I think this site has sales info on other markets as well, I think it's interesting to see where the SFS ranked in comparison to other makes. One surprise to me was how well the Ford Explorer sold. The Honda CR-V is way up there but the Acura RDX is way down.
January 2013 - Subaru Outback 8632, Kia Sorento 8005, Subaru Forester 6565, Hyundai Santa Fe 5991
So the old models of Subaru and Kia, all in need of a refresh, beat the all-new Santa Fe ?
WTF is Hyundai Korea diverting production resources away from the UK to satisfy "demand" in the US at these levels of sales - or is the diversion to Canada ?
Not surprised to see the Explorer selling that much, I used to not see them at all and now I see many of them per day. And it looks nice, if it wasn't too big for me, I would have gotten one of those instead of the SFS. I don't think the Edge looks as nice as the Explorer or SFS so that wasn't really an option for me.
IMO a lot of folks are waiting - and maybe prudently for the LWB model. I think the Sport will lose momentum once the LWB is widely available. And the new Subaru Forester is going to sell in numbers as well - a lot of people are factoring in mpg numbers when they make a buying decision, despite gas being relatively inexpensive in the US.
I was down to Explorer vs Santa Fe in the end. I liked Santa Fe's look slightly better and if I could do it again, I would have gone with Explorer. My brother in law's Explorer is rock solid whereas I have been having a lot of complaints about my Santa Fe.
Interesting. I too looked at the Explorer and liked the looks, inside and out. But when I drove it, I kept having to check the rear view to make sure I wasn't towing anything because it was so gutless. I mean really, my son and I got into our Highlander after the test drive, and I suddenly felt like I was driving a rocket compared to the Explorer. That was all it took...off my list. I would consider the new Explorer Sport, but have no desire to throw my money away at the fuel costs that would be associated with owning that vehicle.
I had it down to the Jeep Grand Cherokee and the Santa Fe. To this day, would still prefer the Jeep overall, but I felt like I wasn't doing the right thing, as the payments were higher, and the fuel was also about $100-$120 higher monthly for my driving habits, and less warranty. I've been getting a lot of compliments on it, and I am enjoying the car... but either one I felt was a good decision.
I had it down to the Jeep Grand Cherokee and the Santa Fe. To this day, would still prefer the Jeep overall, but I felt like I wasn't doing the right thing, as the payments were higher, and the fuel was also about $100-$120 higher monthly for my driving habits, and less warranty. I've been getting a lot of compliments on it, and I am enjoying the car... but either one I felt was a good decision.
yeah - but if that's from the guys in Sweden who did that test - the Chyrsler guys punched back - I think even the head honcho at Fiat threatened to sue - the Jeep supposedly had under inflated tires and was overload and the press guys who witnessed the test later admitted that.
Do a web search and it you might find the response - basically the test guys ended up eating humble pie - much as hyundai has had to do with their false mpg claims.
Not entirely true. Yes, the car was overloaded (by 150 lbs) but it was loaded to the spec that Chrysler gave in Sweden. They load all the other test cars to full capacity for this as well. Do you see any other vehicles do anything even close to that? As for tires - the Chrysler engineers confirmed that they had the pressure setup correctly based on the sticker.
Personally - minus the Wrangler every Jeep vehicle I've ever driven was a royal POS. Liberty handled OK but the backroom was incredibly crowded. Patriot made me fear for my life with its cornering.
Well what I read is that Chrysler sent it's engineers to Sweden and the test was run with properly inflated tires and not overloaded and the original results could not be replicated - the guys who did the testing admitted as much.
And in Germany the Grand Cherokee passed the test. So you can draw your own conclusions as to the validity of the original test.
The Liberty and Patriot have gotten almost uniformerly poor reviews - underpowered, small etc. However all the Grand Cherokee reviews I've seen were pretty good - but until recently they had poor reliability. I was with a friend of mine years back in a new Cherokee 30 miles on a rugged backcountry road when the clutch slave cylinder went out and the rest of the trip was made in 2nd gear - he had one problem after another and disgusted sold the thing.
The 2014 Grand Cherokee now has an 8 speed auto box - but it looked like it didn't help a whole lot with the fuel economy. But it is a fairly heavy vehicle with 9" of ground clearance and you can tow 5k lbs with it. In CO Grand Cherokees are hugely popular.
Feels like Hyundai is pulling back the deals (cash on the hood and interest rates) with the model refresh, and consumers are going elsewhere.
