in connector (a 3.5 mm stereo socket for an MP3 player)?

Thanks, Brian

my sonata makes a "squeaky" noise at low speeds i think under light throttle or while coasting. maybe when going faster but i didnt try. its louder when the window is down it sounds kinda like something spinning cause tis kinda repetitive i dont think its the brakes caues the sound goes away when i press the brakes. its like squeaksqueaksqueaksqueaksqueaksqueaksqueak
idk.

These won't fit the Sonata, but they're interesting. And very expensive. Click the link from Topic Preview. Made ya look!

Hey guys!

So my 06 sonata has hit a little over 60,000 miles now with no problems really. Except just recently. I find when I push the hazard light button nothing is working, and it also no longer lights up at me when i unlock and lock my doors. Probably on the same relay I'm guessing. Any ideas what it might be? I was thinking a fuse, but when I look at the fuse box, I couldn't determine which fuse it might be.

Well thanks to any and all with suggestions!

Matt

I have a 2006 Sonata with 50K miles and on the Driver side leather seat it an area that is really worn from getting in and out of the car. You can see the area as it really stands out as being worn.
My question is does the warranty cover this type of wear and tear as it goes beyond normal breakdown of the material. I would expect that the seat would not show this type of wear after 3.5 years and 50K of mileage. I would expect it maybe after 6 years 100K of normal wear and tear.

Thanks

David

Is anyone experiencing rear suspension noise in a new 2009 Ltd model. Mine since day one has a sound like the struts are worn out already over rough surfaces mainly from the rear of the vehicle. I have looked the internet over and have found similar complaints with Limited an GLS models but not so much for SE's with the stiffer suspension. It just sounds so cheap for this car. I actually picked this car after riding in one that rode so well and looked so good I had to have one. Now I don't know if I can live with this noise which I'm sure I will be told is normal when I take it in for the first time. I hope Hyundai comes out with a redisigned strut to address this problem or what ever part it takes.

Just bought an '06 Sonata last week. Loving it so far. Been doing quite a few little repairs here and there and this site has been a great help.

I replaced the fog lights as they were both burned out. Used the photo tutorial on here and came in through the bottom splash guard. Arms my look like I tried a suicide attempt but I got the job done.

Replaced the cabin air filter. This is the one that actually led me to find this place. The instructions in the manual are wrong.

Now moving on to paint chip repair and the mysterious esc/abs light that comes and goes once in a while. Going to look at http://www.drcolorchip.com/ that was recommended on one of the posts. It looks awesome.

Thats all I got. Thanks for all your great info on here.

-Tosh

after driving my 2007 sonata for around 10 minutes, there is a very high pitched squealing sound that is intermittent and stops when the brakes are tapped. I was told it may be due to a "brake sensor"??

Go figure, my car overheats while sitting in traffic when its 15 degrees out.
Soooo, I turned on the heat, pulled over, and left it running a little while.
A few minutes down the road it overheats again, same routine..again.

I'm just wondering. How far is TOO FAR when it comes to the [temp] needle hitting redline. The first one? second? is there a third? Should I expect explosions? How bad can the damage get from running it 'in the red' too long? Did I do the proper thing?


BTW, it's a real mess out there. I saw some guy skid right through a red light. LOL. FD is having a field day. Sequioa is a firefighter right? I'm glad he's not prying me off a curb somewhere.

Oooh, good day for anyone who owns a body shop, loll.

Oh yeah, car was running for 30-40 min tops.