SF 2017 is a refresh and unless you are a forum hound like us, the typical consumer won't likely notice much of a difference 2016 vs 2017, except for higher pricing.
Hyundai announced added Santa Fe production capacity coming on stream this summer. Wonder how that is going to play into the decrease in sales YoY.
This article mentions that weak yen vs dollar is helping Japanese brands in the US, I also read another article saying Hyundai is having to spend more marketing $$ to attract customers.
And the business insider article mentions that HYundai "will adjust prices to compete with Japanese" . IMO their value proposition has diminished some as their vehicles became loaded with more pricey option packages.
This article mentions that weak yen vs dollar is helping Japanese brands in the US, I also read another article saying Hyundai is having to spend more marketing $$ to attract customers.
And the business insider article mentions that HYundai "will adjust prices to compete with Japanese" . IMO their value proposition has diminished some as their vehicles became loaded with more pricey option packages.
Interesting. I have noticed a LOT of Hyundai ads in the past two years (Thank God they did away with that "No <BEEEEP> WAY!" commercial! )
Let's hope they don't do what Toyota did and be in such a rush to increrase market share that the cars and the customers suffer.
In the past ANY problem with a Toyota was made right. But then, few Toyotas had problems. In the rush to beat out GM the cars suffered, and they also dropped service a notch...or three.
From some of the complaints people have been having here about warranty claim, I'd say Hyundai may be on the path to following the Toyota model. At least, for the most part, the cars haven't suffered...yet...
BTW...the ad campaigns worked...I left Toyota and bought a Hyundai, albeit not new.
I decided it was time for a change, and my '09 Accent is built far better than my '05 Scion.
The eighth straight quarterly profit decline comes as sedans like the midsize Sonata--which the company has aggressively marketed for years--fall out of favor with consumers who prefer larger sport-utility vehicles and light trucks that have become cheaper to drive as fuel prices fall.
THis will change in a little while and all the SUV drivers will start whining about selling their efficient cars and blaming the government for not doing something...
Well the article says consumers are opting for SUVS over sedans, but buyers appear to be shifting away in recent months from the Sante Fe, maybe some of it is due to waiting on refreshed 2017 model but some of it I would think is from increased competition - Highlander, Edge, Murano BMWX3 and even the Toyota 4runner sales are showing healthy increases.
Tuscon is selling well which may have taken some potential SFS buyers . But I still think Sorrento and Sante Fe are hitting the upper price limits for the brand.
In the US April sales figures for the Sante Fe show another steep (29%) decline from 2015, with ytd nos down 33% from last year, the KIA Sportage is now outselling the SF. There was an article in Jan from Hyundai indicating a plant in Alabama would be building more Sante Fes because Sonata sales were declining - but Sonata sales are increasing by 22% in 2016.
Has the Sante Fe lost it's appeal owing to newer competing models in this segment ? My source for sales nos. is good car bad car - which doesn't breakout SFS from LWB, so can't tell which variant is seeing the most declining nos.
Check sales for larger/US made SUVs. A lot of people only buy foreign when gas prices are high, coming back to larger US made vehicles when gas prices diminish.
Of course, then they start crying when fuel prices rise again...
sure some have shifted to trucks and larger SUVS, but here the top 20 SUVs and many are in the segment Sante Fe competes in, but the SF numbers are down more significantly than other competing models. I don't see many of the LWB models, a lot more Sorrentos Hylanders and Pilots.
The mid sized suv is what everyone wants now. But the price has jumped about $2,000.00 from my 2015 SFS Ultimate 2.0T. The 2017 has more advanced tech, but I would not spent the difference. The price jump has opened up the market to more choices in this price range. Hyundai is near the top of the price range. For $42,000.00 plus I would have to look at other brands. Not such a good value now.My 2015 SFS was around 39,000.00. Now prices are going through the roof. I looked at a Jeep that was $50,000.00 a Kia that was $45,000.00. People will find a smaller SUV to get a price they can afford. Here at the dealer I work at we are getting a new midsize Buick SUV. The first models in from China will all be priced at about $46,000.00. People may be backing off of the Santa Fe because of the price that new vehicles are selling at.
The mid sized suv is what everyone wants now. But the price has jumped about $2,000.00 from my 2015 SFS Ultimate 2.0T. The 2017 has more advanced tech, but I would not spent the difference. The price jump has opened up the market to more choices in this price range. Hyundai is near the top of the price range. For $42,000.00 plus I would have to look at other brands. Not such a good value now.My 2015 SFS was around 39,000.00. Now prices are going through the roof. I looked at a Jeep that was $50,000.00 a Kia that was $45,000.00. People will find a smaller SUV to get a price they can afford. Here at the dealer I work at we are getting a new midsize Buick SUV. The first models in from China will all be priced at about $46,000.00. People may be backing off of the Santa Fe because of the price that new vehicle.
Noticed you work at a Buick dealer, can you get a good discount on the 2017 Enclave:
"This future car will come with a very outstanding performance. 2017 Buick Enclave will come with a 3.6-liter turbocharged engine Twin Turbo V-6 that produces 420 horsepower and 430 lb-ft of torque. It will be optional engine",
Couldn't agree with you more. A lot of people will and are choosing other vehicles at those price points and some will say - over $40k for a Hyundai is just too much. I also think that perhaps the exterior design has reached some limits as far as market penetration.
Once the Alabama plant starts cranking out more Sante Fes - if Hyundai stays with that plan, I'd expect to see some form of decrease to MSRP combined with other forms of incentives to move the vehicles.
$46,000 for a Chinese built Buick? THAT'S A LMAO BAD IDEA!!! Only Buick could shoot themselves in the head like this and still forget to fall down and die.
Dtech... Why'd you buy a Hyundai SF again? You sure like doggin 'em.
Well it's good that someone mentioned Buick - because if the current sales trend continues the Buick Encore will soon be outselling the combined Santa Fe - the LWB and the SFS . Now that's the Encore, that little meagerly powered breadbox that is easily mistook for a Smart car, it's an Opel design and interestingly is built in S Korea as well as Mexico and Spain. Good Car Bad Car April sales figures below.
#33 Hyundai Santa Fe 24,367 36,460 -33.2% 7,150 10,054 -28.9% #34 Buick Encore 23,808 19,623 21.3% 6,589 5,587 17.9
So the Hyundai was purchased for three primary reasons :
- Turbo engine, I've driven turbo charged cars since the 80s
- Fuel Efficiency, Hyundai AWD 2.0T was EPA rated at 21/27 when purchased but that changed just 4 days after the purchase
- It's primarily wife's daily driver and she likes the heated steering wheel, pano roof.
All in all it's a decent vehicle, been completely trouble free. And in 2013 the price for then top of the line model was under $33k and I would argue a better value than the currently priced models.
But the decline in sales numbers has been precipitous in recent months, at one point a few years back the Santa Fe models were consistently in the top 20 in US SUV/CUV sales, perhaps ranking as low as no 14.
I've got to hand it to you dtech, you know your numbers. But whether a Porsche outsells a Hyundai, or whether either's sales are trending up or down for the past quarter, I still want the Porsche. The Buick however is a puzzle. It's FUGLY like a pug dog on wheels.
SF sales might be easier to explain. Yesterday I sat in a new 2016 SF and could not see a single difference between my 2013 built in 2012 and the new higher priced 2016 model. The exterior is about the same too. The Kumho tires (sp?) looked cheap compared to my Continentals and didn't help sway me either. If I were a buyer I'd wait or look elsewhere. Maybe I'll pre-order a Chinese Buick. Yeah, like when h-ll freezes over.
The numbers are just from the monthly good car bad car site, which I usually take a look at each month. I think Buick finally scored a bulls eye with their targeted marketing for the Encore.
I and I tend to be believe a lot of Hyundai owners are value oriented buyers - and as you point out checking out the 2016 SFS maybe with the current pricing the value prop is now not quite as strong as in the past.
For $35k or less you can get into a F-150, Silverado or Ram and today's pickups are surprisingly quiet, handle decently, get respectable fuel economy and hold their value better than most CUVs. By the sales numbers looks like a lot of consumers and going that route. Same deal though with SUVs when you load then up with options the price can push $50k.
The purpose of my post was to see what others might think is causing the Sante Fe's decrease in sales numbers - my thoughts are around pricing, increased competition in the segment and to some extent the exterior styling which might be less appealing to some buyers. I suspect the LWB model may be seeing the most decline in sales. And Tuscon sales are probably pulling buyers away from the SFS.
The Buick Encore sales are surprising - compared to the SFS it's much smaller, much less powerful and not a whole lot less expensive.
But...it just looks cool! I don't see very many around here, but I had to go to upstate NY (Adirondacks) and saw so many of them I thought it was an invasion! and couldn't help thinking what a cool looking SUV/cross!
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